Hydrogen Bombs Brought Down The WTC's Hypothesis

Here is a report i found on radiation but it blames it on Depleted Uranium from the planes. Problem is the 767 and 757 do not carry Depleted Uranium they use Tungsten. Boeing stopped using Depleted Uranium in the later 747s.

www.xs4all.nl...

From: "Leuren Moret"

Alex Jones discusses mini nuke devices at WTC and OKC bombing.

Interview with Dr. William (Bill) Richard Deagle
16 November 2004, The Alex Jones Show, Alex Jones
Mini-Nukes Used on 9/11

Check out the interview there is an audio mp3 download available.

www.prisonplanet.com...


[edit on 19-12-2006 by Insolubrious]

The US Government's Usage of Atomic Bombs - Domestic - WTC
By Ed Ward, MD :
www.thepriceofliberty.org...

He compacted a huge list of links on this subject on his page.

I posted on this radiation subject here :
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

If you are at it, just read that whole page, a few surprises still there, that I found in the NIST 1-8 report.

mini-nukes....

that is the stupidest thing Ive ever heard of. How about a really large quantity of conventional explosives. If your going to lie about the govt planting explosives, atleast be realistic.

THe fact that CTers are resorting to this crap really shows they have no clue what theyre talking about.

Bob,
It's not such an outlandish idea if you do some more in depth research.
See my latest post #4 here :
Another fact you would not expect


In these www.studyof911.com... forums you can find more on the thesis that nuclear devices of the 4th and perhaps 5th generation could have been used. F.ex. here :

www.studyof911.com...
Collecting information on modern nuclear devices
and here :
www.studyof911.com...
3rd, 4th and 5th generation nuclear devices.

Dear Everybody:

It’s been a while since I’ve posted here. But now that we’re on the eve of another war of conquest, I simply have to repeat what seems to keep getting lost here — antimatter-triggered pure hydrogen bombs are real. And if we used them within our own national boundaries — of all places in our largest city against our proudest buildings — then one can be only certain that we will use these new weapons against targets in Iran.

I’ve linked these URL’s before, but I will show them again and if needed “till the cows come home”. Laugh all you want, in the end the joke will be on all of us if we don’t stop behaving like this, i.e. starting wars over resources (oil for us, land for our ‘ally’ Israel) however ‘strategic’ we may think they are.

1. The physics of antimatter induced fusion and thermonuclear explosions www.arxiv.org...

2. Antimatter weapons (1946-1986) arxiv.org...

3. Antimatter Technology for Military Purposes cuiwww.unige.ch...

Greetings,
The Wizard In The Woods

Dear WITW,

Good to hear from you again I hope you are well. I haven't been posting much either (not really much need to) but I continue to read and research the WTC collapse and my opinions are pretty much still the same

As far as the antimatter trigger goes i feel it is perhaps more than necessary, not to mention it would be so hard and so expensive to obtain and/or produce a bomb with this tech I don't think it would be worth it (yet) especially if this really were terrorists. Such a device would probably run into billions, it would probably cost more to build or purchase one than to renovate the WTC asbestos.

However, what i am more inclined to believe is it was achieved with 'red mercury' if anything, as SteveR suggested some time ago. Did you look into that much? Here are a few links.

chemistry.about.com...
www.guardian.co.uk...

Anti matter triggers are an old idea but the tech is still cutting edge where as red mercury has been around for some time (if it exists, which it probably does considering the controversy surrounding it). Given that Red Mercury is already extremely expensive on the black market, how much do you think an antimatter trigger would be? Too much.

Red mercury seems to be a pretty good culprit and fits the picture well, its not cheap, but a better deal at least than a black market anti matter trigger and appears that it can be used as 'clean' trigger for fusion.

Depending on who you believe, red mercury is either an elaborate hoax, a codename for nuclear material smuggled through the former iron curtain, or a terrifying new trigger for a handheld hydrogen bomb. What it isn't, according to the speculation and hearsay that makes up the scientific literature on the subject, is any use for a dirty bomb (one that scatters radioactive material).

No good for dirty bomb, perhaps due to the minimal fallout and short half life?

So there we have a clean trigger for fusion which may of been around for quite some time most certainly pre 2001, reminded me of:

Bali Micro Nuke - Lack of Radiation Confuses "Experts"
"The bomb flashed and exploded like a micro nuke, but our Geiger counters don't show any radiation"

Perhaps this was a red mercury triggered mini fusion device of a different yield. The OKC bomb/s may of been too, there appear to be links between these events. the OKC link having particular similarities. Not to mention confessions from the people who dealt with removing the 'sophisticated secondary devices' from the Murrah Federal building, they spoke of mini nukes and c4 'pineapples'.

Doc, what happened in Oklahoma City wasn't caused by ammonium nitrate bomb in the small truck they say was parked by the building." "What are you saying?", I snapped back. "See this rash, it was caused by radiation. We broke three radiation detectors there. See, we were the same team that was sent to Riyad, Saudi Arabia and the bomb only blew the windows into the building. We estimated the explosion was by our calculations to be seven times more ammonium nitrate in that truck bomb. The whole front of the building was sheared off doc in Oklahoma; cleanest controlled detonation our munitions expert forensic team has seen ever. " "What!!", I blurted. "Yeah, we were examining the building site under Wakenhut armed guard, and told not to take any radioactive debris off the site, or they were ordered to shoot on site to kill. All our bags were searched and put through a detector, to make sure we didn't take any off site, or away from the place where they burried and concrete capped all the debris, again under armed Wakenhut guard." "You are telling me that the building was exploded with a nuclear device?", I said. Shaking with a now very pale and distant face, he grunted, "Yeah!". "Oh my God!, and how did this happen?", I inquired.

"There were micronuclear bombs placed on support pillars in the walls of the Federal Building, by special units of the ATF and FBI. They were paged out not to enter the building on the morning of the detonation, and the Federal Judge was warned to cancel court that day. We removed to undetonated softball sized micronuclear bombs, and one C4 pineapple bomb, attached to the pillars of the remaining building."

www.prisonplanet.com...

Also have you heard much about the a-neutronic bomb, there area few interesting stories about it but not huge amounts of information out there to look at, here is something though.

demopedia.democraticunderground.com...

Thats just my thoughts for now. All the best and good luck in your search,

Inso






[edit on 22-2-2007 by Insolubrious]

Dear Insolubrious:

Good to see you’re back in posting mode too. It’s late — past my bedtime — but I wanted to quickly respond to your post. So please excuse my shooting from the hip here.

1. There were no “terrorists” involved on 9-11. The WTC’s were taken down by our own officials. Therefore cost and availability of explosives’ systems were not an issue.

2. 9-11 was not about asbestos removal in the WTC’s. Yes, that was a side benefit. All kinds of people were eager to participate in the 9-11 event, to make money! But exactly that happens with any type of ‘project’ — and yes, 9-11 can be viewed as a venture of sorts. The objective being to invade Afghanistan and Iraq.

3. Red mercury is a rather ‘nebulous’ substance. Plenty of scientists think it’s a bunch of bullsh*t. No matter. Mainly some of the Russians claim to have it. But in any case it would be used to trigger atomic bombs rather than fusion devices, by compacting the plutonium . In fusion weapons it does no good to compress the fuel to a critical mass because, well, there is none! It’s the ultra-high temperature that’s required to trigger the reaction (fusion). Of course when you compress something it gets hot too, but I’m trying to keep this simple.

Antimatter reacting violently with matter gets extremely hot and turns enough of the hydrogen (isotopes) into plasma to start a fusion chain reaction. It’s — metaphorically — akin to a spark from a flint in a common cigarette lighter igniting the propane gas. Without that small spark you could move “heaven and earth” and you would never be able to ignite the flame.

Sorry about that “down and dirty” response. But I hope it helps somewhat.

Greetings,
The Wizard In The Woods

Originally posted by Wizard_In_The_Woods
Dear Insolubrious:

Good to see you’re back in posting mode too. It’s late — past my bedtime — but I wanted to quickly respond to your post. So please excuse my shooting from the hip here.

1. There were no “terrorists” involved on 9-11. The WTC’s were taken down by our own officials. Therefore cost and availability of explosives’ systems were not an issue.

2. 9-11 was not about asbestos removal in the WTC’s. Yes, that was a side benefit. All kinds of people were eager to participate in the 9-11 event, to make money! But exactly that happens with any type of ‘project’ — and yes, 9-11 can be viewed as a venture of sorts. The objective being to invade Afghanistan and Iraq.

3. Red mercury is a rather ‘nebulous’ substance. Plenty of scientists think it’s a bunch of bullsh*t. No matter. Mainly some of the Russians claim to have it. But in any case it would be used to trigger atomic bombs rather than fusion devices, by compacting the plutonium . In fusion weapons it does no good to compress the fuel to a critical mass because, well, there is none! It’s the ultra-high temperature that’s required to trigger the reaction (fusion). Of course when you compress something it gets hot too, but I’m trying to keep this simple.

Antimatter reacting violently with matter gets extremely hot and turns enough of the hydrogen (isotopes) into plasma to start a fusion chain reaction. It’s — metaphorically — akin to a spark from a flint in a common cigarette lighter igniting the propane gas. Without that small spark you could move “heaven and earth” and you would never be able to ignite the flame.

Sorry about that “down and dirty” response. But I hope it helps somewhat.

Greetings,
The Wizard In The Woods

Dear WITW,

Have you had a really good look at the stories and reports on red mercury? Have a good dig you will find some interesting things. It seems like there is a little too much information for it not to be real if you see what i mean, there are many officials that claim to know it exists and hundreds of mini handheld fusion devices were produced using Red Mercury. There is even information on how Red Mercury is manufactured, how much they can make per annual and the elements it contains.

It seems this is something that has been covered up/whitewashed for a long time, its existence officially denied and made out to be a something of a hoax/myth. The stories of red mercury have some very interesting ties to Al-Qaeda, Iraq and Saddam and the relationship between America and the Soviets. WMD in Iraq, the war. American intelligence pretty much knew what was going on with Soviets doing black market deals on red mercury and other nuclear materials. The Soviets were supposed to sell it to Iraq (against certain treaties obviously) and Iraq then sold it on to Al-Qaeda and other terrorist networks. There is so much fuss about Red Mercury this it is hard to see why they would fuss over and document something so much that doesn't exist.

Also money is an issue of course, even for the US government and their huge resources of capital they still want to make as much profit as possible! I said renovating the WTC asbestos as an example, not as a conclusion to the theory of why it happened (the renovation was pretty expensive tho!). If the device was several billion big ones they are going to make less of a return than using something a bit cheaper, red mercury is approx. valued at $200-300K per kilogram and the devices had allegedly been already produced and tested by the Soviets so they could buy them 'ready to go' essentially. I would expect an anti-matter bomb would be astronomically priced even for the US government and 'if' red mercury exists it provides a much more easier to obtain/create, cheaper and time tested product.

Also, I think you are mistaken as red mercury is used for pure miniature fusion bombs, not fission/A-bombs. Check out the quote i posted above. Red mercury is the short cut to a pure fusion bomb without the need for a primary fission.

Check this out, a good read even though its rense:
www.rense.com...

And this:
www.homelandsecurityus.net...'s%20comments/Red%20Mercury/red_mercury.htm

plenty more to read, google Red Mercury, WTC Red Mercury see what you find.

Here is another snippet from this body of text at: www.ibiblio.org...

"I don't want to sound melodramatic," says [Sam] Cohen, who worked on
the Manhattan Project to build the atom bomb in the 1940s and was a
nuclear weapons adviser to the US government with the RAND corporation
for 20 years. "But red mercury is real and it is terrifying. I
think it is part of a terrorist weapon that potentially spells the
end of organized society." He claims that it could be used to make a
baseball-sized neutron bomb capable of killing everyone within about
600 meters of the explosion.

Al-Qaeda spelling: I thought i should correct that at least

[edit on 23-2-2007 by Insolubrious]

Dear Insolubrious:

Looks like you’re getting back into “the swing of things”. You’re posting like crazy!

Anyways, I’ll try to respond as best I can. At the end of the day, conspiracy theorizing is much more of an “art” than an exact science. And, in the case of “red mercury”, I personally do not believe it exists, just as Al-Qaida doesn’t either!

I of course do not have the means to directly disprove its presence. I can only state my opinion. I remember hearing about the stuff for the first time in the early 1990’s, after the fall of the “iron curtain”, the demise of the Warsaw military alliance system. Shadowy business figures were trying to peddle red mercury all over Western Europe and especially in Switzerland (where I lived at the time).

So, for whatever its worth, I think red mercury is an invention of the Russian/Eastern European Mafia. It’s a “product” these shyster organizations created as a novel way to make lots of money quickly. With all the ‘talk’ about Russia selling nuclear weapons, they feel it’s something they can easily capitalize on by bamboozling ignorant big-bomb maker wannabies into buying.

The beauty of it is, these customers will never complain, no matter how badly shafted. Because it would be too embarrassing for them to protest. And besides, what court system would want to stand up for their rights to purchase quality product, i.e. useable nuclear bomb material? Nope, they gotta smile and keep on smiling the whole way through it. Even when they’re getting lubed up and bent over the counter!

Also, there’s nothing wrong with Rense. It’s a decent site.

Greetings,
The Wizard In The Woods

[edit on 2/23/2007 by Wizard_In_The_Woods]

For All You Non-Believers Out There:

Here’s the process of sublimation (= transition of a solid directly into vapor while skipping the liquid phase) explained in layperson terminology, using the example of the delayed south tower spire collapse. Picture is courtesy of Cameron Fox.


The surface of the core columns did get super-hot and turn white in the process. But this sizzling outer layer continuously evaporated, or more accurately sublimated into white/grayish/light brownish clouds of metal vapor/dust. The neutrons coming from the hydrogen bombs cooked the steel surfaces way before they reached the rest of the metal. So the inner mass of the steel in the columns remain ‘cold’ while its surface ‘cooked away’. The columns went — little by little — straight from cold to ultra-heated (vapor). This was not a perfect transformation, so some of the framing members did drop down in chunks.

This process of sublimation is akin to throwing a cube of ice in to a scorching hot frying pan. Some of the ice will remain for a few seconds while the rest is turning into steam. But there will be no water puddling if the temperature of the pan is high enough.

Greetings,
The Wizard In The Woods

Hey WITW,

I found this the other day, thought I would bring it to the topic as i feel its relevant. Not sure if may of you guys have seen this yet but, check it out:

Titled: WTC Meteorite:

youtube.com...

They actually state at one point in this clip something like 'exposed to temperatures as hot as the inner earths core'.

Check out the 'incinerated' ambulance (3:24) and the 'meteorite' (2:20) quote 'born of intense heat', Paper exposed to so much heat it carbonized.

The jornalist asks 'is this your tomb of unknowns?' reply 'in some respects it is'.

Just to add, I found this image of a nuclear test rather reminicent of ground zero I don't think people may of made this comparision before but i find it somewhat uncanny.


This IS NOT the world trade center, this is a nuclear test(!)



this IS the world trade center(!)

Additional thought to consider, we the 'conspiracy theorists' have countless visual evidence to help support our claims yet the debunkers often do not. Why is that ?

I'm telling you, it's a top secret laser beam from space.

Originally posted by amfirst
I'm telling you, it's a top secret laser beam from space.

Could someone ban this guy already? where is the complain button? I lost it.

[edit on 11-4-2007 by Pootie]

Dear Everybody:

Once again Insolubrious has posted an amazing set of fresh pictures. He has a serious knack for finding the “good stuff”.

Not that this is going to make much of a difference with the die-hard 9-11 truth deniers. It’s kind of like the Orenthal James “The Juice” Simpson case of 1995. All the evidence in the world isn’t going to sway people’s minds.

But so what. Seeing images that buttress our 9-11 insights reassures us CT’ers that the laws of the universe still do apply. CT’ers are the type of people who demand answers, who have an innate desire to understand things. Therefore, comprehending the realities of 9-11 is in itself important to us. We won’t be buffaloed into settling for anything less than the facts.

Thanks for your contribution Insolubrious.

Greetings,
The Wizard In The Woods

WITW,

What is your position on Red Mercury?

If your previous posts are anything to go by, I trust you have dug around enough to have a well founded assessment.

Looking forward to your answer,

SteveR

Dear SteveR:

Scroll up to the upper section of this page and you will see a discussion between me and Insolubrious about Red Mercury.

I think it’s a hoax. But that’s a personal viewpoint I cannot directly substantiate. The majority of scientists seem to agree also. The very idea of a “red isotope of mercury” reeks of hogwash since theoretically there is no plausible definition of such a substance.

People may think views on antimatter (and how it is ideal to trigger fusion bombs) are off-the-wall. But at least there is theoretically sound reasoning supporting its existence. Critics can at best claim that antimatter is practically impossible to generate — but not theoretically. However red mercury’s existence has yet to be deemed conceivable on paper. I therefore think it’s a mythical compound which shafty lowlife arms’ traders created to make easy money off idiot wannabe big-bomb makers.

I realize Sam Cohen thinks differently — for reasons I cannot explain. Maybe he’s got an agenda, maybe he’s ‘losing it’, maybe he’s right. I just cannot agree with his thoughts on this topic. Perhaps others can.

And now back to the seven seals of the Annunaki khaki…

Greetings,
The Wizard In The Woods

[edit on 4/12/2007 by Wizard_In_The_Woods]

Thank you WITW.

Manhattan has some of the most expensive real estate in the world. Understandably, there are many excuses for the painful delay in rebuilding ground zero. However, the thought had occured to me that perhaps radiation had played a role in certain "closed door decision making". I would theorize that remnant radiation (from the nuclear explosions) had discouraged new developments, busy workplaces, from being implemented too soon - arising a need to 'sit it out' until said radiation levels subsided to safer levels.

Can you lend any credence to this thought?

Dear SteveR:

I’m in a fightin’ writin’ mood again. And you inspire me. So I’ll go out on a limb and offer some pure speculation.

You asked why aren’t they rushing to rebuild the World Trade center? A very good question indeed. I don’t think it’s got anything even remotely to do with “radiation”. Real estate moguls couldn’t care less about sending in ‘grunts’ to grub around in glow-in-the-dark soils. No, it’s much more straightforward than that. It’s all about — M-O-N-E-Y. Now as you go, yeah, yeah, we’ve heard that one before, please consider — it can’t be helped that the explanation is so very banal. It’s just the way it is.

First off, here’s a chart I posted not too long ago on another thread.
It shows the national average cost of constructing buildings in the U. S. of A. It’s RS Means data, and considered to be the gold standard of construction costs. Unfortunately it doesn’t show the cost of erecting office space in New York City but it shows places like Chicago. If we were to rebuild the twin towers in Pittsburgh, the most expensive city on the index, then it would cost 968 million dollars for BOTH TOWERS TOGETHER (2 x 4,791,600ft2 x100.99$/ft2=$967,807,368).

Now if Larry Silverstein, as reported has settled his first insurance claim for 3,500 million dollars and is still litigating to get another 3,500 million why would he want to rebuild for $967 million and show realized massive profits for the world to see? If he rebuilds, there is no way no how he can hide from us how he made out ‘like a bandit’ from the events on 9-11. Better for him to drag this thing on into infinity. People will forget over time. It’s best for him and his firm to simply allow this whole affair to fade away in time. In the mean time he can dance the limbo in Barbados.

My question for you and the rest of the world is how can one so massively over-insure a tangible — in this case the WTC’s — and then cash in on the policy after a completely unexpected, unlikely and unrealistic events came to pass. I.e. ‘planes’ ridiculously ‘causing’ some buildings to collapse after crashing into them and — as a bonus — even more ridiculously ‘causing’ yet other buildings, WTC-6 and 7 to self-destruct also without even crashing into them!!!

One would think the insurance adjusters, (and police) would look into such matters. If you or I pulled this off of course they would. But on 9-11 anything goes. So it seems. Not to mention the WTC’s were always public buildings and the entities directly benefiting from their demolition are entirely private!!! If that doesn’t take the ham off the hog. Do we live in a topsy-turvy world or what!! Now I really do need to up my meds!

Greetings — I think I just saw a UFO outside my window!
The Wizard In The Woods

[edit on 4/14/2007 by Wizard_In_The_Woods]