1 in 10 muslims would 'hide' a terrorist!

Why am I even debating this with you? Your position is held by very few people and isn't even worth my time trying to change your opinion.... the bottom line is, Islam as a whole is a peaceful religion, just like the others. A small percentage of them carry out terrorist acts in the name of Islam, which means they're not really Muslims to begin with. The same with the Christians of the IRA. If you feel like pursuing this particular subject, at least inform yourself and take some religion classes. Your apparent level of grammar is so low, I doubt you even went to college, let alone done any serious studying of the religions of the world. Others have and they strongly disagree with you. But persist if you must....

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First, I would like to thank you for the personal attacks. Second, in the Koran it calls for the murder of jews so how is that peaceful? And yes, say what you want about Bush and Israel killing people but they haven't done anything on the basis of religion. The Muslim extremists have clearly stated their goals are based on Islam. Therefore, the only religion condoning terrorism is Islam.

[edit on 9/24/06 by pugachev]

Originally posted by pugachev
First, I would like to thank you for the personal attacks. Second, in the Koran it calls for the murder of jews so how is that peaceful?

You need to read the tasfeer(historic information which explains parts of the quran in context and provides a historical explenation to what each verse in the quran was talking about.). The "attacks" against jews are not any jews but muslims where ordered to defend themselves multiple times against incomming forces who attacked them or those who launched raides against them.

I would not even dignify islam by calling it a religion,it is more of a very scary cult,and we all know how cults attract all manner of nutcases and misfits.
You liberals need to WAKE UP.We are at war with these people and believe me if they get their way all your hippy,peacenik policies will get us all killed!

Why am I even debating this with you? Your position is held by very few people and isn't even worth my time trying to change your opinion.... the bottom line is, Islam as a whole is a peaceful religion, just like the others. A small percentage of them carry out terrorist acts in the name of Islam, which means they're not really Muslims to begin with. The same with the Christians of the IRA. If you feel like pursuing this particular subject, at least inform yourself and take some religion classes. Your apparent level of grammar is so low, I doubt you even went to college, let alone done any serious studying of the religions of the world. Others have and they strongly disagree with you. But persist if you must....

I think you need to stop with your personal attacks on other members, who have a different opinion from you. It is uncalled for.

Weither you agree or not, individuals are using Islam, to further their violent believes. And it is wrong. Anyone who uses religion to further their voilent believes, have no right being in that religion.

But saying that, would you withhold information, if you knew someone was about to strap, bombs to themselves and kill innocent people?

It should not be innocent people who are targeted. Iit should be the Head of Governments that are targeted.

Originally posted by srt10
You liberals need to WAKE UP.We are at war with these people and believe me if they get their way all your hippy,peacenik policies will get us all killed!

No, YOU are at war with these people... I have no problem with people of the Islamic faith. It is YOU are are uneducated and ignorant enough to be scared into blindly accepting this pathetic 'war on terror' which is nothing but a frontal assualt on the middle-east for oil and territorial gains. The terrorists that you people are so afraid of aren't Muslims, they're hijackers of the Islamic faith.... and every day that we're over there, slaughtering innocent people 'in the name of freedom' that's one more successful day of recruiting for the bad guys. You will never defeat them because you fail to realize that our soldiers actions and presence over there are sustaining the terrorists' cause. Until you get that, more of our soldiers will be killed... and that blood is on YOUR hands, not mine.

Hey firebat,why dont you move to france,the USA does not like people like you!

Originally posted by spencerjohnstone
I think you need to stop with your personal attacks on other members, who have a different opinion from you. It is uncalled for.

Weither you agree or not, individuals are using Islam, to further their violent believes. And it is wrong. Anyone who uses religion to further their voilent believes, have no right being in that religion.

But saying that, would you withhold information, if you knew someone was about to strap, bombs to themselves and kill innocent people?

It should not be innocent people who are targeted. Iit should be the Head of Governments that are targeted.

First off... I have personally attacked no one. I've merely pointed out the apparent ignorance and xenophobia of some of the members on ATS...

Second, when did I ever say that what these terrorists are doing ISN'T wrong? Did I ever say that? I just realize that their cause is fueled by the war on terror, not diminished by it. I absolutely agree that these people are wrong... and they're hijacking a religion to accomplish their fanatical goals. I do not dispute that.

Third, why would I withhold information if I knew that someone was about to strap a bomb to themself and set it off? Why on EARTH would I do that?

Fourth... again, I've never said that innocent people should be targeted... and I'm just as against that as you are, if not more.

Well since when we are now at war against Islam and the muslin world?

No matter what many opinions are about Islam, it is a religion and is not different from the devastating and horrifying beginnings of Christianity when you either convert or die.

Funny how the tables change and now we are fighting what it was allowed under christianity.

People, you need to get back to the topic.

Originally posted by Mcphisto
Saying that, if I knew of a Catholic on his way to blow up a known terrorist mosque, I'd say nothing too!

Then you, sir, have absolutely nothing to complain about with respect to these 1 in 10 Muslims for you are exactly the same as they are. So your point is what exactly? That you have absolutely no basis to criticise a fraction of the British muslim population for something you yourself would do as well?

Originally posted by marg6043
People, you need to get back to the topic.

1 out of 10 Muslims in the UK would hide a terrorist.

My response to that is two years ago, 6 of 10 Americans would re-elect a terrorist as their president.

What's the difference?

Keep the discussion on the topic and not each other.

I'll also take this time to ask you all to review this link.
Effective IMMEDIATELY

Thank you.

Yes, "the beginnings ofchristanity" almost 1000 yrs ago!
islam has not contributed ANYTHING positive to the world for almost 1000 yrs. If y,all can think of 1 contibution to civilized socioty from islam I would love to hear it.
Go ahead prove me wrong!

This is very worrying.

1 in 10 muslims saying they would hide a terrorist is the same as 10% of muslims supporting terrorism and 10% is tens of thousands of muslims who support terrorism in the UK alone.

This is why I say ALL muslims should be removed from the UK. Not all may support terrorism but how do you know which ones do and which ones dont?

Anyone supporting terrorism shouldnt be allowed to reside in the UK.

Originally posted by Mcphisto
I cant say this surprises me about the type of muslim people living for free in the UK! i know they aint all the same and 9 out of 10 would help the police, but considering there are millions of muslims, 1 outa 10 is a bloody lot!

from ananova.com
Almost one in 10 British Muslims would not inform police if they suspected that someone of the same faith was involved in a terror attack, a poll suggested.

The ICM poll for the News of the World found 9% of the 502 questioned would not tell police if they had such suspicions about a fellow Muslim.

With a Muslim population aged over 16 in Britain of around one million, that would translate to 90,000 "turning a blind eye", the newspaper said.

Saying that, if I knew of a Catholic on his way to blow up a known terrorist mosque, I'd say nothing too!

Ananova.com



McP

I find it interesting to look at the numbers at play in the article. More than 9 out of 10 people said they would not "turn a blind eye" and if you read further in the article 86% said they would notify the police. So basically 910,000 people wouldn't be willing to do so and 860,000 would notify police of suspicious activity. The news article however still gets written from a negative persepective and given a headline "1 in 10 Muslims Ignore Terro" ... how is that fair/impartial reporting?

How does polling 502 people purtend to represent the sentiments of a 1 million member community? How do these figures compare to a national average? Numbers taken abstractly tell us nothing. This article could have just as easily been written to show how supportive the majority of the community polled is in supporting the police and governments intentions to root out terror cells.

There are laws against harboring and assisting criminals ... they are there because there are people out there that would help.

I am still waiting for the long list of islams contibutions to the world. I guess im in for a long night...

Originally posted by srt10
Hey firebat,why dont you move to france,the USA does not like people like you!

Yeah firebat, how DARE you disagree!

NAUGHTEH!

Originally posted by srt10
I am still waiting for the long list of islams contibutions to the world. I guess im in for a long night...

How about we keep to the topic of the thread like I asked instead of derailing it?

i don't know about british muslims, but i know about middle east muslims and i know they wouldn't hide terrorists in there homes. maybe only every .001-.01 would do so, but that's all.... and it's all because of the war in Iraq and the recent war in Lebanon. all this destruction brought on the middle east from western powers and israel have brought much unneeded resentment to the west in the middle east....

Originally posted by srt10
I am still waiting for the long list of islams contibutions to the world. I guess im in for a long night...

Wow .. you're a little close-minded, no? Do you honestly think that one of the oldest areas of the world has made no contributions. I'm assuming by contribution you mean scientifically. Had you chosen to do some research you would have found a wealth of information.

No one should need to provide you with a "long list" when you can go compile your own list relatively easily. Do a google search and see what you come up with. Here's one link that you can use that shows the start of Algebra and in 813 AD are believed to have built the first astronomical observatory.

Islam Pioneers of Science

Besides this topic is about the fact that a minority of muslims in the UK would hide terrorist.

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