latest terror message (hanmannpi.com)

I highly doubt that anything will happen on November 11. But thats just my opinion.

Originally posted by Valhall
Okay, here's my crack at this:

36 is the Latitude. 36 N
25 is the Longitude, only you take the oblique, which would be 155 and east is west and west is east and the longitude is measured from Mecca. So, 155W of Mecca (which is at 39E) would be 116W.

At 36N, 116W sits Las Vegas, NV.

I'm working on what the second part is, but I think it is where the perps have taken off from...sneaky bastards.

My personal opinion is if you have a gambling trip scheduled for LV on the 11th, go to Atlantic City or Shreveport instead...that's all I'm saying.

I was thinking those could be coordinates too val, i remember reading that they've been planning to hit Las Vegas for a long time, wasnt it supposed to be Sept 11 2002?

It computes too, Las Vegas is the centre of everything they hate, drink, gambling, harlots and just about everything else.

PLUS! Nerdling, if you remember the stories of how the 9-11 martyrs spent their last nights at titty-bars and such...what a way to go, right!

Originally posted by Valhall
PLUS! Nerdling, if you remember the stories of how the 9-11 martyrs spent their last nights at titty-bars and such...what a way to go, right!

True, i have a book on terrorism written after Sept 11, its "Liberty" by Stephen Coonts, its a plot about nukes..but anyway... the terrorists are living in south florida and they go through the process of hating america at the start then realising just how great freedom is, and with lots of funding they can buy all the beers and hoes they want. Eventually one of them loves america too much and is killed by the others.

Even the hardest of minds can be turned when they experience something as great as freedom.

Although crashing a plane into Liberaces house doesnt have the same effect as crashing it into the white house, although there could be serious glitter fallout all over the west coast if that happened.

What if they're after a military facility? Area 51 would be cool but highly unlikely. Or a nuclear power plant. Humm this could take some work to find.

I'll go start looking at power stations near LV.

Oh Oh Oh!

Someone grab wind reports for LV, if they hit a power station at the right time they could throw fallout all over california.

HOOVER DAM IS ABOUT 1 HOUR FROM LAS VEGAS, NERDLING!!!

Originally posted by Valhall
HOOVER DAM IS ABOUT 1 HOUR FROM LAS VEGAS, NERDLING!!!

Eeeep!

Just how impact can one of those things survive, i'll go look what cities are in the area of it.

Heh, on another note, Smacking the "Hoover" dam is taking an indirect swipe at the FBI, J Edgar Hoover and all, would be some bitter irony.

*swings into crisis mode*

[Edited on 9-11-2003 by Nerdling]

Latitude and Longitude of Hoover Dam

36N 115W !!!!!!

Jesus, i think we could actually be on to something,

Lake Mead, the largest man-made lake in the U.S. (based on storage capacity) was created by the construction of Hoover Dam, one of the country's modern engineering wonders. Due is overall depth, it stores more water than any other Colorado River reservoir, including Lake Powell. Both land and boat tours of the dam are conducted daily. The desert princess, a 250 passenger paddlewheeler located at Lake Mead Marina, is available for tours.

The nearby Grand Canyon is absolutely breathtaking and worthy of a day trip. The Valley of Fire Park is also a worthwhile side trip by car, located just few miles north of Echo Bay Resort. It was named for the massive red rock formations. Many of this rocks bear ancient Indians petroglyphs. Bring your camera.

A fish hatchery, where trout are bred for Lake Mead and Mohave, can be found three miles north of Lake Mead Resort, and is open to the public seven days a week. Nearby, exciting and fun-filled Las Vegas features gaming of all sorts, and name entertainment and reviews.

Nearby Towns

Three towns are located in close proximity to Lake Mead. Overton is just a few miles north of the tip of the Overton Arm; Boulder City is located to the southwest of Boulder Basin, and very close to Hoover Dam; Las Vegas is just a 30 minute drive west. Overton, Boulder City and Las Vegas all have supermarkets and medical facilities. Las Vegas, known as the entertainment capital of the world, also has shopping centers and plenty of lodging. Since Las Vegas has been growing in popularity as a location for conventions, it is strongly recommended you make advance reservations for lodging


They'd be letting loose an entire freakin LAKE.

Another piece about hoover dam terror.

To the editor:

The Southern Nevada Group of the Sierra Club strongly applauds your Sept. 16 editorial recommending that truck traffic over the Hoover Dam be banned permanently. We have conferenced with Las Vegas FBI officials numerous times over the past three years asking for such a ban on heavy trucks on Hoover Dam. Unfortunately, it has taken a national tragedy to awaken federal officials to the fact that, "The dam has incalculable strategic value to our region" (Review-Journal, Sept. 16).

On Sept. 15, FBI terrorist and security specialist Cliff Van Zandt spoke on National Public Radio. Mr. Van Zandt warned that U.S. intelligence agencies already know that terrorists are accumulating nuclear and biological weapons. These are exactly the weapons that could be used to destroy or disable the Hoover Dam Historic Landmark, the watershed it holds, and the electricity it generates for the entire Southwest.

Because these weapons of mass destruction can be delivered even from a moderate distance, the big truck ban should extend many miles from Hoover Dam. A new close-by bridge would only make a convenient weapon-launching platform for more suicide terrorists. It should not be built next to Hoover Dam.

A Laughlin crossing is much more easily protected and right now seems to be working satisfactorily as the new truck route. A new additional bridge at Laughlin could be built very quickly, and at a great saving of taxpayer dollars, according to Federal Highway Administration estimates.

This is a win-win solution and federal policy-makers should revisit the Laughlin bridge alternative as the safest way to quickly solve the terrorist-driven, heavy truck threat to the Hoover Dam.

FRED DEXTER

BOULDER CITY

The writer is chair of the Hoover Dam Bypass Subcommittee of the Southern Nevada Group of the Sierra Club.

And another, perhaps the best...

In the wake of the tragic attacks of September 11, emergency security measures were put in place at major dams in the Colorado River system, but the federal government's initial security plans were flawed.

The Bureau of Reclamation's (BuRec) security measures are weakest at two of the system's most vulnerable structures, Glen Canyon and Flaming Gorge Dams. The failure of either could set the stage for a series of catastrophic events with massive human and economic impacts extending from Utah to Mexico.

While federal resources are currently focused on protecting the 726-foot Hoover Dam near Las Vegas from terrorist attack, comparatively little is being done to safeguard Glen Canyon Dam upstream on the Colorado River or Flaming Gorge Dam upstream on the Green River. After Hoover, these two dams represent the second- and third-largest dams, respectively, in the Colorado River Basin.

Dam failure would cause catastrophic damage to the reservoir and immediate downstream areas. A possible "domino effect" could cause major damage to the water supply systems of more than 25 million people in the lower Colorado River Basin, triggering economic disruptions throughout Nevada, Arizona, California and northwestern Mexico.

While around-the-clock patrols at Hoover prevented boaters from approaching the dam within a mile upstream and a half-mile downstream, no such controls were in place at either Glen Canyon or Flaming Gorge.

While trucks and trailers were prohibited from crossing Hoover Dam and passenger vehicles were subject to search by state highway patrol officers at checkpoints on either side, truck traffic still moved freely over the crest of Flaming Gorge Dam and across the Glen Canyon Dam Bridge. No security checkpoints were erected at either site.

Hoover is by far the best-constructed component of the Colorado River plumbing system. Anchored into massive granite canyon walls and designed with enough mass for gravity to hold its reservoir - the nation's largest - in check, a major attack is unlikely to cause structural failure. The real problems are further upriver.

The 710-foot Glen Canyon Dam sits tucked into porous Navajo sandstone that constantly leaks water around the structure. Large pieces of canyon wall adjacent to the dam routinely break away. BuRec must install increasingly longer "rock bolts" in an attempt to ensure stability of the dam's abutment and to protect the dam's powerplant from falling rock.

In 1983, high water caused portions of the dam's sandstone spillway tunnels to crumble, posing a threat to the abutment.

Any rupture of the dam's crumbling abutments would release two years' annual flow of the Colorado River to blast its way around the dam, scouring the Grand Canyon before surging across Lake Mead on its way to Hoover Dam. In the best-case scenario, this water would flow over the top of Hoover, creating a downstream flood similar to a Hoover Dam collapse. At worst, the collapse of Glen Canyon could damage Hoover Dam, sending four years' annual flow of the Colorado River heading toward Mexico all at once.

Glen Canyon Dam is an accident waiting to happen. Serious plans must be put in place for the dam's controlled decommissioning, as the dam very likely could fail on its own.

A failure at Flaming Gorge Dam, with a full pool of 3.7 million acre-feet of water, would threaten Glen Canyon Dam downstream.

Below Hoover Dam, where the smaller Davis, Parker and Imperial dams constitute critical elements of the Colorado River plumbing system. Damage to the Central Arizona Project Canal, California Aqueduct and All-American Canal - the region's major water delivery systems - would jeopardize municipal water supplies from Las Vegas to San Diego.

Riverside communities in Nevada, California and Arizona as well as the reservations of the Fort Mojave, Colorado River Indian Tribes, Chemehuevi, Cocopah and Quechan nations are all at risk in the event of a major lower-basin flood. Three interstate highways and numerous oil and gas pipelines cross the river below Laughlin, Nevada.

This is really freaking me out. Iam scared. I know we get warnings all the time and nothing happens, but about the time we ignore it, something major is going to happen. Everybody keep your heads up and your wits about you.

Originally posted by Kiwifish
This is really freaking me out. Iam scared. I know we get warnings all the time and nothing happens, but about the time we ignore it, something major is going to happen. Everybody keep your heads up and your wits about you.

We all hope nothing happens but we have to gather as much on this as possible in a short time just in case.

Looking at the numbers....if they mean anything at all...it's likely lattitude and longitude...degrees, minutes, seconds, etc. Interestingly enough, the missing number from the pattern (77) could be a coordinate in either New York or Washington DC....

Personally, I'm not putting too much into it....many attempts are made on a rather regular basis I suppose...but are thwarted or considered too risky...

I have spent several weekends with my old jetboat on the Colorado River. Lake Havasu is a favorite spot since you can stay in Laughlin and play the tables at night and then, if you have a jetboat, take the 60 mile trip down the river to Lake Havasu and party all day in the sun.

The original London Bridge has been completely rebuilt in Havasu City and is an interesting potential target since it would be a slap against BOTH England and the U.S.

Admittedly, popping the London Bridge would amount to flooding the lake with several tons of kitsch and not much else BUT it would have an economic impact on the tourist economy and scare hell out of alot of people.

I fear the Las Vegas potential the worst. Imagine 15 or 20 of these dirtbags strolling into 15 or 20 big name casinos on the strip and going *POP* right on the floor.

Not to mentioni the fact my Brother lives in Vegas... Dark days ahead I fear... Dark days ahead...

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BUt sure the hoover damn would be good target for symolism and stuff but you would also have to plug in the human factor or the body count factor. I mean how many ppl would be killed im sure it would be a big fiscal loss for the country and take out alot of towns but the terrorist know that in the end we might be pissed about the loss of million and millions of dollars but we are a rich nation we recover they onw the only thing that really make us angry is the death of fellow americans especially on US soil. I think springers idea is laot more plausable. I know the security is there in casinos to moniter theft but how about the security to stop someone commin in with bombs strapped to them orinside of them. But still its vega its holds no politacal terrorism value like NYc, DC, or even LA. Part of me is sayin LA better look out but why would the terrorist wanna piss off some of there biggest supporters to the downfall of the USA. I hope we are all wrong tho. But i doubt itll be the 11th im thinkin the 13th

Does LA, DC, or NYC have street names like 36th. ave. or 25th street?