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Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
Well, there is much coming to light. Present day Christianity has very little in common with first century Christianity.
Originally posted by dbrandt
What present day christianity are you comparing 1st century christianity with?
Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
Well, there is much coming to light. Present day Christianity has very little in common with first century Christianity.
It seems to me that the church doctrine has been manipulated with since at least the council of Nicea and perhaps before then.
Now, when one looks at the atrocities that the church committed during the inquisition, it is obvious that the church was trying to hide something from the people. What that was has yet to be revealed. However, it is quite evident that secrecy was indeed the intention of the inquisition and the labeling of people as "heretics."
Noone and I mean NOONE wants to know or for certainly hear the Truth being taught in church today therefore the Truth remains hidden to those who do not have ears to hear and eyes to see!!
Originally posted by junglejake
The Spanish Inquisition was about political power and using religion as a means to attain that power.
[edit on 10/26/06/26 by junglejake]
Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
As to what secrets, heh, well, let's just say that there are things, not necessarily dealing with the deity of Christ, the "church" doesn't want you to know.
[edit on 26-10-2006 by SpeakerofTruth]
Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
Well, there is much coming to light. Present day Christianity has very little in common with first century Christianity. It seems to me that the church doctrine has been manipulated with since at least the council of Nicea and perhaps before then.
I'm trying to nail you down on the word church. What do you mean by church? A denomination, etc.
Originally posted by dbrandt
Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
Well, there is much coming to light. Present day Christianity has very little in common with first century Christianity. It seems to me that the church doctrine has been manipulated with since at least the council of Nicea and perhaps before then.
I'm trying to nail you down on the word church. What do you mean by church? A denomination, etc.
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
i think speaker intends to say christianity in general
as in the stuff that nearly all christians share in common theologically
Originally posted by dbrandt
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
i think speaker intends to say christianity in general
as in the stuff that nearly all christians share in common theologically
True christianity still exists. But not all denominations present the truth. That's why the Bible is to be read so that the truth can be known and discernment can be used to know who's telling the truth.
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
i think speaker intends to say christianity in general
as in the stuff that nearly all christians share in common theologically
Originally posted by junglejake
What you mean by putting (false messiah) after Jesus Christ I don't know, and would be interested to hear an explanation...
How do you discern what is man's and what is God's?
I get the impression that holidays you perceive as man's, and not God's, as you seem to a Sabbath day, yet God gave the Jews many holidays.
If money is being asked for, it is not of God?
Where did your list of what is not His come from? I'll agree on some points, such as idol worship being despised by God, because you're putting something before Him as the Israelites did at Mt. Sinai, just to mention one example.
It really sounds like you expect a perfect church, and if there is any imperfection in it you have to leave it.
The fact is, though, that even if you found that perfect church, as soon as you walk through the doors it is no longer perfect.
Even Paul wrote that he did evil when he did not want to. Peter did as well.
By this criteria, though, Christians can never gather, which is exactly what the enemy would want. Ever hear of divide and conquer?
Naturally, though, do not lose heart!
If you see something wrong with the Bride of Christ, do not flee!
Christ said we should expect opposition if we were living in Him because the servant is not better than the master. American and Western Christians, however, have come to expect our lives with Christ to be cakewalks and as soon as we run into opposition, be it in the church or in our day to day lives, we panic and flee instead of facing it standing on God's Word.
Note that the Armor of God does not protect your back!
Fight for your church, help a budding revival that is starting to burn across this country, do not cower in fear thinking that Christ's Bride is referred to as a whore by God -- she is not, it is the world that is the whore, selling itself more and more to be more appealing to people's sin nature.
If you want to know just how depraved this world has gotten, you just have to read about a company's attempt to turn your 6-year-olds into "sex kittens" with toys at the local toy store.
Originally posted by Ed Littlefox
Hi--
Well, let me say that Speaker-of-Truth and myself agree to disagree on some things, BUT, this time I have to lend my support.
When "we" say "Church" --and much more when YOU say "church"--we are speaking of the Universal Body of Christ --THAT Church--which is the only Church there is. Denominationalism is a a result of schism in the Body of Christ. The understanding is that a "divided house" cannot stand--and there are 506 demominations of Christianity just in the US alone. The reason for the splits and splinters, and the schisms, is the keeping of the very secrets that Speaker references. Are there really Secrets? Does a Conspiracy really exist within the Christian Church, (Catholic and Protestant)?
YESSSS!
[edit on 26-10-2006 by Ed Littlefox]