Bush authorizes martial law

Originally posted by drcreamcheese
If you weren't scared already, you should be now:

politics.slashdot.org...

First habeus corpus, now this:

"President Bush has signed into law a provision which, according to Senator Patrick Leahy (D-Vermont), will actually encourage the President to declare federal martial law. It does so by revising the Insurrection Act, a set of laws that limits the President's ability to deploy troops within the United States. The Insurrection Act (10 U.S.C.331 -335) has historically, along with the Posse Comitatus Act (18 U.S.C.1385), helped to enforce strict prohibitions on military involvement in domestic law enforcement. With one cloaked swipe of his pen, Bush is seeking to undo those prohibitions."

(3) HEADING AMENDMENT.--The heading of chapter 15 of
such title is amended to read as follows:
``CHAPTER 15--ENFORCEMENT OF THE LAWS TO
RESTORE PUBLIC ORDER''.
(4) CLERICAL AMENDMENTS.--(A) The tables of chapters
at the beginning of subtitle A of title 10, United States Code,
and at the beginning of part I of such subtitle, are each
amended by striking the item relating to chapter 15 and
inserting the following new item:
``15 Enforcement of the Laws to Restore Public Order ....................................... 331''.
(B) The table of sections at the beginning of chapter 15
of such title is amended by striking the item relating to sections
333 and inserting the following new item:
``333. Major public emergencies; interference with State and Federal law.''.
(b) PROVISION OF SUPPLIES, SERVICES, AND EQUIPMENT.--
(1) IN GENERAL.--Chapter 152 of such title is amended
by adding at the end the following new section:
`` 2567. Supplies, services, and equipment: provision in major
public emergencies
``(a) PROVISION AUTHORIZED.--In any situation in which the
President determines to exercise the authority in section
333(a)(1)(A) of this title, the President may direct the Secretary
of Defense to provide supplies, services, and equipment to persons
affected by the situation.
``(b) COVERED SUPPLIES, SERVICES, AND EQUIPMENT.--The sup-
plies, services, and equipment provided under this section may
include food, water, utilities, bedding, transportation, tentage,
search and rescue, medical care, minor repairs, the removal of
debris, and other assistance necessary for the immediate preserva-
tion of life and property.
``(c) LIMITATIONS.--(1) Supplies, services, and equipment may
be provided under this section--
``(A) only to the extent that the constituted authorities
of the State or possession concerned are unable to provide
such supplies, services, and equipment, as the case may be;
and ``(B) only until such authorities, or other departments or
agencies of the United States charged with the provision of
such supplies, services, and equipment, are able to provide
such supplies, services, and equipment.
H. R. 5122--324

For the people of Iraq and the residents of Baghdad that curtain has already fallen.

SEC. 1076. USE OF THE ARMED FORCES IN MAJOR PUBLIC EMER-
GENCIES.
(a) USE OF THE ARMED FORCES AUTHORIZED.--
(1) IN GENERAL.--Section 333 of title 10, United States
Code, is amended to read as follows:
`` 333. Major public emergencies; interference with State and
Federal law
``(a) USE OF ARMED FORCES IN MAJOR PUBLIC EMERGENCIES.--
(1) The President may employ the armed forces, including the
National Guard in Federal service, to--
``(A) restore public order and enforce the laws of the United
States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or
other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or
incident, or other condition in any State or possession of the
United States, the President determines that--
``(i) domestic violence has occurred to such an extent
that the constituted authorities of the State or possession
are incapable of maintaining public order; and
``(ii) such violence results in a condition described in
paragraph (2); or
``(B) suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic
violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy if such insurrec-
tion, violation, combination, or conspiracy results in a condition
described in paragraph (2).
``(2) A condition described in this paragraph is a condition
that-- ``(A) so hinders the execution of the laws of a State or
possession, as applicable, and of the United States within that
State or possession, that any part or class of its people is
deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named
in the Constitution and secured by law, and the constituted
authorities of that State or possession are unable, fail, or refuse
to protect that right, privilege, or immunity, or to give that
protection; or
H. R. 5122--323

``(B) opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the
United States or impedes the course of justice under those
laws.
``(3) In any situation covered by paragraph (1)(B), the State
shall be considered to have denied the equal protection of the
laws secured by the Constitution.

Welcome to the NWO baby!!!!!!!Yea I love my rights swepted away by pen on a daily basis Keep on voting those GOP's and Dem's into office people! Can't wait to play a full live simulator of Escape from New York!!! ROCK ON!

Originally posted by Waiting2awake
While some(Not many) Governments thought Saddam "might" have WMDs,

Define "some" and "many" for me.

they all agreed that using force was not the best way of going about it.

I believe currently there are somewhere around 34 nations are contributing to the coaition forces with personnel in Iraq.

Every nation wanted to wait until the UN inspectors finished their job's, the UN agreed, and the US said "You are either with us or against us" -

The "with us or against us speech' was made very early after 9/11/01. The war in Iraq started March 2003.

www.globalsecurity.org...

Originally posted by darkbluesky

Originally posted by Waiting2awake
While some(Not many) Governments thought Saddam "might" have WMDs,

Define "some" and "many" for me.

- For this purpose, would it be enough to define "some" and "many" as not the "all" that was originally stated. Such as, not all nations thought that Saddam had WMD's. Some did, the US and Britian for two. Some did not - Canada, for sure. Most of the nations I remember at the time were on the side of "Let the UN inspectors finish", and thus weren't really saying whether they beleived he had WMD's or not. Make sense?

Originally posted by darkbluesky

they all agreed that using force was not the best way of going about it.

I believe currently there are somewhere around 34 nations are contributing to the coaition forces with personnel in Iraq.

- Ahh yes, shall we go through this list of countries that beleived so strongly that they heeded the US's call? After go through such noteraries as Lativia, Georgia, Poland, all the way to Armania and El Salvador. Some were bribed, some where threatened. All were coherced. As I have said, that should tell you how much of a threat Saddam was thought of by the world.

Originally posted by darkbluesky

Every nation wanted to wait until the UN inspectors finished their job's, the UN agreed, and the US said "You are either with us or against us" -

The "with us or against us speech' was made very early after 9/11/01. The war in Iraq started March 2003.

www.globalsecurity.org...

- Maybe that was the first time those words were used, however it is the entire climate of dealing with the US, which persists today. Since it persists today, it is illogical for you to assume that for some brief moment the US changed it's M.O.

Martial Law As Defined By Wikipedia.

Martial law is the system of rules that takes effect (usually after a formal declaration) when a military authority takes control of the normal administration of justice.

Usually martial law reduces some of the personal rights ordinarily granted to the citizen, limits the length of the trial processes, and prescribes more severe penalties than ordinary law. In many countries martial law prescribes the death penalty for certain crimes, even if ordinary law does not contain that crime or punishment in its system.

Originally martial law was imposed during wars or occupations to let the government control population more effectively in spite of hightened unrest. Nowadays it is most commonly used by authoritarian governments to enforce their rule, for example after coup d'état (Thailand 2006), when threatened by popular protests (PRC 1989), or to crack down on the opposition (Poland 1981). Martial law can also be declared in cases of major natural disasters, however most countries use a different legal construct like "state of emergency".

Martial law is used to quell civil unrest, to enforce laws during a disaster, or to be used in a nation crisis. Martial Law comes in two diferent ways, and those are this. 1. Complete Martial Law, which means just about every single right given to you by your government is taken away. This includes but does not excluded the right to bear arms. When this happens, all citizens will be regarded as enemies of the state.
2. State of Emergency - This means that any travel and non-essential things are to be put on hold until the emergency declaration is lifted. A state of emergency declaration can be in effect until a situation is over or it is safe to return to normal, everyday business. If a nationwide declaration goes into effect, all modes of transportation will be taken over. This includes private vehicles, such as personal vehicles, trains, buses, trucks, and most if not all aircraft.


Habeas Corpus define by Wikipedia

Habeas Corpus is the name of a legal instrument or writ by means of which detainees can seek release from unlawful imprisonment. A writ of habeas corpus is a court order addressed to a prison official (or other custodian) ordering that a detainee be brought to the court so it can be determined whether or not that person is imprisoned lawfully and whether or not he or she should be released from custody. The writ of habeas corpus in common law countries is an important instrument for the safeguarding of individual freedom against arbitrary state action.

The concept of Martial Law here in the United States is closely tied with the Writ of Habeas Corpus. Habeas Corpus basically means that no citizen of the United States shall be held without trial by unlawful imprisonment. Habeas Corpus may not be suspended by Martial Law unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion in which the safety of the citizens of the United States may require it. Also, what is taking place at Guantanamo By, Cuba is in violation of the United States Constitution. This current administration does not believe that an enemy combatant of the United States, if an American, citizen can be held without trial.

This is sort of like the problem that FEMA and the Reagan Administration fought back in the 1980s prior to the invasion of Nicaragua.


[edit on 10/31/2006 by gimmefootball400]

[edit on 11/1/2006 by gimmefootball400]

GIMMEFOOTBALL;

You mean that under the definition of martial law, and under the definition of HC ... but Bush also stated that he will decide who is an enemy combatant, which would trump everything that any definition anywhere would say. Simply put, if he can define anyone anyway he see's fit, then any definition is useless.

Also, it isn't just about this president - because this moemoe has put in place these articles, even if he was a kinda, and benevolent ruler(Which clearly he isn't, but just to show the point) and he never used these laws, and signing statements for evil - there is nothing stoping the next President from using them to trample your rights, or the President after that, or after that. All because people couldn't stand back to see they were being used(and some still are) to advance a cause that is partisan. Divide and conquer indeed.

Originally posted by Waiting2awake
GIMMEFOOTBALL;

You mean that under the definition of martial law, and under the definition of HC ... but Bush also stated that he will decide who is an enemy combatant, which would trump everything that any definition anywhere would say. Simply put, if he can define anyone anyway he see's fit, then any definition is useless.

Also, it isn't just about this president - because this moemoe has put in place these articles, even if he was a kinda, and benevolent ruler(Which clearly he isn't, but just to show the point) and he never used these laws, and signing statements for evil - there is nothing stoping the next President from using them to trample your rights, or the President after that, or after that. All because people couldn't stand back to see they were being used(and some still are) to advance a cause that is partisan. Divide and conquer indeed.

Well put.......to the point you got my WATS

Weither you guys believe this or not, you can not deny the fact about the U.S. headed in a negative direction for our future...

Seems like something is doing this on purpose doesnt it? Doesnt anyone else think the past few months have been weird? Just wonder why has the Bush Administration and Congress been passing the Military commision act, Martial law bill here, detainment bills? Feels like there has been a whole flux of them. It's not even like another event has happened to justify it either.

See they only nibble away at our freedoms at the speed we would not notice them, but since we're so blind these days, they (they being the globalist who want contol) want to have order in there mind, the order they think is right for the world, not what the majority or people want.
Then before we know it, bill of rights are shaven down to the point only select people can have them. Weither they be Elite, people who have curtian backgrouns, or with the new ID act thing, people who are green have more rights then people who are orange and red cards. This is also going to be implanted when the North American Union (STARTS off as a trade agreement but they have pushed things forward that will add on to it later... just like the EU!) comes into play in 2010 (which is the deadline in the document).
I do not care if you do not beleive me or not, you should go out and do you're own research, read the documents, go egg hunting, see all sides of the story, see which one does not aim at the gullible audience...

[edit on 31-10-2006 by trIckz_R_fO_kIdz]

So when did martial law start? I didn't hear of any curfews yet and I didn't hear any air raid sirens. I expect when the coming earth changes provide disasters to the world that the martial law provisions will kick in to prevent complete pandamonium but I don't expect it to be used until then.

Originally posted by denythestatusquo
So when did martial law start? I didn't hear of any curfews yet and I didn't hear any air raid sirens. I expect when the coming earth changes provide disasters to the world that the martial law provisions will kick in to prevent complete pandamonium but I don't expect it to be used until then.

Well one things for sure, when it happen, you wont miss it probably. Earth changes are coming for sure though, just not the same way the mainstream wants you to believe, at least from my research, this is a natural process of earth, ICE AGES happen, and the sun being the biggest player in earths climent its the most over looked.

Another reason for Martial Law to be declared is if theres another big event, like terrorist attack, war with NK and Iran and syria at the same time, attacks withien the U.S., GLOBALIST take over lol.

Originally posted by denythestatusquo
So when did martial law start? I didn't hear of any curfews yet and I didn't hear any air raid sirens. I expect when the coming earth changes provide disasters to the world that the martial law provisions will kick in to prevent complete pandamonium but I don't expect it to be used until then.

I agree but we did get a glimpse of how things will work, when the Levees' broke in New Orleans. I think I would rather have the military in charge of Martial Law than the Blackwater Private Security mercenaries. Now that was a frightening glimpse of the future I'm afraid.

Originally posted by Vitchilo
I learn something new in politics today... ALL fascists state tried to reduce the debt... Bush try to reduce the debt.... also, ALL fascists state cut spending in culture... have Bush cutted in culture?

You need a new teacher.
The United States is a Republic.
I'm only listing the top 25 on both lists - GDP per Country and per Capita
Also notable is that we are the worlds largest consumers. If we stop buying the economies of most of the Third World including China collapses overnight. Many in the Industrialized World would collapse as well. Keep in mind we only have about 5% of the worlds population.

Some facts -

2006 GDP IMF list
Rank Country GDP
- World 63,419,738
1 United States 12,939,273
2 People's Republic of China(Mainland) 10,518,221
3 Japan 4,167,893
4 India 3,942,177
5 Germany 2,609,916
6 United Kingdom 1,910,818
7 France 1,889,783
8 Italy 1,769,919
9 Russia 1,706,972
10 Brazil 1,639,834
11 Canada 1,368,319
12 South Korea 1,153,414
13 Mexico 1,122,039
14 Spain 1,081,332
15 Indonesia 929,835
16 Australia 674,970
17 Taiwan (Republic of China) 674,589
18 Turkey 611,572
19 Thailand 606,359
20 Iran 602,077
21 South Africa 559,306
22 Argentina 548,754
23 Poland 546,543
24 Netherlands 522,853
25 Philippines 435,807


2006 GDP (PPP) per capita IMF list
Rank Country GDP (PPP) per capita
— World N/A
1 Luxembourg 70,004
2 United States 43,555
3 Norway 43,481
4 Canada 42,402
5 Ireland 42,081
6 Iceland 37,913
7 Denmark 36,083
8 Switzerland 34,498
9 Austria 34,256
— Hong Kong, 33,940
10 Australia 32,686
11 Japan 32,640
12 Belgium 32,468
13 Finland 32,153
14 Netherlands 31,989
15 United Kingdom 31,528
16 Germany 31,472
17 Sweden 30,751
18 Italy 30,468
19 Qatar 30,326
20 France 30,151
21 Singapore 29,591
22 Taiwan (Republic of China 29,203
23 Spain 26,009
24 New Zealand 25,848
25 Brunei 25,243



Your math makes no sense. I earn about $110,000 after taxes. I can easily qualify for a 1.5 million dollar home mortgage. I can support that home, make the payments, invest 25% of my income and still afford a nice vacation every year even though my mortgage would be many times my annual income. In fact with some budgeting I could nearly double the size of that mortgage and live well and die debt free. Factoring in the investments I will die with more than I earned in my adult life. I started as a construction laborer with a high school diploma.

Our national debt has reduced by half in the last three years. Our unemployment rate is at historical lows. The market is setting new records daily. Our countrys poor are rich by third world standards. Home ownership is at a historical high. Our productivity is unmatched in the Industrialized World.

Wow, it seems things are falling into place from my point of view. Prison camps, the training of the police for suburban revolt, the molding of an administration and United States is the last piece of the puzzle to shut-up human freedoms. Their is more reasons and from what I have seen and read I rely on all of your knowledge to fill in the blanks. MY question to every one is this, first a statement, We have seen and been pursuaded that our system of things(the U.S.A) has failed us and it has failed us to a standard 10,000 times as much as what triggered the first revoluton. We are afraid of the infrastructure of government, yes afraid to go to jail, afraid of losing our jobs, afraid of the unknown and afraid of death. My question is this, If we let it all go then what is our future, your childrens future? Will they live oppressed in every respect? Think about it, in detail, think about it!

If any other President of the United States were to have even tried a stunt like this, it would have meant certain doom for their administration. What this administration is doing would have gotten any other president thrown out of office and placed in front of tribunals. Bush is clearly violating Habeas Corpus holding American Citizens deemed as terrorists by President Bush. This just goes to show that Bush thinks that he is above the law. Which he is not above the law.

Wow, this is like the "Star Wars" movies where the emperiour creates, co-creates, assist or take advantage of any situtation to further his goals to subjugate and total control the ignorant council and population by fear and other means. It seems like art does imitate life.

or maybe i'm just a geeky paranoid star wars fan who thinks too much..... heeheheeee

Our national debt has reduced by half in the last three years.

Do you believe what you just said? Seriously? Because the national debt has not been reduced by half in the last three years, that's complete lies.

Debt in 2000: 5.674 trillions
Debt in 2006: 8.565 trillions

Yeah right.

Our unemployment rate is at historical lows.

Yeah right, maybe, but people are moving from middle-class jobs to low-class jobs. And wait till there's a crash.

The market is setting new records daily.

And? I'll remind you that the elections are near and the only think Bush can say is the economy look well. And also that the great depression followed the 20s, the most rich period of time in the history.

Our countrys poor are rich by third world standards.

Of course, every middle-class in the world are shrinking... in the 80s, it was 20% of the world in middle-class, now it's about 3% of the world.

Home ownership is at a historical high.

Of course, but all on debt.

Our productivity is unmatched in the Industrialized World.

For now.

Everyone is dumping his dollars. Even China. A few links.

Costello seeks orderly $US withdrawal

CMC Markets' analyst Ashraf Laidi said in a client note that traders should be wary of the continuing diversification of central bank reserves away from US dollars.

ABU DHABI — The UAE Central Bank may cut its US dollar dominated reserves by up to 90 per cent and is looking at other currencies such as the yen, euro and sterling, Sultan Nasser Al Suwaidi, Governor, Central Bank of the UAE, said yesterday. However, he did not elaborate on the topic further.

Anyway, go see this thread to wake you up to the real situation.


Also, about martial law...

External Source Domestically, that plan appears to involve the activation of the police state.

In the last few weeks the Bush administration has passed the Military Commissions Act of 2006 which allows the president to arrest and torture whomever he chooses without charging him with a crime. Also, unbeknownst to most Americans, Bush signed into law a provision which, according to Senator Patrick Leahy, will allow the president to unilaterally declare martial law. By changing The Insurrection Act, Bush has essentially overturned the Posse Comitatus Act which bars the president from deploying troops with the United States. The John Warner Defense Authorization Act of 2007 (as it is called) also allows Bush to take control of the National Guard which has always been under the purview of the state governors. Bush now has absolute power over all armed troops within the country, a state of affairs which the constitution purposely tried to prevent. The administration’s dream of militarizing the country under the sole authority of the executive has now been achieved although the public still has no idea that a coup that has taken place.

And the economic crash pending, load your guns.

[edit on 1-11-2006 by Vitchilo]

Originally posted by Vitchilo

Our national debt has reduced by half in the last three years.

Do you believe what you just said? Seriously? Because the national debt has not been reduced by half in the last three years, that's complete lies.

Debt in 2000: 5.674 trillions
Debt in 2006: 8.565 trillions

Yeah right.

2000 to 2006 is 6 years. The debt is higher in 2006 than it was in 2000 but it is half of what it was in 2003. Nice try.

Our unemployment rate is at historical lows.

Yeah right, maybe, but people are moving from middle-class jobs to low-class jobs. And wait till there's a crash.

Yeah right, BUT....

The market is setting new records daily.

And? I'll remind you that the elections are near and the only think Bush can say is the economy look well. And also that the great depression followed the 20s, the most rich period of time in the history.

And?

Our countrys poor are rich by third world standards.

Of course, every middle-class in the world are shrinking... in the 80s, it was 20% of the world in middle-class, now it's about 3% of the world.

Of Course,

Home ownership is at a historical high.

Of course, but all on debt.

Of Course, BUT...

Our productivity is unmatched in the Industrialized World.

For now.

For now....

Its useless trying to discuss anything with you Vitch.

2000 to 2006 is 6 years. The debt is higher in 2006 than it was in 2000 but it is half of what it was in 2003. Nice try.

HAHAHA, so you say the debt in 2003 was 17 trillions? How stupid is that? Seriously? It's utter bullcrap.

[Yeah right, BUT....

When Clinton leaved: 4.0% of unemployment (2000)
When Bush entered: 4.7(2001) 5.8(2002) 6.0(2003) 5.5(2004) 5.1(2005)
Pulte lays off nearly a third of workforce

And?

The high numbers in the Dow Jones aren't a good indicator of the health of the economy.

Of Course,

Of course of course. You don't answer, you just blindly believe what FoxNews says...the economy is doing well because Bush says so!

Of Course, BUT...

All the mortage was purchased on debt, people are all in debt, in certains cases some are 400% in debt... Ohhh, if you need money, you can't sell you're house to buy food, even more when everyone is in debt! How would you sell you're house if nobody want to buy it?

For now....

Wait till there's an economic crash and all corporations move to Asia.

Its useless trying to discuss anything with you Vitch.

You're right, you can't face facts. If you can't see how jobs are being outsourced to Asia, how the middle-class is soaring and that the value of the dollar is on the edge, I can't help you. You have the disease of denial.

You know, denial?

There's a well known psychological phenomena called denial. If something is painful to think about, if it causes anxiety, one of the easiest responses just to refuse to think about it.

Washington is also in denial regarding the economy.

What about economic growth? Can't the United States outgrow its obligations? Theoretically yes, but practically no. The postwar norm is for senior benefits to grow roughly twice as fast as the economy. Yes, there are ways to restructure U.S. entitlements to limit benefit growth and still save the day. But Washington has no appetite for anything radical. Indeed, Washington's concerted approach to our nation's demographic/fiscal crisis is to ignore it.

And who would I trust the most? Darkbluesky, who is a neo-con, or the vice-president of the world bank? A bias person or someone who know his work? Mmmm...

[edit on 1-11-2006 by Vitchilo]

The President assumes he's the final word on everything, and sadly, Americans have been duped into believing him. Patriotism in America has been transformed into support of the President, not support of the nation and it's ideals, which is what it's supposed to be.

So the president decides what is right and wrong, then he, and he alone can define an "enemy combatant" or a "civil disturbance" great enough to declare martial law.

Noone has the power to criticize him, or alter his course of action. What if the President is misguided, wrong, evil, or harbors some alternate agenda? What if it's not even this president, but one later who harbors feelings of fascism? The very reason we have Congress is to keep these powers out of the hands of one man, and now they've been hand-delivered into the hands of a man who has called the Constitution "just a god-damned piece of paper"

Here's an article discussing that:

www.capitolhillblue.com...

To all the people wondering why the ability for one man to declare martial law is bad for the general populace, here's your answer:

Lets assume that *A* president, it doesn't even have to be the current one, begins doing things that the general populace objects to, and they begin to assemble to protest his actions, maybe some even go on strike. Well, that's a civil disturbance that disrupts "public order." Now the Office of the President holds the power to declare martial law, use the military to disburse the gathering (protected by our First Ammendment rights -right to peaceable assembly), and jail the people who organized it, trampling the freedom of speech. Those on strike are told to get back to work, or face charges of promoting civil unrest. Any way you cut this cake, the path has been laid for America to become a military dictatorship. I don't care who you support, or what you think of anyone in office right at this moment, this is a bad, bad thing for Americans, and honestly, the world. These powers which the current administration thinks belong in the hands of the President were kept out of his hands very specifically when the outline of our government was first drafted. What we have now is a system of apparent checks and balances which have no value because the checks are counter-checked with other provisos.