John Lear's Moon Pictures on ATS

reply to post by nablator


nablator, I'd like to to see structures, etc....anything to convince me that something unusual really exists on the Moon, or even on Mars...or any other planet/moon in our Solar System.

Just one shred of evidence...just one!! Please!

Originally posted by nablator
I'd like to see pipes, tunnels or anything unusual. Where are the "structures"?

Pipes Copernicus #1





'Crane' Copernicus #2





Same 'Crane' Copernicus #5 View from above





'Control Valve' Copernicus #1





'Transit Tube' Copernicus #2






If you cannot see 'something unusual' in these then I cannot help you

Here is the areas from Jack's Tsiolkowsky's page... these are not specks of dust or scratches





And here is one on Eros... the Asteroid



All these images are very clear to many, yet many others see absolutely nothing... Why this is i do not know... Perhaps if you sat here at my monitor we could figure it out... but as it stands we can do nothing more than show what we see... and hope you can get your mind around the scale




[edit on 20-3-2008 by zorgon]

reply to post by rikriley


Of course you do. Every single photo of anything posted on ATS you have the same comments. They're all littered with tons of alien life forms and humanoids and whatever, but you need a magnifying glass and you need to be able to train your eyes to see them right. Let's ignore the fact that a magnifying glass doesn't clarify resolution. These pictures are of a finite resolution and a magnifying glass doesn't do anything Photoshop can't do by simply zooming in, and sir, there is nothing there.

If you're seening thousands of humanoids and aliens in every picture you see on ATS, you may wanna step back and think about the fact that you might have some psychological issues my friend.

reply to post by rocksarerocks


I feel sorry for you rock that you do not see what I see in many of the photos presented here on ATS. When you point your finger at some one that you do not know and say they might have psychological issues remember this, you have 3 fingers pointing right back at yourself.

As far as resolution I use high quality optics to bend and stretch the images which helps me better locate anomalies. Did I state how many thousands of humanoids I see in the photos I do not think so?

Did it ever occur to you that some individuals have the gift or are trained to see anomalies that you can not. Keep on viewing photos from the Earth's Moon, Mars, Venus, Mercury and the many moons of the planets in our Solar System. Maybe someday you will learn or see something new under, over and away from the Sun. Rik Riley




[edit on 21-3-2008 by rikriley]

reply to post by rikriley


Sorry rik, I have to side with 'rocks' here, in that nothing the esteemed 'Zorgon' posted is convincing evidence. The pics are simply not to the resolution needed to discern details, sorry.

If I can make a comparison...people have always seen shapes; in clouds, in mountains, in pizzas....in doors, in trees....it goes on and on.

Our species evolved to recognize faces....we know faces....they are ingrained into our brains. We, as a species, are visually strong, unlike other species that are scent-strong. You see? Our development allowed our visual skills to tamp down our odor skills, along with the specialization of our hands, the upper limbs. Since we learned to walk on two feet, our lower limbs...our brains, as they evolved, were part of this change.

We share 98% of DNA with Chimpanzees...ever wonder why? Because we have a common ancestor....I will bet that a Chimp will recognize another Chimp very easily. Based not only on face, but probably also on smell.

Guess what? Most humans will look at a bunch of chimps, of about the same age, and will not be able to, at first glance, be able to recognize their faces. YET, take these same humans, and show them pictures of human faces...the ability to recognize those faces is exponentially greater!! How to explain this? Simple...we evolved, within our own species, and these traits and abilities were re-inforced. Just as it works in other species' development.

NOW...why do some of us see something in a picture of the Moon, when others don't? It is just a simple example of 'pattern recognition', in my opionon. Something that we evolved with, as did many many other species.....

Originally posted by zorgon
Same 'Crane' Copernicus #5 View from above

Did you ever thought of looking for that crane (and the other "objects") in other photos?

Like in 5156_h1, for example. If I am not mistaken, the image bellow shows the same "crane".

reply to post by zorgon


Thanks for posting these images Zorgon. Jack sees pipelines, I don't, that's why I asked where they are. Do you see them? Or is he the only one seeing them?
About the two white patterns I like very much what he says (on your website too!) about enlarging these small details too much:

And I've seen some web sites that claim these patterns are bases. They are not.
It's too bad some people manipulate photos to "enhance" the area. And when it doesn't look quite real enough, all boundaries are crossed in the name of sensationalism and authenticity. And no matter how many sets of letters are behind someone's name, detail can't be created by making it bigger than it was meant to be viewed. If the original photo doesn't show any detail at just 100%, there isn't any!
The more you enlarge any photo, the less detail you have and more pixilation at the same time, resulting in shapes seemingly taking on transmutations but usually with some help. The same goes for hi-res scans of lo-res photo negatives.

They could be "Underground Mining and Processing Sites" or ... something else. The problem is, everyone sees different things, related to their own experience. The Moon is a giant Rorschach test. Jack, with his background in mining operations, sees guess what - a mining operation. In the Copernicus LO pictures, "Aladdin's Lamp" really stood out to me, not the other structures in your last post - sorry. Some are obvious to everyone - the "Garage", maybe, some are not.

Seeing in 3D is not a rare gift. Almost everyone does it all the time. But if you can't confirm the 3D shape of the structure you think you are seeing from multiple images with different points of view and lighting conditions, it probably isn't there.

Even if the 3D shape is confirmed, I've seen columnar basalt on Earth looking like a giant church organ, and a natural formation in the mountains looking like a castle, with towers and walls, so how do we know if it's artificial or not?

Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by nablator

 

nablator, I'd like to to see structures, etc....anything to convince me that something unusual really exists on the Moon, or even on Mars...or any other planet/moon in our Solar System.

Just one shred of evidence...just one!! Please!

On the Moon, nothing convincing so far IMHO - sorry.

On Mars Sherpa noticed this VERY unusual beast in the recent
"Some images from Mars" thread.



Crack in the rock? Hard to believe. While I'm very impressed, no one else seems to be excited about it. Guess I'm yet another victim of paraeidolia.

reply to post by nablator


Had to add a long-overdue star for you, nablator!!

Not only for your post, but for your amazing avatar!!!

Awesome!

Tim...WW

Originally posted by rocksarerocks
reply to post by rikriley

 

Of course you do. Every single photo of anything posted on ATS you have the same comments. They're all littered with tons of alien life forms and humanoids and whatever, but you need a magnifying glass and you need to be able to train your eyes to see them right. Let's ignore the fact that a magnifying glass doesn't clarify resolution. These pictures are of a finite resolution and a magnifying glass doesn't do anything Photoshop can't do by simply zooming in, and sir, there is nothing there.

If you're seening thousands of humanoids and aliens in every picture you see on ATS, you may wanna step back and think about the fact that you might have some psychological issues my friend.

RikRiley is a kind, older gentleman (not senile old, just not a spring chicken). He's not stupid, not crazy and not inept. He's well to do and successful. He has very sharp vision. He's being completely serious when he says he sees those things and frankly, I don't think it's his imagination. I've not seen what he sees in some of the images, but I have seen some of the things in other images. So I know he's not crazy. He may be mistaking some objects for others, but he's definitely seeing objects. It took me awhile to develop the ability to see some of the things he refers to, although I've never seen the little martians, for example.

Try an experiment. Find a particularly good, high resolution image of the moon in which you can see objects that you can't identify, but which bare the markings of being at the very least, suspicious, such as geometric shapes. Now study that as if it were a piece of evidence. Look it over carefully. Sit back from it and curl up one hand and look threw it with one eye, while closing the other eye. Look at the entire image again. Look threw the top layer of the image. It's a 3dimensional object in a 2dimensional rendering but some of the 3d data can still be discerned. Learn to view these images as being 3dimensional because they are of 3d objects. The moon is three dimensional.

reply to post by ArMaP


Tssk tssk. You're being reasonable again.
Well done! I'm waiting for Zorgon to say rocks have been painted by NASA artists to hide cranes and mining equipment.

reply to post by weedwhacker


Thanks WW. I really am a red-eyed frog in real life you know.

While Internos only noticed the parallel structure on the right, I am flabberghasted at this tentacled monster or whatever it is.
It is off-topic here, but I would appreciate comments about it in the other thread. Seriously.

Close up of the anomalie in the pic

notice it's a system of tubes with a building of some sort in the backdrop

reply to post by undo


undo, regarding your 'close-up' of the 'anomalie' in the picture...huh?

Sorry, I'd like to see what you see, but what is there is, well...nothing. We need better resolution, say on the order of at least 10 cm...heck, even 100cm would help, that's one meter. (about 3 feet).

Let's run an equivalent....before Google Earth existed, we, the public, only saw blurry images of the Earth's surface. NOW, of course, we have better stuff. I can look at houses I used to own. This is the resolution I'm talking about, the kind of detail we NEED if we're going to believe these claims about structures on the Moon.

Bring one of those pics to the forum, and I quarantee I, and most of us, will stand up and take notice!!!

Originally posted by nablatorWhile I'm very impressed, no one else seems to be excited about it. Guess I'm yet another victim of paraeidolia.

I have noticed of late it is difficult to generate any excitement at ATS Makes one wonder why bother at times sigh....... Maybe I should go more for the tabloid style, you think

As to that Mars one I agree its fantastic... but this is the first I saw it.... That's what happens when you have a day job that lasts all day and team mates who forget to email you the new post



[edit on 22-3-2008 by zorgon]

Thank you for posting these here on ATS. Mr Lear's work and site is what brought me and many others to ATS in the first place. I heard about the Living Moon website about a year and a half ago, and always go back to view these most interesting and intriguing photos and insights from Mr Lear. He gave me reason to believe that things I have seen and heard of are not so far fetched after all!

Originally posted by nablator
Do you see them? Or is he the only one seeing them?

I see them just fine... and so do many others... and that 'quote' you used of Jack's ... quite frankly I am disappointed in you for twisting his words...

I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you misread or misunderstood but he was describing "Why I Think The Shapes Are Not Scanning Or Other Errors"

:shk:

The problem is, everyone sees different things, related to their own experience.

Actually no... those that see the "Giant Excavator" and other anomalies... ALL see the same thing, not something different... (of course you can always claim they see them due to suggestion... but as you see the "Garage" I would have to say BS )

You see that is the problem I have understand how you and others do not see it... just like the LLNL Physicist in San Jose who screamed loudly at a skeptic "What? Are you blind? its as plain as the nose on your face..." and he was looking at a low res copy at the time...

Oh well I will have a good look at Sherpa's "Tentacles" tomorrow when I am awake but I must say constantly having the banter with people who say they see nothing and try to convince us we are wrong ... after 256 pages... its getting stale... so we will have to agree to disagree

It is obvious that many cannot see what we see... but just the same, we cannot NOT see what we do... My daughter... who isn't in to this... can pop into the room when I have a picture I am looking at... and within a sec she will point out an anomaly that takes even me some time to spot



Time for Zzzzz's....

[edit on 22-3-2008 by zorgon]

Thanks and welcome to our Lunacy...

Now you may ask why I seem moody?

Perhaps its because of THIS "looks like" image...



I can't believe this LOL someone paid $1,350.00 for this cornflake and its not even close...

CNN
And you guys think we are nuts...


:shk:

I think my time would be better spent looking for anomalies in cereal boxes... at least the pay is better...

Originally posted by weedwhacker
...in case anyone accuses me of such a nefarious act,

Now why on Earth would anyone do that?

Originally posted by zorgon
I have noticed of late it is difficult to generate any excitement at ATS

Makes one wonder why bother at times sigh........

People shorten their attention spans as a defense mechanism when they believe someone is attempting to brainwash them. They take a cursory glance at the thread and quickly move on.

Armap's last post, a worthy attempt at discussing seriously one of your amazing finds, was not answered. Makes me wonder whether you are looking for truth or going after the tabloid style already.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me you guys (distinguished Learologists) don't want to discuss anything. You already know the truth, so why bother?

I see them just fine... and so do many others... and that 'quote' you used of Jack's ... quite frankly I am disappointed in you for twisting his words...

I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you misread or misunderstood but he was describing "Why I Think The Shapes Are Not Scanning Or Other Errors"

Nowhere did I twist words or quote anything that was not on your or Jack's web site. I quoted the part where he gives advice that you could use.