Pentagon Struck By Enhanced SLCM/BGM-109A Tomahawk Missile

Originally posted by they see ALL

even more questions:

why not just use that bomb (like you say mr lear) and nothing more and state that somehow a "terrorist" got inside and blew himself up

that's what i would have done if i were this "most evil of planning evil acts person"...

Most of the personnel at the Pentagon where "not in on it" so it would not be believable the 'somehow a terrorist" got inside. The Pentagon is one of the most secure buildings in the world if not the most secure. The act had to be believable to all.

by the way, where do you get your info from???

Obviously not where you get yours.

Originally posted by they see ALL
even more questions:

why not just use that bomb (like you say mr lear) and nothing more and state that somehow a "terrorist" got inside and blew himself up

that's what i would have done if i were this "most evil of planning evil acts person"...

by the way, where do you get your info from???

And who would believe that the most secured location in the world(if you think different then you are being spoon-fed some serious bull) was an easy access for Islamic terrorists? You mean like they had easy access to that highly secured military based which contained that strand to the Anthrax virus that was going around? Funny how that situation stopped as soon as it was told that it was an American scientist who obtain it. No correalation into FRAMING MUSLIMS huh?

If you believe that some caveman can gain easy access into our tax-paying military HEADQUARTERS than who is really the fools in this whole 9/11 scenario?

No way in blue hell could anyone call us THE MIGHTIEST in the WORLD if that's what indeed happen.

Picture that.

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Originally posted by johnlear

Obviously not where you get yours.

Sorry they see ALL, that was rude of me. Possibly you don't know anything about my career. Over a span of 40 years a flew many interesting places and met many interesting people. I flew many secret missions for the CIA during which I learned nothing except that which pertained to that particular flight and which had nothing to do with anything we are currently discussing. However I did make a lot of friends, many of whom are still very well informed on whats going on. Through those contacts and others I keep a very reliable and informed view on U.S. and world affairs. Please accept my apologies for my previous flippant answer.

Originally posted by Terral

Yes. We can provide them pictures of the Missile, the white vapor trail and the white explosion and they still must run back to the ‘passengers’ that have nothing to do with any Missile at all.

That's not true. Personally, if I saw such photographic evidence, there would be no further debate, and I believe that most people (at least those here at ATS) would follow suit, because that's what we do.

It is difficult to simply accept that your opinion is wrong and you have been duped by the DoD and Bush Administration, even when no 100 Ton Jetliner exists in any of the evidence.

It's equally difficult to accept the missile theory, because no missile exists in any of the evidence. But passenger DNA does exist, according to coroner reports. You can blow this off as government BS, I wouldn't put it past our government to have the ability and manpower, but until there's contrary evidence, all you've got is conjecture.

I believe America is ready to live under a Fascist Dictator and Martial Law by the testimony of these PLANE Theorists.

Because people are willing to take the little evidence they've got access to and form an opinion around it, we're ready for fascism and martial law? I'd like to hear an expansive explanation to this, preferable not a parrot of the latest Alex Jones film.

One of the owners (Springer) has taken a personal interest in me and now is harassing me every day with something...

Yeah, Springer's got nothing better to do than harass you. I'm sure the movement of your posts has nothing to do with the ToS. Springer must be in on the fascist martial law movement and he's hiding your evidence. You are a brave person to fight against him, Terral.

If I were provided evidence of something, I might not like it, but I wouldn't refuse to believe it. Why else would I be here?

Provide evidence that a missile hit the pentagon. Do this, and I am with you, along with everyone else you uses logic to form an opinion. But unlike previous posters have stated, the burden of proof isn't on those who think a plane hit the pentagon, it's on those who claim otherwise. That's reality; eyewitnesses, debris, and coroner reports prove it was the plane. Find better evidence that doesn't base itself on simply dismissing everything you don't like as bogus.

Johnlear said:

PisTonZOR, was this image your 'plenty of evidence? This was your evidence of a 250,000 pound airplane crashing into the Pentagon? That little scrap of aluminum?

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Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999

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Thats it? A strut, a compressor case and a wheel. From a 250,000 pound airplane?
Maybe the rest of it liquefied? Thanks for the input Swampfox.

Umm no, it was a lot more than that. But I understand you not wanting to acknowledge things that prove it was a 757 that hit.

Swampfox...

This is what I'd like to see pics of...

Engine/compressor case...1 per engine
Rotor shaft....3 per
Rotor hubs...17 per (we've seen one)
Wheels...9...(we've seen one)

And how did those pieces of the fuselage manage to survive, without a scratch or burn mark, the initial impact and explosion?

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999

Umm no, it was a lot more than that. But I understand you not wanting to acknowledge things that prove it was a 757 that hit.

Swampfox, show me a piece of the airplane that you couldn't cart from the Pentagon freight delivery ramp to the crashed area with a fork lift. Thanks.

Ah, I see the "they planted the wreckage" argument is still alive and well. Hard to believe anyone thinks that with all the witnesses who were there when it happened. They would have noticed forklifts dropping off the pieces.

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999

Ah, I see the "they planted the wreckage" argument is still alive and well. Hard to believe anyone thinks that with all the witnesses who were there when it happened. They would have noticed forklifts dropping off the pieces.

You do understand, Swampfox, that this was planned years in advance? I'm not sure what you mean here, though. You mean dropping off the pieces AFTER the crash?

No. No, swampfox, they put the parts in there BEFORE the crash. You see. they had to make it look like the airplane crashed IN the Pentagon. If they hauled in the parts AFTER the crash in would have looked too suspicious.

has there been anyone from Air Traffic Control said anything about an aircraft hitting the Pentagon or otherwise?

Have the radar tapes ever been shown on TV?

Also, why was a building of such importance not protected by a sam site anyway?

Johnlear said:

No. No, swampfox, they put the parts in there BEFORE the crash. You see. they had to make it look like the airplane crashed IN the Pentagon. If they hauled in the parts AFTER the crash in would have looked too suspicious

Except for the fact that the majority of the pictures of wreckage I posted...WERE OUTSIDE the Pentagon

Originally posted by Terral
Hi John:

John >> See what I mean?

Yes. We can provide them pictures of the Missile, the white vapor trail and the white explosion and they still must run back to the ‘passengers’ that have nothing to do with any Missile at all. It is difficult to simply accept that your opinion is wrong and you have been duped by the DoD and Bush Administration, even when no 100 Ton Jetliner exists in any of the evidence. I believe America is ready to live under a Fascist Dictator and Martial Law by the testimony of these PLANE Theorists.

One of the owners (Springer) has taken a personal interest in me and now is harassing me every day with something. He will likely come in here and move this thread to SomeWhereElseVille like he did all of my Christian work from the Religions room. Good for him. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, I have found somewhere else to spend my time. The true terrorists are working behind the scenes through a shadow government that manipulates our elected officials. They are developing their cover story for a well placed nuke to strike somewhere in California and probably a twin cities location like Oakland using similar smoke screen tactics we see at the Pentagon. Everyone here should prepare themselves to live under the chaos perpetuated by these behind the scenes terrorists bringing in their New World Order. People like Springer would rather you stay sound asleep.

GL, it’s been real,

Terral

now that is funny ! So Terall is just crazy.

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Originally posted by johnlear
Sorry they see ALL

hey, no problem

i can see that coming here on ATS and posting ideas that are hard to believe (well, to those that are not well informed) is a tough job...

i would get frustrated if i had this task, but someone must do it

actually, i am a believer in the 9/11 conspiracy (in case you didn't notice)

i wish i had your contacts...

anyway, thanks for coming to ATS and sharing your ideas about this and your information on aliens

Originally posted by johnlear
Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999

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Thats it? A strut, a compressor case and a wheel. From a 250,000 pound airplane?
Maybe the rest of it liquefied? Thanks for the input Swampfox.

Are you suggesting that the only way it would be possible, is if someone had a web site that had pictures of every single peice of a disintigrated plane posted? How many plane crashes do you know about that has a web site that shows every single last piece of debris from the crash? And how many of those were from planes that crashed full speed into concrete?

Here's the thing. We have provided photographoic evidence of the plane. Photographic evidence of the passengers. DNA evidence of the passengers. Photos of passenger belongings. Eyewitness testimony of the plane hitting the building. Sceintific studies done showing how the plane liquified and caused the damage pattern left.

None of that is worth anything to you guys. But instead, you guys have presented an alternate theory which has no evidence, no phontos, no nothing to prove it. So I am having a hard time understanding how some of you are so dismissive of the evidence when in place of it there is none.

One of the argument is that it would be too difficult to fly. And while My Lear certianly has the cridentials to make that claim, there are other equally qualified pilots who claim just the opposite. So while Mr Lear's take is 100% valid, it is not the only credible opinion on the matter.

So basically it doesn't really seem to matter what the evidence is. Evidence optional.

I would still like to know how a missle managed to hit the light poles which were not in a straight path, and how it managed to hit the generator and air shaft on the sides of the impact. I think everyone is avoiding this question because even though we are ignoring and dismissing all evivdence, this one even conjecture has a hard time expaining.

I would once again also like to point out the recent plane crash in NYC. Notice how The damage to the building in no way has an entrence hole big enough to fit a plane? Just like with the Pentagon. And for the same reason. The plane simply does not puncture a hold the shape of the plane like in Bugs Bunny cartoons. There's no wing marks, no tail marks, just empty window holes with fire.

And again, it's too hard to program a remote controlled plane to hit the Pentagon, but not a missle that can zig zag around and do 180 dgree turns at 500 mph which don't show up on the video people claim is a missle?

Forgive me for being skeptical, but this is a bit much to believe.

Originally posted by snoopy

Are you suggesting that the only way it would be possible, is if someone had a web site that had pictures of every single peice of a disintigrated plane posted? How many plane crashes do you know about that has a web site that shows every single last piece of debris from the crash? And how many of those were from planes that crashed full speed into concrete?

Here's the thing. We have provided photographoic evidence of the plane. Photographic evidence of the passengers. DNA evidence of the passengers. Photos of passenger belongings. Eyewitness testimony of the plane hitting the building. Sceintific studies done showing how the plane liquified and caused the damage pattern left.

None of that is worth anything to you guys. But instead, you guys have presented an alternate theory which has no evidence, no phontos, no nothing to prove it. So I am having a hard time understanding how some of you are so dismissive of the evidence when in place of it there is none.

One of the argument is that it would be too difficult to fly. And while My Lear certianly has the cridentials to make that claim, there are other equally qualified pilots who claim just the opposite. So while Mr Lear's take is 100% valid, it is not the only credible opinion on the matter.

So basically it doesn't really seem to matter what the evidence is. Evidence optional.

I would still like to know how a missle managed to hit the light poles which were not in a straight path, and how it managed to hit the generator and air shaft on the sides of the impact. I think everyone is avoiding this question because even though we are ignoring and dismissing all evivdence, this one even conjecture has a hard time expaining.

I would once again also like to point out the recent plane crash in NYC. Notice how The damage to the building in no way has an entrence hole big enough to fit a plane? Just like with the Pentagon. And for the same reason. The plane simply does not puncture a hold the shape of the plane like in Bugs Bunny cartoons. There's no wing marks, no tail marks, just empty window holes with fire.

And again, it's too hard to program a remote controlled plane to hit the Pentagon, but not a missle that can zig zag around and do 180 dgree turns at 500 mph which don't show up on the video people claim is a missle?

Forgive me for being skeptical, but this is a bit much to believe.

You are forgiven. And thanks for asking!

ANOK said:

And how did those pieces of the fuselage manage to survive, without a scratch or burn mark, the initial impact and explosion?

Did you miss that most of them are crumpled? Im pretty sure if you looked at them you might find a scratch or two amongst the bend, folded, multilated parts..........

As for no burn marks...are you sure? you can really tell that from internet photos? I dont think so. The fact that many of the upper fuselage pieces were found OUTSIDE the Pentagon means that they werent exposed to fire for long.

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
ANOK said:

And how did those pieces of the fuselage manage to survive, without a scratch or burn mark, the initial impact and explosion?

Did you miss that most of them are crumpled? Im pretty sure if you looked at them you might find a scratch or two amongst the bend, folded, multilated parts..........

As for no burn marks...are you sure? you can really tell that from internet photos? I dont think so. The fact that many of the upper fuselage pieces were found OUTSIDE the Pentagon means that they werent exposed to fire for long.

So can you show us the report that the part numbers on those parts found match flight 77s registration number.

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
As for no burn marks...are you sure?

Bro, if you can see burn marks, or any other sign that those pieces of aluminum were involved in an explosion, that supposedly liquefied the wings and then turn tons of aluminum and other metals into a pile about as big as a missile, then pls point it out to me, thanx...

Are you sure? Because no, I'm not. That's why I ask questions and don't ignore anything. No I'm not sure, because there are so many holes in the official version of the events of 9-11 you could fit 100 757's through it, wings engines and yes, the vertical stabilizer.

So no, I'm not sure. Are you?