Get Smart! Epispde 52

Most demolition companies pre cut beams to make it easier for the building to come down. some 911 images :

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a reply to: twitchy

shed some light on is the odd loss of radio communication on site immediately preceding both the collapses of WTC1 and WTC2,

1. The last post was 18 months ago.
2. Prove there was any loss in radio communication. Dead people don't use radio.
3. Show us where radio was reliable in other 110 story building collapses.

originally posted by: samkent
a reply to: twitchy

shed some light on is the odd loss of radio communication on site immediately preceding both the collapses of WTC1 and WTC2,

1. The last post was 18 months ago.
2. Prove there was any loss in radio communication. Dead people don't use radio.
3. Show us where radio was reliable in other 110 story building collapses.

1. Does that anger you?
2. It's something that was widely reported at the time. I'm guessing you missed the term "immediately preceding".
3. Are you familiar with the term unprecedented?

a reply to: twitchy

So why were members of Ladder 15 and Battalion Chief Orio Palmer communicating up to moment of
building collapse?

Transcripts of Ladder 15 - South Tower

911research.wtc7.net...

a reply to: twitchy

Fantastic thread. I love that it was resurrected.

I do remember the show and actually have my own weird theory that the twins in The Shining represented the Twin Towers (no, I am not married to it). I really need to rewatch the Get Smart series, too.

I have often wondered if the Towers were built to be brought down or that it took far more time to plan the events of 9/11 than what we are led to believe.

Per my Shining 'theory,' Kubrick has always dealt with many issues related to the Illuminati, Secret Societies, psy ops, government conspiracies, etc...and is connected to some of the most interesting conspiracy theories around. He was said to be meticulous in his work with every detail evoking some intended symbolism.

I see symbolism of the events of 9/11, in The Shining. The symbolism behind the film has been discussed ad nauseam, but I have never been satisfied by the other explanations I've found.

Much of The Shining centers on young Danny and his ability to read minds, see the past, and to see people for who they really are. It is presented as an intentionally terrifying gift. One is left with the idea that Danny 'knew the future,' too, and predicted his own fate at the hands of his own father through these gifts. Kubrick, however, portrays them as more of a curse. Danny takes action to prevent his fate and uses his smarts to trap his father, Jack, while being hunted in a labyrinth. As a result Jack freezes to death and Danny is spared from being murdered.

Danny also has visions of two fallen 'twin' girls throughout the movie.

Of note are the following facts:

• The North Tower of the WTC opened for tenants in December 1970
• The South Tower of the WTC opened for tenants in September 1971

• The Shining opened May 23, 1980.

The twins in The Shining film were not, in fact, twins. According to the actual novel and script, they were sisters identified as being "about eight and ten." It's difficult not to see a parallel between the girls and the twin WTC towers when the 'twins' are shown standing side-by-side holding hands and then fallen in pools of blood.

When presented on the screen, the girls appear to be slightly different heights. The same can be said for WTCs 1 and 2. The North Tower of the WTC was 1,368 feet.
The South Tower of the WTC was 1,362 feet.

The 'twins' are most notably seen standing in a hallway with narrow vertical walls behind them. It can be said that the architecture is reminiscent of very tall skyscrapers. Above the 'twins' is a window to the outside world. Many might remember that Windows on the World "was a complex of venues at the top floors (106th and 107th) of the North Tower (Building One) of the World Trade Center in Lower Manhattan." This "included a restaurant called Windows on the World, a smaller restaurant called Wild Blue, a bar called The Greatest Bar on Earth, and rooms for private functions." [link to en.wikipedia.org]

Windows on the World was established in 1976 -- four years before The Shining opened. After reviewing photos of 'The Greatest Bar on Earth,' it's difficult not to notice there is a similar and striking golden-light quality and 'ritziness' to the bar in the the Gold Room from the Shining. The girls' blue dresses are unforgettably blue, but light blue -- as mirrored windows and steel might be when reflecting the clouds and sky.

"Manager Stuart Ullman warns Jack that a previous caretaker, Charles Grady, developed cabin fever and killed his family and himself. In Boulder, Jack's son, Danny, has a terrifying premonition about the hotel, viewing a cascade of blood emerging from an elevator door. Jack's wife, Wendy, tells a doctor that Danny has an imaginary friend named Tony.." [link to en.wikipedia.org]

Personally, I think it's possible that Danny represents Stanley Kubrick, himself, as he identifies with us in our helpless unknown. There is another notable scene with Danny wearing an Apollo space shuttle sweater. Most people are aware of the theories that Kubrick filmed the moon landing in an elaborate hoax. However, this is not to detract from the theme of this post.

There are also the elevators which spill out a river of blood. After 9/11, NYC firefighters stated they witnessed fireballs exploding from the WTC elevators -- around which the steel cores of the towers were built. It is theorized that it would have taken strategically planted explosives around the elevator shafts and steel cores to have brought the towers down.

One article states that Mr. Kubrick had a fear of flying. Although it was ascribed to a traumatic childhood memory, this fear only took hold for the last 30 years of Kubrick's life.

I do believe that 9/11 took many, many years to plan. I am also compelled most by EP Heidner's theory that destroying $240 billion in government securities, killing masses of brokers -- witnesses to financial crimes, and destroying evidence in intelligence offices in WTC 7 and at the Pentagon were the real motives of 9/11.

I find it very curious that Mr. Kubrick chose to represent two girls -- not born at the same time -- as twins. It's at the very center of the plot of the film. The imagery is impressive. Danny was being warned. We were being warned. And everyone knows that Kubrick was in-the-know about so many things the rest of us are not privy to.

This thread works beautifully with the idea of Hollywood, the CIA, psy-ops, and propaganda fortune-telling.

a reply to: VincentVicious
I've been on ATS for a pretty good while now, it's not something I'm unaware of. Unfortunately I have a vested interest in this site, at least in terms of the work I have put in here, and try to remain optimistic about it.

a reply to: WilliamMook
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originally posted by: bobw927
Most demolition companies pre cut beams to make it easier for the building to come down. some 911 images :

www.debunking911.com...

www.debunking911.com...

www.debunking911.com...

I would venture to guess that they typically wait until fire/rescue and retrieval operations are over with though, wouldn't you? If you take a look at your pics, those are emergency responders taken long before the Loizeaux crew started cutting beams and hauling off debris. You're right about one thing though, those beams were cut for sure.

originally posted by: twitchy
You're right about one thing though, those beams were cut for sure.

Yes, they were cut during the cleanup.



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a reply to: twitchy

If you take a look at your pics, those are emergency responders taken long before the Loizeaux crew started cutting beams and hauling off debris.

You seem pretty sure about that. Are you sure you know when those pictures were taken? Are you sure those are emergency responders and not comrades on a recovery mission? Are you sure no cutting had been done?

November 11, 2001

NEW YORK -- Authorities are dropping charges against all but one of the 18 firefighters arrested after a raucous protest at the World Trade Center site, Mayor Rudolph Giuliani said Saturday.

The firefighters were arrested after five police officers were injured during a Nov. 2 rally, in which firefighters protested their numbers being reduced at the site.

Citing safety concerns, Giuliani had sought to scale back the number of firefighters working at Ground Zero to 25. At one point there had been as many as 150 firefighters and police officers there.

The decision angered firefighters still mourning the loss of 343 colleagues in the attacks. The firefighters said they wanted to help find the remains of their friends and colleagues.

The number of firefighters working at the site was increased to 50 on Thursday.

community.seattletimes.nwsource.com...

originally posted by: firerescue
a reply to: twitchy

So why were members of Ladder 15 and Battalion Chief Orio Palmer communicating up to moment of
building collapse?

Transcripts of Ladder 15 - South Tower

911research.wtc7.net...

As far as I know, and according to your own source, those are actually 'partials' and 'snippets' of transcripts, and interestingly, the only folks who were initially privy to the recordings were forced to sign non-disclosure agreements or gag ordered due to them being somehow relevant to the impending trial of Zacarias Moussaoui or fear over some esoteric legal liability of the Port Authority.
'immediately preceding'... 'up to moment of building collapse'... not sure I see the issue you have there, but there again this is something that was widely reported at the time and typically attributed by OS cheerleaders to the collapse of the North Tower's radio tower. Never mind the pyroclastic dust clouds that by some estimates eliminated as much as 1/3 of the mass of the buildings, seismic recordings from Pallisades, countless eyewitness accounts of explosions, toasted metal frames and cars, or the strange electrical light shows reported in buildings in the immediate area as well.
All of these very unusual, unprecedented oddities can all be easily explained by the use of SADMs, however It seems to me that Occam's Razor only applies if it fits the status quo.

a reply to: Phage

I'm pretty sure pulling survivors out of rubble comes before standing on top of them to cut up core columns.

Edit:
I also seem to recall that only a few photographers were officially allowed on the site, so it shouldn't be too difficult to date those photos as other people were being arrested or having their cameras confiscated. Also recall that folks were being arrested for having Geiger counters or radiation detectors there as well... how odd.

a reply to: twitchy
Do you know the difference between rescue and recovery?
Firefighters do.

a reply to: hellobruce
Absolutely, there were beams cut during the cleanup. However there wasn't as much cutting as there might have been thankfully, as most of the columns were already severed into nearly transportable sizes. I remember Loizeaux or one of those creeps commenting on that during the clean up. Lucky for them I guess.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: twitchy
Do you know the difference between rescue and recovery?
Firefighters do.

Yes phage, and I'm pretty sure I know the difference between baiting and fishing as well.

a reply to: twitchy

I'm not sure what you mean.

You claim that the columns were cut while rescue operations were underway (or before) because a firefighter is seen in a picture with a cut column. We know that firefighters were on site long after there was any hope of rescue in order to assist in the recovery of the remains of their dead friends and colleagues. Your claim does not hold water. You have no way of knowing when those pictures were taken.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: twitchy

I'm not sure what you mean.

You claim that the columns were cut while rescue operations were underway because a firefighter is seen in a picture with a cut column. We know that firefighters were on site long after there was any hope of rescue in order to assist in the recovery of the remains of their dead friends and colleagues. Your claim does not hold water. You have no way of knowing when those pictures were taken.

Uh no I didn't. Paraphrasing myself, I said I recall one of the clean up mooks discussing how the columns had been cut into easily transportable sizes and 'lucky them', by which I meant they apparently fell to the ground in a handy foot print collapse in conveniently sized transportable pieces. Excepting of course the 600 feet laterally ejected material from the initial blasts... er collapses.
And also check out my last edit and see if that holds your water. There only a few photographers that had clearance to be on the site, regular joes snapping pics were being arrested and having their cameras confiscated. Should be easy enough o date those pics considering eh?

a reply to: MotherMayEye

Have you seen the film 'Room 237', I'm a huge Kubrick fan, but if you haven't seen it it's a must. I know that Stephen King about crapped himself over the differences in his novel and Kubrick's film but never really put much into the symbolism behind the twins. Interesting though, thanks!

a reply to: twitchy
No need to paraphrase.

In response to this:

Most demolition companies pre cut beams to make it easier for the building to come down. some 911 images :

You said this:

I would venture to guess that they typically wait until fire/rescue and retrieval operations are over with though, wouldn't you? If you take a look at your pics, those are emergency responders taken long before the Loizeaux crew started cutting beams and hauling off debris.

In response to this:

You seem pretty sure about that. Are you sure you know when those pictures were taken? Are you sure those are emergency responders and not comrades on a recovery mission? Are you sure no cutting had been done?

You said this:

I'm pretty sure pulling survivors out of rubble comes before standing on top of them to cut up core columns.

It's quite clear what you actually said.