John Lear's Moon Pictures on ATS

Originally posted by greatlakes
Created a slideshow for all of the Aristarchus Images that I've collected, view it here! So far 23 Images!

...in collage format...

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Have you seen that alot of the craters shown have a different center?

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Originally posted by greatlakes

I have some fluffy cloud images for you to look at in that case, maybe you can interpret those for me...

Greatlakes, you promised me some fluffy cloud images. Are they going to be forthcoming?

The reason I need them is I am trying to prove a breathable atmosphere on the moon. This concept was originally proposed by the Danish mathematiciam Peter Andreas Hansen in the 19th Century. He had suggested that the moon's center of gravity was lopsided, so that all of the air and water on the moon had been drawn round to the farside. He speculated the the farside might even be inhabited.

His theory of a breathable atmosphere on the moon was quickly endoresed by many in the scientific community. It attracted the attention of such notables as Sir John Herschel and was used by Jules Verne as the concept for his fiction novel about the moon.

Hansen's hypothesis about a breathable atmosphere on the moon met its end around 1870 when it was questioned by Simon Newcomb. Guess who Simon Newcomb was? Simon Newcomb was a Rear Admiral in the United States Navy. Can you beat that?

Please send those 'fluffy cloud' pictures right along. Thanks.

Originally posted by Cygnific

Originally posted by greatlakes
Created a slideshow for all of the Aristarchus Images that I've collected, view it here! So far 23 Images!

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Have you seen that alot of the craters shown have a different center?

Good catch Cygnific! means you are paying attention! If you're referring to the image here: s141.photobucket.com...

You are correct and a good catch, the centers don't match Aris.C. But this is because I mistakenly put the Crater Aristillus as being an Aristarchis Crater. ooppss...

The image I believe was from: www.lpod.org...
and their interface is alphabetical, I copied the Aristillus one by accident.

I guess i'll leave the image in the slideshow for now, and delete it next update when I add some more Aris.C images....

Originally posted by johnlear
Greatlakes, you promised me some fluffy cloud images. Are they going to be forthcoming?

You mean this from my post?

The Control Valve

Again, any evidence to call this image a control valve? I have some fluffy cloud images for you to look at in that case, maybe you can interpret those for me...

I was referring to Earthbound fluffy clouds John

Originally posted by johnlear
Please send those 'fluffy cloud' pictures right along. Thanks.

Well, ok...This is your thread so if you want fluffy clouds, here they are!






Here it's that heart shaped crater! lol

Originally posted by johnlear
His theory of a breathable atmosphere on the moon was quickly endoresed by many in the scientific community. It attracted the attention of such notables as Sir John Herschel and was used by Jules Verne as the concept for his fiction novel about the moon.

Good find John, I have some history in regards to Aristarchis (the man) that I've been holding in my back pocket...But later on I suppose. Pretty interesting stuff.


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Originally posted by greatlakes
But are they the highest resolution? If it hasn't been done before, viewing the .cub (cube) files, than it is certainly a worthy effort to try. Perhaps the cube files have not been touched, pristine images..? Counting on the fact that researchers won't translate the images....

Cool project to be sure... but I know that THOSE particular .cub files are the same images. You need an algorithm to decode the real images. Sandia Labs has them, but as I understand it even having a copy of some of those algorithms could have you locked up...

But hey lets go for it! USGS also has .cub files for all the Lunar Orbiter images they have online.... its just too bad that they left out the interesting ones that we REALLY want to look at

Originally posted by zorgon
But hey lets go for it! USGS also has .cub files for all the Lunar Orbiter images they have online.... its just too bad that they left out the interesting ones that we REALLY want to look at

I stumbled onto a site that had some cub files translated into images and they were HUGE like 250 MB in size, I'll have to see if I can find it again....

Originally posted by johnlear
OK. Let me respectfully ask you to show me.

OK, this was the best I could do, I am not very good with imaging programs.

If you see only rocks or tricks of light and shadow don't worry, it happens to the best.

Originally posted by johnlear
Here ArMaP take another look. Here is an enlargement of AS8-12-2209. Now does this look like a 'splash of mud'? Does this look like "painting the ground with a layer of the material ejected from the impact."

Does this look like a case of the 'direction of the light could make them (the long narrow rays) invisible because they are not in a position to reflect light, the only characteristic that differentiates them from the rest of the ground being their bigger albedo."

Yes, that's what they look to me, that is why I said what I said.

Originally posted by greatlakes

I was referring to Earthbound fluffy clouds John

No. I don't think you were referring to earthbound clouds. You were referring to Zorgons post of the control valve. You said you could post some 'fluffy clouds' and Zorgon could interpret those meaning images from the moon.

But nice try greatleaks.

Originally posted by johnlear
No. I don't think you were referring to earthbound clouds. You were referring to Zorgons post of the control valve. You said you could post some 'fluffy clouds' and Zorgon could interpret those meaning images from the moon.

No you can't actually think I was referrring to "FLUFFY CLOUDS" images that I had from the moon could you??!! I wish I had some of those! Wonder how much those would be worth? It would be like printing press for money!

No afraid most that anyone has to our knowledge are images of puffs of vapor, or even jets of exhaust vapor in some images of the moon. I posted some that I found some posts back. I do believe there is some scant lunar atmosphere, but the evidence either is not sufficient, or does not show that any non-trivial atmosphere is present on the moon.





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Originally posted by johnlear

Hansen's hypothesis about a breathable atmosphere on the moon met its end around 1870 when it was questioned by Simon Newcomb. Guess who Simon Newcomb was? Simon Newcomb was a Rear Admiral in the United States Navy. Can you beat that?

So if there is a breathable atmosphere on the moon which I believe there to be we can trace the coverup back to the United States Navy and their disinformation agent Rear Admiral Simon Newcomb's suppression of Danish mathematician Peter Hansens hypothesis.

This means that the United States Navy has known about the breathable atmosphere on the moon all along. That means that was their operation that Gary McKinnon stumbled onto. And that explains why the Clementine photos available to the public are obviously tampered with. The United States Navy knows exactly whats up there on the moon. It's them.

Originally posted by Cygnific
Yes indeed, and if it is not one of these, it still is an anomalie which doesn't seem to fit in the area at all.

Thank you THAT is precisely the point... I believe it to be ancient mining equipment, but it may not be... But it is clearly NOT a rock or natural feature. And taken in overall context with the rest of the area...

Just simply the fact that it shouldn't be there is important, no matter what it might actually be

If my calculations are right it is about 30meter/98.5feet height. Any link to the three others perhaps?

Actually that one is closer to 250 feet, based on using an average of the three crater dimensions from sources on the web LOL (You would think they could get that much right at least) But using the NASA figures of 93 kilometers across and a depth of 3.8 km and pixel measurements its about 280 ft

The image below is the business end of a tunnel boring machine. Notice the scaffolds in the background... This one is made by a German company and is about 180 ft in diameter




I will give you the info on the other three later tonight as it requires a bit of work to point you to the locations on the Copernicus images due to the size of the anomalies. Once you have the scale set in your mind, its easier to spot them

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Originally posted by zorgon
Cool project to be sure... but I know that THOSE particular .cub files are the same images. You need an algorithm to decode the real images. Sandia Labs has them, but as I understand it even having a copy of some of those algorithms could have you locked up...

But hey lets go for it! USGS also has .cub files for all the Lunar Orbiter images they have online.... its just too bad that they left out the interesting ones that we REALLY want to look at

You reminded me of something as well. During my *ahem* rummaging thru directories and file trees all over the web in search of...I remember finding all sorts of other data formats regarding lunar images. And if I remember correctly, .cub files were present *somewhere*.

So I think if at least some of us get proficient with the cubby file translation, it at the least is a good thing. Opens up some areas of research for us.

Originally posted by greatlakes

No you can't actually think I was referrring to "FLUFFY CLOUDS" images that I had from the moon could you??!!

Yes. Thats what I thought you referring to. I think you were being facetious. And no that you've been caught, you are trying to squirm out.

I wish I had some of those! Wonder how much those would be worth? It would be like printing press for money!

Squirm greatlakes, squirm.

No afraid most that anyone has to our knowledge are images of puffs of vapor, or even jets of exhaust vapor in some images of the moon.

Check in at thelivingmoon.com. Boy, have we got a surprise for you.

I posted some that I found some posts back.

Which thread and approximate date please?

I do believe there is some scant lunar atmosphere

Good for you! So does NASA!

, but the evidence either is not sufficient, or does not show that any non-trivial atmosphere is present on the moon.

You haven't been paying attention greatlakes. I refer you to the Lick Observatory photo with the explosion to the northwest of Endymion taken in 1946.

Say, you aren't with the Navy are you?

Originally posted by johnlear
Here ArMaP take another look. Here is an enlargement of AS8-12-2209. Now does this look like a 'splash of mud'? Does this look like "painting the ground with a layer of the material ejected from the impact."

Does this look like a case of the 'direction of the light could make them (the long narrow rays) invisible because they are not in a position to reflect light, the only characteristic that differentiates them from the rest of the ground being their bigger albedo."

Yes, that is what they look to me.

That is why I said what I said.

TELESCOPE IMAGES OF ARISTARCHUS

The best telescopic images of Aristarchus (and Copernicus) must be the shots taken by Hubble Space Telecope.

I just downloaded from hubblesite.org a close up view of Aristarchus 'crater' it's #5 of 108 pages' Highest quality JPEG 861.5 kB.

I just put it into My Pictures in Windows and zoomed in to the centre of Aristarchus. I can say there are some really interesting thingymabobs. Certainly dont look natural to me. I have to move my laptop screen to different angles to get contrasts as I dont have any fancy software to do that.

Sorry if this is a case of teaching granny to suck eggs but I find it so fascinating.

Originally posted by johnlear
This concept was originally proposed by the Danish mathematiciam Peter Andreas Hansen in the 19th Century. He had suggested that the moon's center of gravity was lopsided, so that all of the air and water on the moon had been drawn round to the farside. He speculated the the farside might even be inhabited.

Seeing the effect the Moon has on Earth's oceans I would expect that the atmosphere on the Moon to be denser on the near side because of the Earth's attraction, like if it was a high tide.

Originally posted by johnlear
Say, you aren't with the Navy are you?

Yes John I am with the Navy now, also I am an airbrusher and a disinfo agent and I have not one or two cloud images, but thousands, millions even! The other ATS'er, rilance, he is my underling, MUHAHAHAHHA



zorgon: Found the site...www.astrosurf.com...
What do make of that 496MB files...!



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Originally posted by greatlakes
The above information on TLP also agrees with my other posts concerning the make-up of the Crater and the material contained in and around the crater impact zone. Remember it was composed primarily of Anorthosite, which is 90-100% Feldspar, which fluoresces is iridescent and generally are some weird arse rocks

Marvelous job of posting the accepted scientific versions

Too bad you messed it all up with this last bit of data...

Feldspar DOES NOT FLUORESCE ...EVER nor does it have PHOSPHORESCENCE

Fluorescence is an effect created by high energy light usually UV exciting particles in the rock causing it to glow, and depending on the content it can be VERY bright especially if Uraniun salts are present... (or Thorium which seems to be abundant on the moon) You could have made a better case for Thorium than Anorthosite. I suggest a visit to a tile store and LOOK at a piece of it... You will see just how dark it is and how little labradorescence it really has...

Phosphorescence means it actually emits light... but as has been stated here it needs to absorb sunlight and requires oxygen to produce the effect and it is limited by a very small pressure tolerance. Seems NASA thinks neither free oxygen or atmospheric pressure are in abundance on the moon...

The effect you are trying to give as cause for the blue glow of Aristarchus is labradorescence.... Though it sounds the same, its not.

Labradorite if you have a flat surface that is at a prcise angle you will get the effect when light strikes the surface and you view it from an exact angle. Anyone who has ever picked up a piece can testify to that fact. In fact the angle is so precise that its difficult to cut and polish and get great results...

In Anorthosite because of the cleavage of Feldspar, and the randomness of the pieces in the rock, you will find a percentage that will show this effect as you move it in your hand... but they are small flashes at best and not bright. The samples you posted are cut sections for MICROSCOPIC examination and are small

Moonstone [] also feldspar,,, exhibits a bluish "shiller" (the term commonly used for other varieties of feldspar... nice light blue

Sunstone is similar but usually brown or orange in color

But all of the effects from ANY FORM OF FELDSPAR are only reflected light and cannot account for the intensity of the glow reported, especially when the sun is behind the moon

As I said stick to engineering, leave rocks to the experts



o that kinda shoots down that whole theory...

Labradorite has what is c

Again I ask you (probably not get a response, just like Hohn Lear hasn't responded and has dodged questions left and right):

So what are all of these BRIGHT AREAS on the moon, are they ALL alien bases, or ALL HUMAN MADE NUCLEAR REACTORS or all figments of imagination or perhaps they are BRIGHT GEOLOGY FOUND ALL OVER THE MOON, ie: rocks ?

((This is Clementine Full Color mosaic (the orig image is 21 mb). It is a full flat image of the entire lunar surface in false color I just turned the brightness down and contrast up to reveal only the MOST LUMINOUS areas of this image.))

Image 1, original non adjusted


Image 2, turned down contrast and brightness to reveal brightest areas...


Image 3, lights out! Lots of other much more relatively bright areas still seen.

Originally posted by ArMaP

Seeing the effect the Moon has on Earth's oceans I would expect that the atmosphere on the Moon to be denser on the near side because of the Earth's attraction, like if it was a high tide.

I guess that would be common misconception. As soon as I finish my research on Hansen and his hypothesis that there is a breathable atmopshere on the farside of the moon I will let you know where your problem is. I'm sure Hansen knew more about it than either of us. But thanks for your input.