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Originally posted by ULTIMA1
So can you show us the report that the part numbers on those parts found match flight 77s registration number.
Originally posted by ULTIMA1
So you can show me reports of an investigation and where the parts were taken for reconstruction, even though the NTSB is not going to show any reports to the public due to the FBI being in control of the investigation.
NTSB reports showing that they will not release informtion to the public :
www.ntsb.gov...
www.ntsb.gov...
www.ntsb.gov...
www.ntsb.gov...
Originally posted by jab712
Originally posted by ULTIMA1
So you can show me reports of an investigation and where the parts were taken for reconstruction, even though the NTSB is not going to show any reports to the public due to the FBI being in control of the investigation.
Why wouldn't it be necessary? Here's why....1 plane missing in certain area, then there is indication of a crash, pieces of the plane and what have you. It isn't like 20 planes crashed that day in that area. The order of events as well as what they were able to track with radar (or whatever it is called) could only lead to one conclusion...that flight 77 landed into the pentagon. Why would they need to match part numbers with flight registration numbers? It seems like uncessary work. Why spend money when it isn't necessary.
Just my thought.
www.9-11commission.gov...
By law, the FBI becomes the lead investigative agency when airline crashes are the result of a criminal act, and the NTSB provides support when requested. However, the families were advised by FBI officials that the FBI is investigating only the terrorists. Why, then, have we heard nothing from the NTSB?
According to Mary Schiavo, former Inspector General of the Department of
Transportation, "In every single aviation disaster, whether there was criminal activity or not, in every single one in the course of aviation history it has been followed -- not only where necessary a national criminal investigation -- but also a National Transportation Safety [Board] investigation into what went wrong in the aviation system so that it never happens again." NTSB experts would examine flight and data recorders, and ATC radar tracking data, as well as evaluate thetranscripts of air controller-pilot conversations and study air traffic control service on September 11th. They would have also collected airframe wreckage at the scenes and interviewed eye witnesses.
[edit on 16-10-2006 by ULTIMA1]
Originally posted by ULTIMA1
So can you show us the report that the part numbers on those parts found match flight 77s registration number.
Originally posted by ULTIMA1
So you can show me reports of an investigation and where the parts were taken for reconstruction, even though the NTSB is not going to show any reports to the public due to the FBI being in control of the investigation.
NTSB reports showing that they will not release informtion to the public :
www.ntsb.gov...
www.ntsb.gov...
www.ntsb.gov...
www.ntsb.gov...
Originally posted by ULTIMA1
www.9-11commission.gov...
By law, the FBI becomes the lead investigative agency when airline crashes are the result of a criminal act, and the NTSB provides support when requested. However, the families were advised by FBI officials that the FBI is investigating only the terrorists. Why, then, have we heard nothing from the NTSB? […]
Transportation, "In every single aviation disaster, whether there was criminal activity or not, in every single one in the course of aviation history it has been followed -- not only where necessary a national criminal investigation -- but also a National Transportation Safety [Board] investigation into what went wrong in the aviation system so that it never happens again." NTSB experts would examine flight and data recorders, and ATC radar tracking data, as well as evaluate thetranscripts of air controller-pilot conversations and study air traffic control service on September 11th. They would have also collected airframe wreckage at the scenes and interviewed eye witnesses.
Originally posted by jab712
Ultima,
You asked this…..
Originally posted by ULTIMA1
So can you show us the report that the part numbers on those parts found match flight 77s registration number.
The information on these reports is not being released, as you posted….
I will concur that an investigation happens with every aircraft incident and/or crash. I will further concur that the details of these mandatory reports for the 9/11 flights have not been released to the public.
However, I will not concur that it is standard procedure for them to match part numbers of the plane pieces with the flight registration number. I just don’t see it on the reports on the query link I provided. I also don’t see a reconstruction of the plane as a standard practice in an investigation (if that is in fact what you are suggesting should have been done.) I did ask for clarification, but did not get an answer. So, I can only assume that is what you mean.
Originally posted by ULTIMA1
Well if you look back at most aviation incidents there is always a reconstruction done, if its a accident or a crime.
An example would be flight 800, it started out as an aciident scene but became a crime scene when thier was a report of a missile.
The plane hit the water at very high speed exploded and small piecies were spread out all over the bottom of the ocean. It took navy divers months to collest peices but they did a reconstruction to try to find the cause of the accident.
Part of this recontruction would be to match parts to the plane to make sure they have the right parts.
IF you read the last line of the quote i made it states that NTSb would have collected parts to identify and do a reconstruction.
Quote:
"They would have also collected airframe wreckage at the scenes and interviewed eye witnesses."
[edit on 17-10-2006 by ULTIMA1]
Originally posted by ULTIMA1
Well if you look back at most aviation incidents there is always a reconstruction done, if its a accident or a crime.
[edit on 17-10-2006 by ULTIMA1]
These guys have published classified government information that has completely damaged the war on terrorism.
Originally posted by johnlear
Originally posted by snoopy
Snoopy, I respectfully ask how you damage a war? Thanks.
The War on terrorism is not a literal war like the korean war, it's more of a political effort/movement.
Originally posted by johnlear
Snoopy, let me respectfully suggest that the war on terrorism is a gigantic hoax perpetrated by those whose real agenda is uncertain but whose efforts so far have claimed the lives of over 12,000 American soldiers and 655,000 Iraqi's. The bottom line is did we have to kill all of those people to conduct our war on terrrorism? Did we get any terrorists? Do you think it was worth it?
Jab >> Terral, Emulsion here has an excellent point here. Let's just say, that you are right and it was a missile. I am going to pretend for a moment that the gray/white blob on the right is in fact a missile and that you have convinced me with all of your technical evidence of a missile..... The official story says, along with at least a hundred witnesses, that it was a plane. (let's not argue what kind of plane and whatnot) Flight 77 is "supposedly" what hit the Pentagon. What happened to Flight 77 and the people on board?
Jab >> While your technical evidence of a missile could very well make sense, you haven't explained what the heck happened to flight 77 and the people on board. Which would make this theory...half baked. You have only half of the issue covered. In order for your theory to be more concrete, you would require the other half of the equation explained in as much detail.
Jab >> You discount the passengers aboard the "alleged" plane because your technical evidence shows to you (and others) a missile. However, you need to be able to dispute all of it, not just some of it. You may say that the evidence of a missile in itself disputes the existence of Flight 77. But it doesn't because there is a passenger list, there are eye witnesses to the plane, etc. (Yes, i will come back with some links).
Jab >> I will admit, again, that there is something fishy going on. I just can't swallow the missile theory unless you have a good explanation for the rest of it. I am all ears (eyes)
The true terrorists are pulling the strings of the Bush Administration and the Department of Defense among other Government Agencies and they murdered many Americans in cold blood on 9/11 in order to give their ‘Cover Story’ the semblance of credibility. To figure out the whole story we must accurately identify the true ‘evidence’ in this case and follow the trail back to the real bad guys. You want to treat this case like we have achieved a ‘destination,’ when in truth all we are doing here is pointing to the ‘journey’ ahead. Every American that looks over the evidence in this Pentagon Case to realize there is “NO 100 TON JETLINER” takes us one step closer to tracking down the true terrorists working behind the scenes right now to do this to us again!
GL see the truth,
Terral
Jab >> John, I really don't want to seem disrespectful, but that is a copout. It is an easy way for you to try to rationalize something that doesn't make sense.
Snoopy >> I already posted pictures. There's tons of testimony. There's DNA testing. What more do you want? What more could possibly convince you? Perhaps the passengers surviving the crash and signing autographs? All you are doing is believing a conspiracy theory that has no evidence that you are shoving down our throats.
Originally posted by snoopy
And of course no one has made the argument that the media is controlled by the government, but since it's an inevitable argument, I thought I would address it in advance.
Originally posted by Terral
Please try to place yourself into the shoes of the “Missile” Explanation people for just one minute and tell me what you see in this picture of the Pentagon on 9/11.
www.worldnewsstand.net...
Originally posted by Terral
Where is all this PLANE debris everyone talks about?
Originally posted by Terral
The bottom picture shows a single hole and not the silhouette of a 100 Ton Jetliner 155 feet long, 125 feet wide and almost 50 feet tall.
www.worldnewsstand.net...
Where is there any room for 100 Tons of Jetliner above the spools and below the red line of the 1st floor ceiling????
Originally posted by Terral
You are talking to John like the PLANE Theory people have a single photo of 100 Tons of Jetliner in their hip pocket, when the facts in the case reveal NOBODY on this planet has any such thing. Try to rationalize the PLANE Theory, when that makes no sense whatsoever! All I see is a bunch of flatlanders agreeing, “Yep, these round earth theorists are nuts - because everyone knows we would fall off the earth!”
Originally posted by johnlear
Originally posted by jab712
I see your point. You believe it even though there is a huge loose end.
Thank you for your understanding.
However, because I, Emulsion, as well as many others, do not accept the loose end, does not make us wrong in believing it was not a missile...correct?
Correct.
Also, let me make sure I understand this as well, because YOU don't need to know what happened to the passengers does this no way mean that the discussion is no longer up for debate. Correct?
This discussion is always open for debate particularly with people llike yourself who are just interested in finding out the truth.
Originally posted by ANOK
Originally posted by snoopy
And of course no one has made the argument that the media is controlled by the government, but since it's an inevitable argument, I thought I would address it in advance.
This is again where you miss the point. The press isn't literally controlled by the government. It's just that most government connected news comes from press releases from, and written by, the government. Journalists are not given the opportunity to investigate these events. That's how they control, at the most basic level, what is released.
You should read some history of the press, especially during wartime.
'The Violent Decade' by Frank Gervasi is a good one. WWII American correspondent in Europe. Explains very well how the press is controlled, and things haven't changed much since then.