Alex Jones - Trustworthy? Think Again

I really would enjoy seeing the term conspiracy-factuals instead of theorists. Somehow the words Conspire and Theory got uncleaned by the brain-washers. It is most upsetting to present documented fact with multiple sources to a peer and if the truth spoken is too uncomfortable, the peer merely assassinates your character by giving you a label "CT".

I liked the metaphor that Alex Jones once painted in which trying to wake people up about the NWO is like trying to snap people out of a trance inside a burning house. Its obvious that the house is burning but this trance-like state of mind the soon to be victims carry is nearly impossible de-condition.

Its truly a crying shame that after 6 years there hasnt been a grandjury probe into possible criminal wrongdoings pertaining to 9-11; and to the contrary,..this regime funds billions into big brother and the military industrial complex to probe joe american.

well the thing is you can't fully trust anyone everyone has their own motives. I just say listen to everything and let common sense take over... if your one of the people with common sense these days

So what if Alex's prediction didnt come true, thats just proves that he is not a phycic he is right about something there will be another 9/11 incident I know no one here will tell me I am wrong

I lahv Alex Jones.


David Icke is the tool in the shed.

I hate to state the painfully obvious (hopefully you would have figured this out by now), but Alex Jones does not know the future. How is he supposed to know when exact dates are to occur? I don't buy his stuff, but I have seen his 9/11 videos. They are very, very informative.

The other day I was listening to Alex's show, and he came right out and asked people to send him money. "Write me a check" he said.

Now I know it takes money to run his operation, but coming right out and asking for a check kinda strikes me as cheesy. As a rule of thumb, if someone I don't know asks me for money, I immediately think "scam", and that makes me look at his work with some suspicion.
Fear has long been known to pay large dividends. Look at the Catholic church as an example: pay me, or be damned to hell for all eternity. Could Alex be trying to scare people into giving him money to "continue his crusade"? After all, if he can't "wake enough people up", the NWO will throw us in concentration camps and systematically execute us.

He still makes a lot of good points, but should stop asking for people to send him money.

Originally posted by Order Out Of Chaos
Alex doesn't care, or didn't care about what people thought about him, thats what made him unique at one time. But why would he call the likes of David Icke nuts?, when they are on the same journey as him supposedly.

Personally i found David Icke's "Children of the matrix" extremely interesting and a great read but i can understand how many people are not ready to consider what he has to say. You only have to know were David stands on the Religion issues ( The major religions are all completely fabricated according to him) to know why a Christian like Alex Jones can not afford to take him seriously... We all need something to cling to, while we fight a very obvious evil, and apparently Alex Jones still needs his religion and the founding fathers as foundation for his strength .

I have downloaded a lot of interviews ( in Mp3 format) Alex held with various people and i was VERY angry, and so disappointed that i had to stop listening on three occasions, after hearing what he had to say about Noam Chomsky after the interview. In fact if he wants to call people childish names and label them as disinfo agents despite them spreading awareness of American government atrocity before his birth he probably deserves to be called so in return despite all the absolutely great and illuminating work he has done.

As to your first point Alex do care what people say about him and that's why he sticks to things that he can prove and substantiate in a very detailed fashion; the fact that they sounded so outlandish to most people in the early 90's did not make them any less true and Alex new that at the time.

Stellar

Alex Jones is a great man, one day you may find you have to thank him. lets not forget what happened in Waco TX in 1993.

Many people believe that David Koresh (or the Branch Davidians) were responsible for the deaths of the 74 men, women and children who died in the inferno at Waco on April 19, 1993. This is the story that the FBI put out. It is a lie. The guns they had were legal. The local sheriff investigated and found no basis for complaints against them. These were law-abiding American citizens, even if they thought differently to most other folks. They trusted the U.S. Constitution to ensure their political rights, but they were murdered by agents acting under the authority of the U.S. government..
Waco occurred under the presidency of Bill Clinton, with Janet Reno and Wesley Clark in supporting roles. Already back in 1993 the US government demonstrated its contempt for the American people by carrying out a massacre in order to "demonstrate" (on prime time TV) its supposed "authority" (a tactic favored by fascist governments). Following the usurpation of the presidency in 2000 by the psychopath George W. Bush, and the subsequent installation of the insane John Ashcroft as Bush's Himmler, things became much worse. On 9/11 about forty times as many people were murdered as at Waco. In both cases the murderers have so far gone unpunished.
Few Americans realize that on February 28, 1993 when BATF agents in National Guard helicopters zoomed in on the Branch Davidians' church and home, Mount Carmel Center, they did so with guns blazing, like Americans raiding a Vietnamese village in that far off war. ... It is likely FBI agents deliberately sabotaged negotiations with Davidians to prevent their exiting Mount Carmel. Their goal was to destroy the building and its damaging evidence, even if that meant the massacre of dozens of men, women and children, all witnesses to the brutal attack.

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[edit on 22/12/2006 by Mirthful Me]

Actually your wrong butt head, if you can’t see what’s really going on then its time you take a wakeup pill or get off the sleeping pills your currently on, do you ever watch the news, read and listen or more importantly have the ability to think on your own without the influence of others?

BTW I am NOT talking about mainstream media news, that’s nothing more then eye candy for the mindless, pathetic, morons, take a look at the Media after the Kennedy Assassination, Pearl Harbor, Oklahoma Bombing and now the 911 attack, during the Kennedy incident, the media for 2 solid months afterwards showed us time and time again Lee Harvey Oswald as the killer , over and over and over again, now if they knew that soon afterwards within what 30 minutes….. that Lee Harvey Oswald was actually the one that shot and killed JFK then your can bet your sweat ass they knew enough before the shooting to be able to stop it, instead they did nothing but help it along, I was not their so therefore I can not say for sure, but if you ask me it was the Illuminati that killed JFK, in fact there are over 100 leads and documents that point to George Bush (father) that headed up the whole assassination plan.

The media did the same thing with all the other major atrocities, Pearl Harbor, Oklahoma Bombing, and more recent the 911 attacks, the most blatant lie of the decade, as for the Plane that supposedly crashed in PA on 911, there is not one stick of evidence of a plane part, no blood, no bodies, no nothing other then a big hole in the ground that looks like somebody dumped a pile of junk in to the hole, but yet in NYC with the falling of 2-110 story buildings that were pulverized into dust, they were able to some act of magic find a passport of one of the supposedly highjackers…… yea… right…….OK, Think again and wake up dude, I don’t know where your mind is, but honestly you have a better chance of seeing god then what their trying to sell us as to what happened as being true, it’s a joke, I thank god there are so many that think this whole thing is a fraud of the worst kind, if everyone thought like you I suppose we would not be in this mess as that would only mean one thing, they already have control… so put that in your crack pipe and smoke it.

Do not get me wrong here, there are many conspiracy theories that are not worth the paper their written on, but there are a thousand more that are no longer considered conspiracies but fact by some very prominent men in high power, if your smart enough, you can even learn to read between the lines and figure it all out all you own, (apply within)

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Benefits: you get to stay alive, freedom.

I am sure none of us on here are trying to harm you but only help you understand, but seriously you need to wake up and think on your own.

I am sure there has been a time when you have asked someone a question and their response is, I don’t Know, well the truth of the matter is we always know, just like we always know the truth, Ill share with you my Elephant story…..

Let’s say as a Christmas present I give to you an Elephant as a pet (unlikely) but for sake of this story I gave you a pet elephant, his name, Leroy….. So Leroy is a baby weighing in at say 200lbs, you can’t very well keep an elephant in your house so you have him tied up outside, to be safe you use a Big Chain to tie up Leroy to a tree, the links on this chain are huge 1” think steel welded links holding Leroy to the tree so he does not escape……….. Years pass…

Leroy is now full grown and now weighs in at 2500lbs fairly average for an elephant, but Leroy is still chained to the tree with the same huge 1” thick welded chain links, Leroy’s whole life he has been chained to this tree unable to escape, point of fact…… you could now tie up Leroy with a single thread and Leroy could simply move his foot, break the thread and walk away…. Or could he, remember Leroy has no other experience other then being tied to this tree knowing full well he can not escape the confines of being tied, all Leroy knows is that he’s been tied his whole like, Leroy has no other experience in life other then being tied to this tree and he knows or at least thinks….. he can not escape, no matter what it is that he is tied up with, the point to this story is to say we can never know more then what we are taught in life, if we are never taught or learn then we simply can never know.

This is the same theories the media plays on you, if they tell you something so much over and over and over, after a while the truth becomes distorted, but if this is all you know then pity the fool

I think there will be a nuclear attack or something as bad man made natural disaster??
anyways once it goes down...
welcome to the NWO
do i trust alex jones no for the simple fact i dont know him
do i listen to what he has to say yes


[edit on 10-12-2006 by CYRAX]

Originally posted by Order Out Of Chaos
When you have studied, and i mean studied, the evidence to suggest their maybe be alien intervention at work behind the scenes, determining the future of our planet, you would not be considered retarded.

Unless one can easily accept that the goings on at Bohemian grove ( and the history of such cults going back thousands of years to Babylon and beyond) is just a 'natural' type of thing for the world's leaders to be involved one has every right to suspicious. Why should grown men want to watch ceremonies involving the burning of effigies that are about as large as your average baby or small child? David Icke might reach conclusions that few people may yet choose to consider but Alex Jones can PROVE to you that the current leaders of the world are at best a Satanic bunch of would be ( and sometimes have been) genocidal mass murderers. It's well documented and it's no longer hard to defend the evidence proving their criminal, if not outright evil, intent with respect to the future of humanity.

When you look at that evidence again you do have to wonder why Jones' will not talk about this subject, infact he goes as far as to ridicule others with that oppinion.

Alex is human ( well i for one think so ) and thus have his flaws and can thus not currently accept that shape shifting reptilians are in fact possibly behind this all. That has not stopped him from going on radio with Jeff Rense and others telling people that the leaders of the world are a Satanic cult bent on destroying humanity and killing billions in the process which is very hard to reconcile with his belief that a Christian God created this world and still controls the destiny of humanity. If one looks at the Christian ( Alex is a Christian) description of the devil one frequently comes across serpents and reptilian figures and if one looks at symbolism of the cults currently in power it's hard not to wonder why they are still using such.

No one is asking Jones to accept reptiles rule the world,

It seems that you are?

its the fact he won't even consider the possibility, confirms to me that he's a bogey.

I think you are overly harsh as in his mind he has always been 'credible' and thus not a 'crazy' like Icke. Alex seems to believe that his views will sooner rather than later become the main stream view and that he could be a true leader in the political sense as the founding father of old. I think he focuses his energy on what can be proved without a doubt so that people may believe him without having to do the research , due to his apparent credibility, and while i do not agree with this type of strategy i have sympathy for it and will openly say that few Americans are doing better work to inform their fellow countrymen about their future plight.. How many people truly do not care what others think of them?

I have not heard Alex openly say that he has not considered the main tenants of Icke's claims to have some validity ( they agree that a very evil and ancient cult like movement is beyond much of what we see happening in the world) even if he can not accept ALL the claims. I have listened to the interview Alex had with Icke and they were agreeing far far more than disagreeing and Alex certainly treated Icke with more respect than he did Chomsky and that proves to me that Alex is just having e a hard time dealing with what he knows he should consider...

Every investigator no matter how insightful wants to believe certain things about the world to give him some comfort if not strength and if that is were Alex currently draws the line in PUBLIC ( do we really knows what he allows himself to consider in private?) it does not make sense for me to question his integrity in general especially so because he does not rely on my belief in him but on my investigation of the documentation he provides.

Stellar

Let me add to the notion of people saying Alex is bad/(insert slander here) because he made a bad prediciton on the future. MANY people were saying what Alex was predicting INCLUDING Ray McGovern. That in itself offers all the credibility you need in terms of an educated guess. It WAS educated. Did it happen? No it did not. Could it have? You bet your desert it could have.

If you disprove the NWO and are antagonistic to the notion, I have one word for you: ok.

Waking up idiots and people so mentally boxed in is a waste of time. Wake up those that are willing to have an open mind with the topic. Funny, this whole concept was shown to me through a religion I practice- it's great advice.



The biggest reason it is so hard to wake people up is very simple if you just look at it for a second...

THE NWO HAS BEEN WORKING FOR 100-200 years (depending on what information is brought up/who you talk to) to install this plan. If you study closely the works of Henry Makow, Phd. (www.savethemales.ca) you will see all the points of interest the NWO globalists have tried in their attempt to destroy the people before the NWO push. LOOK people. Don't figure- LOOK. Jump out of your problems for a second, and just observe it for what it is; face value.

Why is all of this horrible stuff going on now... and not 60 or even 100 years ago to this extreme we see now? How come the big push by the globalists is going on now?

Because the majority of people are so boxed in mentally, brainwashed, and don't value the right way of living AND MOST WON'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT AND WON'T STOP THE TREND FROM CONTINUING

Go ahead, compile a list of why this is true. You'll be very suprised how many ways the NWO has done this by the time you get to page two of your list.

The whole debate of wether the NWO exists, the police state, WWIII and the NWO needs to stop here. There is no debate. Study the facts presented, and if you still disagree- you are a burden to society. You disagreeing with that shows your flaw.

Alex Jones is a good man, who should be recognized as a hero one day. If there ever is a Patriot Day declared as a national Holiday... Alex Jones's name should be at the top, or damn near close to the top of the list read on that day. Give the man respect, he is doing what none of us choose to do, and what many of us can't bring ourselves to do- actively fight suppression of the masses.

But guess what, no matter how hard the globalists try to censer the internet (since it IS the last form of free speech available and IS the number one nail in their foot)... they will never win. They could kill everyone on this board, and then twice as many would spring up. You can kill Alex, and then two more will spring up. You can censor and try and fight but at the end of the day truth prevails and lies are exposed. This is a fact.



[edit on 15-12-2006 by jaguarmike]

I invite to watch this 7 minute video, if you think you can debunk this, then try as you may, but when you came back with an excuse as to how these things are possible, we will then know your too brainwashed to see the truth, honestly as I have said all along, non of us know with certainty what happened on 911, not you, not me, not anyone but those that did this.

But I demand that we find out, you can hide behind lies, be scared to face the realities or you can fight for what’s right, the thing I fear is that it will take a nation to fight this battle no matter who done it but the truth must without hesitation be known and those responsible must be charged.

We can send men to the moon, we are the most powerful nation in the free world, but yet some how, perhaps though some kind of magical force unbeknown to any of us, we can't find Osama…… Oh please…. wake up people, stop hiding behind your nice little life styles with your nice little car and your comfy little homes, it is only by getting together that we can find the truth, apart we only have more chaos, we can agree to disagree all day long but in the end we still have questions on both sides of the fence, however, only one side can be right, it's time to get to the bottom of this once and for all and find out for sure what happend on this dreadful day, and then find and kill the bastards that did this horrible act , who ever they are they need to pay.

Watch this little video, take seven minutes of your time and watch it and then get back to us and tell us how you think the answers that we have been given by our federal government pan out, or if we still have legitimate concerns/questions, personally I think the 911 commission report is the biggest joke of all, to many unanswered questions, otherwise non of us would be here, this web site would not have been made and we would not be having this conversation, but I assure this something is terribly wrong.

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[edit on 22-12-2006 by matt2112]

Originally posted by doctorfungi
According to Alex Jones the United States should currently be under Marshall Law after being nuked by its own government. He said this will happen before the end of October.

He also mentioned that this was his second ever prediction and his first and only one was 100% correct. I beg to differ.

Alex predicted millennial havoc, but none occurred.

"This is only the beginning. In the next few years, in this second phase--the period of escalating violence. They're gonna allow limited nuclear exchanges." "There's going to be more. This is only the kickoff." (9/13/01)

"Within 2 years I'm predicting...that you're going to see a suitcase nuke in this country. You're probably going to see a release in a few years of something communicable. & I am predicting that you will see a lot of conventional bombings...in the next year or so." (10/18/01)

"I'm telling you now...there's a very good chance there gonna blow something up overseas or here." "The evidence is all tilting toward...blowing up a building. They're really setting us up for a smallpox attack." Chemical attacks are "almost a guarantee in the next six months or so." (9/26/02)

"They're preparing for new terrorist attacks that are much larger. & they're planning to bring in foreign armies....The U.S. government is going to engage in large terrorist attacks domestically & probably internationally...They may kill millions of Americans." There was going to be a nuclear release in Iraq, an international depression, formation of a world government, probably a nuclear release in Iraq, an international depression, a world government formed. Also, "They may kill millions of Americans." (7/11/02)

They're going to blow more stuff up.
(4/13/04)

"I predict Arnold is gonna save children at a school shooting, or there'll be some type of bombing, & he will land by helicopter & run in & direct things. I predict it....I see it all aligning. I see it all coming together. I see their plan, clear as day....He'll fly in & things will be burninig & he'll run into it & save someone." [circa March of 2005. Kinda proves Alex is living a fantasy, doesn't it?]

Alex also said (several times) they were going to roll out Osama bin Laden "on ice" before the 2004 election.

Alex said they were going to blow up Washington DC before the election.

Alex said Saddam Hussein had been taken to Cuba.

And in under 48 hours the month of October 2006 will be a matter of the past. So where is this massive nuclear attack he predicted? No where. Why? Because this guy is trying to make money by selling you garbage.

It's simple business. Say something that will raise alarms in peoples heads, get your name out and sell some product. The guy has a collection of Books, DVD's, T-Shirts and other apparel and all he's doing is playing on the fears of people to earn money.

So I ask you this. Will you believe the next prediction Alex Jones makes? It would seem to me that if anyone here is a 'sheep'. It's you guys for blindly following this poor excuse for a human being.

This is such a baseless accusation (sp?) ..

If I told you not to walk towards the light you see when your walking in the mountains you'll avoid walking carelessly over the edge of a cliff..

If people don't make predictions that are semi-accurate then nothing will be done to prevent it. What is the purpose of predictions? to just observe horrible things and not prevent them? ... pre-vent - pre-dictions.

When Alex Jones spoke of the impending attacks in the fall of 2006, he made a very clear condition to his "prediction" that these attacks would likely happen unless we get the word out and make it so public that the NWO could not get away with them.

I do not worship any man. I believe we need to focus our energy on the issues and not the messengers. Ideas and ideals are much more important than idols. Yet, there seems to be a lot of hero worship in the USA. I feel this is very dangerous.

There are very few people today as effective as Alex Jones at getting the truth out. I have checked out a lot of the information he provides to the people for myself and it has a history of evidence behind it. In any event, I do not see how getting one or two or even ten "predictions" wrong makes someone "untrustworthy". You seem unable to speak to the information Alex and his staff provide about the NWO.

This is critical. We need to be aware of that the NWO employs agents to attack the patriotic citizens defending the republic personally because they cannot address the evidence they provide to the public.

The people are waking up at a record rate. We have learned the basics of logic and debate and are not fooled by those trolling for emotional reactionism. The only question is, will be in time to save what remains of our respective nations. The race is on.

Originally posted by hilary_155
I do not worship any man. I believe we need to focus our energy on the issues and not the messengers. Ideas and ideals are much more important than idols. Yet, there seems to be a lot of hero worship in the USA. I feel this is very dangerous.

You make a great point. It is dangerous to put people on pedestals, and even more dangerous to put a position, such as president, on a pedestal.
Because, as has happened, if that position is taken by someone who's interest lies not with the common man and the good of all, then we get what we've got right now. All through history you see this happen.
People need to realise that that is how they get away with events like 9-11, cause most ppl don't have the insight to go against all that's been indoctrinated into them through school, work and media.

Our present leaders are no different than the lords (land owners) of years ago, controlling the serfs (us).

hey guys im new to all this nwo stuff and still in the wtf is all this stage lol.

but i am curious to know what alex had to say about david icke seeing as they are on the same level.

to the original post. you fool...anyone can look at aj's info and see it is 110% prven. he backs every bit of info up with proof and is fighting to keep america and the rest of the world out of this one world government.

although looking at it with an open mind could leave one to believe he is a reptilian alien from the lower 4th dimension. but i completely back aj and you should too!!

as david icke says,

"todays mighty oak is only yesturdays nut that held its ground."

haha love that quote.

I would not be at all surprised if it came out that Alex Jones was CIA. I'm leaning towards the great possibility that he is a disinfo agent. Spewing out some bogus claims, some true calims, just to muck everything up and conceal the true motivations of this NWO. G8 should be looked at a little further IMO.

[edit on 3-1-2007 by QuasiShaman]

I would not be at all surprised if it came out that Alex Jones was CIA. I'm leaning towards the great possibility that he is a disinfo agent. Spewing out some bogus claims, some true calims, just to muck everything up and conceal the true motivations of this NWO. G8 should be looked at a little further IMO.

Are you joking? You're saying that the CIA has an undercover agent, specifically for the purpose of showing the lies in the CIA and the government. Oh yea, the CIA also pays a man to reveal their secrets that they also pay to cover up.

Sorry buddy, that just doesn't add up.

Alex Jones never said to believe him, he said to study it yourself.

If you believe his revealings are BS, then think what you will. But to me, there are very obvious workings among the elite and the government that he has revealed. Now those obvious workings that we all know of if we look hard enough, is enough to prove to me that there are other workings that are not so obvious, but are true.

i am with aj all the way but if we close our minds to every possibility we are no better than extremest people supporting bush. after all michael moore appeared to be fighting for the cause but only white washed the whole deal.

can someone tell me aj's views on david icke?