Iran Continues Defiant Posturing

Pyros

Tell me does Iran falls in those Cathegories? and . . . are they a sovereign nation or not.

With the right to protect themselves from agression.

WHO Has threatened to wipe Iran off the face of the earth????

NO ONE!!

Exactly.

It is intelligence that is in question here, that and hypocrisy and blind hatred.

So you call Iran threatening to destroy an entire people simply because they exist, self defense?

Thank GOD your not the leader of a country!!!

I'm done with this ignorance...

Semper

Originally posted by semperfortis
WHO Has threatened to wipe Iran off the face of the earth????

NO ONE!!

Exactly.

It is intelligence that is in question here, that and hypocrisy and blind hatred.

So you call Iran threatening to destroy an entire people simply because they exist, self defense?

Thank GOD your not the leader of a country!!!

I'm done with this ignorance...

Semper

LOL.... Again..Iran has never threatened to wipe any "entire people" out of ANY region. Read the DIRECT translations yourself...They want a regime change thats all (if you are speaking of Israel that is)

But back on topic. I don't see in any of the links you posted, where "Ahmadinejad appears set on a path of assured destruction" or is "posturing." All he has stated is that he/and his people want Nuclear Power, and have a right to it...which is true. And that they will not surcome to pressure and threats from the west...which they should not have to. The States are not the World Police, and if they (Iran) can show the U that they are only pursuing Nuclear Energy (which they have, with the exception of once) then I really do not see the problem.

So..How does Iran wanting Nuclear Power make them defient?



[edit on 8/28/2006 by pstiffy]

Fist of all is all propaganda. But what is for sure is the increasingly treat of Israel targeting Iran nuclear capabilities or what it may be nuclear plants.

Now I will like for you to point out where the Hatred is coming from, please.

All I see is pure facts of the issue that are at hand when it comes to Iran and their right to defend themselves in case of an attack.

Just like Israel will have the rights to defend themselves if they are to be attacked.

Yea the words wipe out IsraelWas brought up by the media propaganda. . . and that has given ammunition to people to justified any attacks that Israel may wag on Iranian soil.

But we also worry about NK and China leaders for years on what they could be able to do . . .

But common senses will say that Iran has nothing to gain on a nuclear attack on Israel, because that will render their country in oblivion when the rest of the world react against them.

The only ones that will be rendered wiped out is Iran itself.

Common sense my friend common sense.

No I am glad that I am not a leader of a country because that will mean selling my soul to the higest bidder and private interest and then I will have to live with the souls of the people killed in pusue of those agendas.

Something you fail to see the agendas against the so call axis of evil countries in the middle east.

Too bad that you may give up . . . because I do enjoy your threads.






[edit on 28-8-2006 by marg6043]

Originally posted by semperfortis
WHO Has threatened to wipe Iran off the face of the earth????

NO ONE!!

Exactly.

It is intelligence that is in question here, that and hypocrisy and blind hatred.

So you call Iran threatening to destroy an entire people simply because they exist, self defense?

Thank GOD your not the leader of a country!!!

I'm done with this ignorance...

Semper

The only ignorance is yours my friend. You post a thread about the "defiance" of Iran. Anyone who has bothered to do some critical thinking and actually discussed the issue fully has been accused of derailing a thread. The fact is that you cannot answer the questions posed to you. When someone confronts you with actual fact, you get angry and say "im done with this ignorance". By the way, did you read the literal direct translation of what Iran's words actually were? Can you please provide a link to the statement of Iran thretening to destroy an entire people? I epxect a literal word for word translation with any such link - anything else is heresay and is empty of any fact or meaning. Deny ignorance - if you can.
BTW - I haven't seen you answer my question, or Marg's question....

So lets see Bush says Iran does not need nuclear powered reactors cause they got all that all oil don'tcha know. But back in 1960 the CIA helps overthrow a democratically elected prime minister and restore the shah to power.
But the Shah wants nuclear power, even though they have all that oil. So what does the good Ole US of A do, they supply the Shah with a reactor and to top it off they throw in weapons-grade uranium to power the facility.
Now Iran has another democratically elected government and the good Ole boys want to overthrow the government again, no doubt to put in another Tin-Pot.
Hypocrisy at it's finest.

Sauron

I think that our nation is overcome by a short term virus many only want to remember only the present and forget that in the past lies all the answers to how politics are played by our administrations through the years.

Americas foreign policies are very well know historically.

Originally posted by marg6043
Nice to see how welcome US supremacy is when it comes to countries that do not bend to our wishes . . .

Hold on a second there... most of the international community agree in not letting Iran get their hands on nuclear technology... The only countries oposing this are Cuba, Venezuela, Syria and Iran.... Even China and Russia once again are with most of the world now against what Iran is doing...

We know that for almost two decades they had a secret nuclear weapons program, after lying and claiming they didn't for years...the only way we found out was after years of Iranian dissidents saying that iran had a nuclear weapons program, the international community decided to find out if it was true, and at the end the Iranian regime had to come forth with a declaration saying it is true they were working on a secret nuclear weapons program.

The same person that was the one in power back then, is in power now, Khomeni, The Iranian president is the second in command, what Khomeni says goes, the Mullahs also have great power in Iran, and we know that the senior Mullahs have called for the destruction of Israel and attacks on the U.S., but also they have said that it is alright for Iran to acquire nuclear weapons.. If they had no intention of getting their hands on nuclear weapons why would senior Mullahs state this?

Some people claim that the Iranian president and some of his people have claimed they only want nuclear technology for peaceful purposes, but we also know that, for example, after the statements made by the Iranian president saying that the Hollocaust was a myth one Iranian spokesman claimed that what the president of Iran was saying was misquoted...and then for some reason some people believed this explanation even after the Iranian president making several other comments which clearly show he claims the holocaust was a myth.

Originally posted by marg6043
Is ok to bomb and kill people because their leaders, have thoughts, ideas and dreams of protecting their countries from what they believe could be a danger to their sovereignty.

Could you tell us exactly how seeking to purge Israel from the Middle East, seeking the destruction of not only the Jewish state, but Israelis is "having thoughts ideas and dreams of protecting their country"?.....

How is it ok for the Iranian regime, the Iranian president and Khomeni, among others, to claim that they have the right to seek the destruction of the State of Israel, it's people and anyone who tries to help the Israelis...

Originally posted by marg6043
Then I wonder who are the real terrorist around the world.

It seems to come from all sides of the world.

i wonder why people like yourself are so willing to let the threats of the Iranian president, and the Iranian regime, stand without so much as a second glance and then have the audacity to claim that anyone who thinks this sort of regime is a threat must be a terrorist.....

[edit on 28-8-2006 by Muaddib]

Originally posted by dgtempe
This title, in itself sounds authoritative and pompous, if i do say so myself.

It sounds like, How dare they stand up against us? Its suggestive, and the suggestion is, lest they not do what we want- we should go in and pre-emtively strike their butts.
That's what this title represents to me.

DG....most of the world communty has this stance....is not just the United States as some people are claiming...

Why is it that some people are claiming "it's only the will of the United States" when most of the world except Cuba, Venezuela, and Syria are asking Iran to stop nuclear enrichment?....

"We stand by Iran at every moment, in any situation," Chávez said in Tehran, after receiving the golden High Medallion of the Islamic Republic from President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran. Venezuela, Syria and Cuba, were the only countries at the International Atomic Energy Agency meeting in February to oppose referring Iran to the United Nations Security Council.

www.iht.com...

So much for the claims that this is only the will of the United States....

[edit on 29-8-2006 by Muaddib]

Do you know what I find the strangest thing of all? I was in Hialeah, which is a city next to Miami Florida, last week visiting my family down there. The main thing that was in the hispanic news networks was the visit of Chavez to Iran, and videos were shown of Chavez saying, in Spanish, that countries like Iran and Venezuela should build up an army to fight against the United States, that he is a soldier before anything else.

To my astonishment when I came back to Wyoming i didn't find anything on any English speaking news network about the speech of Chavez, there were some extracts shown in English, but most of the speech I could not find anywhere in English. I would have thought this would be all over the news, yet it wasn't.

I will do some research tomorrow and see what i can find, but if there is anyone in the forums, and I know at least of a couple people who have relatives in South Florida, ask them about this and you will have corroboration to what I am saying.




[edit on 29-8-2006 by Muaddib]

Originally posted by WestPoint23
So I take it you guys are not into discussing the topic then?

Yes Semper I agree, Iran is just feeding the flames so to speak, they are not helping the situation at all. They know that China and Russia will most likely veto any sanctions on them, like sanctions alone will resolve this situation, which is why they continue to do whatever they want. The UN has proven to be nothing but a debate club, yet again.

Im in total agreement Westpoint.We have a completly impotent u.n.,a european union in denial.Add 2 that an ongoing campaign by russian/sino governments 2 supply wmds 2 any and all genocidal regimes with a buck 2 spend.

Originally posted by Muaddib
The same person that was the one in power back then, is in power now, Khomeni

I suppose you meant Khamenei, Iran's president from 1981 to 1989 and Supreme Leader since then.

Originally posted by Sauron
...............
Now Iran has another democratically elected government and the good Ole boys want to overthrow the government again, no doubt to put in another Tin-Pot.
Hypocrisy at it's finest.

Democratically elected government?......

Yeah..... you mean like this?

Originally posted by ArMaP

I suppose you meant Khamenei, Iran's president from 1981 to 1989 and Supreme Leader since then.

Yes, that's who i was refering to.

Thank you for the spelling correction.

Semperfortis: 'I would vote you a WATS, but I am out.'

I've always been of the school of thought that... Clear thinking is it's own reward... Don't you think Semper?

Speaking of clear thinking... or the lack there of... I am continually AMAZED at the calisthenics people that you would otherwise have great respect for are able to so routinely execute when it comes to their absolutely blind support of TERRORISM (or is it blind anti-USAism ), eh Marg6043?

How many times has it happened that we have a somewhat coherent discussion persuing a theme and those people who seem to blindly support TERRORISM (we've got to coin a new word for people who blindly support TERRORISM... any ideas? How about TERRORISTMISTS? ) and someone inevitable wants to throw in Balfour (in South Parkese: you LON bastards!) or Remember the Liberty! (the only time these guys 'care' uno iota about any Americans and their welfare ).

Point?

It's interesting to look at the 'dichotomy' between those who support goofy ideals like 'freedom' (the truth speakers + guys like yours truly ) and guys who support TERRORISM (what about their rights! You know Israel something something something. Israel something something something... What abort Irans right to nuke Israel? )...

Dichotomy? Nah... More like continental divide? Nah... More like continental chasm...

Originally posted by golemina

Speaking of clear thinking... or the lack there of... I am continually AMAZED at the calisthenics people that you would otherwise have great respect for are able to so routinely execute when it comes to their absolutely blind support of TERRORISM (or is it blind anti-USAism

), eh Marg6043?


It's interesting to look at the 'dichotomy' between those who support goofy ideals like 'freedom' (the truth speakers + guys like yours truly

) and guys who support TERRORISM (what about their rights! You know Israel something something something. Israel something something something... What abort Irans right to nuke Israel?

)...

Its funny, any time someone who questions WHY people might become terrorists, that same someone is labled as supporting terrorists. It seems that the creation of terrorists do a hell of a lot more to support them then trying to figure out why they are the way that they are. By taking such an agressive stance, having a completely idotic foreign policy, and threatening to invade every country that doesn't bow to our every whim, we have created the conditions, and the hate and resentment necessary to breed terrorism. Your statement above is completely lacking any wisdom or truth. No one ever said anything about nuking Israel, nice try on the spin though. You just keep spewing your hate, and we will keep speaking the truth.

golemina

Tell me who in this thread has voiced their support on terrorism?.

I will be waiting for you answer . . . because you know I am horrified by that kind of behavior.

Supporting terrorism!!!!!!! lo and behold, I can no imagine such despicable behavior.

Muadibb as usual you bi pass the entire issue to support your government, I guess is better that way for you.

Nobody is going to wipe out Israel from the middle east is all Propaganda.

But I tell you something for real . . . Nobody will support US if they attack Iran.

After the fiasco in Iraq, because you know what my friend Its a fiasco.

Iran is the one in danger of becoming the target of Israel NO the way around..

I guess when it comes to the US they like regimes that will bend to our wishes like the Shah but when the people took him out because he was a bad leader then US will target the unfriendly regime and axis of evil.

How convenient and how forgetful many seems to become, no wonder history in our nation is poor.

[edit on 29-8-2006 by marg6043]

Originally posted by marg6043
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Muadibb as usual you bi pass the entire issue to support your government, I guess is better that way for you.

No Marg, I see the issue clearly and don't try to hide what I think because of fear, or whatever your reasons might have.

Originally posted by marg6043
Nobody is going to wipe out Israel from the middle east is all Propaganda.

Tell that to the Iranian president and those Islamic extremists in Iran and elsewhere who keep chanting death to Israel, America, etc, etc.

Tehran, Iran, Nov. 02 – Thousands of hard-line supporters of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad converged on Monday at the site of the former American embassy in Tehran, chanting for the destruction of the United States, Britain, and Israel, in a state-organised demonstration held to commemorate the November 4, 1979 seizure of the embassy compound by radical Islamists.

A giant portrait of Ahmadinejad was brought to the demonstration with the words, “Israel must be wiped off the map” written below it - a quote from the Iranian president’s speech last week at a seminar entitled “World Without Zionism”, where he blasted the Middle East peace process and called for the destruction of the Jewish state.

Chants of “Death to America”, “Death to Britain”, and “Death to Israel” filled the air as protestors began to set alight the three countries’ flags.

www.iranfocus.com...

If you don't want to accept the comments given by the media from around the world as to the comments made by the Iranian president about destroying Israel, you must at least know that even the people who claim the Iranian president has not said anything about desroying Israel, that he made a speech about "The World Without Zionism", but what does Zionism mean to the Iranian president?

Let's see what he says in an interview done with the Iranian president through the German newspaper Spiegel.

SPIEGEL: The Europeans support the Palestinians in many ways. After all, we also have an historic responsibility to help bring peace to this region finally. But don't you share that responsibility?

Ahmadinejad: Yes, but aggression, occupation and a repetition of the Holocaust won't bring peace. What we want is a sustainable peace. This means that we have to tackle the root of the problem. I am pleased to note that you are honest people and admit that you are obliged to support the Zionists.

SPIEGEL: That's not what we said, Mr. President.

Ahmadinejad: You said Israelis.

service.spiegel.de...

In that interview the Iranian president links Zionism to "Israelis", not to the elite of Israel, or extremists in Israel, but Israelis.

One thing which some people keep forgetting is that Shiites can hide their true intentions to avoid persecution or if they think there would be retaliation because of their beliefs. This is known as taqiya.

A controversial aspect of Shi'a theology is called taqiya, which means dissimulation of one's real beliefs. This doctrine allows believers to hide their true beliefs for the sake of their own self-protection in the face of persecution.

mb-soft.com...

The Iranian president can hide his true intentions if he thinks there will be retaliations. Hence while he does declare in public to his people what he wants to do, he can say the contrary to the western world to avoid conflict because of his threats.

Marg, if anyone is forgetful of history and facts apparently you are one of those people.

[edit on 29-8-2006 by Muaddib]

Hezbollah 'propaganda' raining down on northern Israel by the thousands...



>Tell me who in this thread has voiced their support on terrorism?

Why you... among others.

While you attempt to dance on the head of a needle in your see no evil, speak no evil, hear no evil campaign in support of the actions of Iran...

Iran being the first and foremost exporter of TERRORISM in the world, makes YOU a supporter of TERRORISM.

It's not exactly rocket science Marg6043...

In dealing with the Arabs (and unfortunately the Muslims also ), it's important not to pay too much attention to what they are saying to the West... but to take to heart what they say to each other.

If you use any type of real world measure of the degree of mendacity of these fine humanitarian folks dole out in their 'dialogue' with the West...

You can pretty much see that it is a lot of malarkey...

Much like your summation/summarization of Iran behavior/actions in this thread.

The title of this thread cracks me up... "Defiant"?

How dare they question our Authorit-tie!