Iran Continues Defiant Posturing

This title, in itself sounds authoritative and pompous, if i do say so myself.

It sounds like, How dare they stand up against us? Its suggestive, and the suggestion is, lest they not do what we want- we should go in and pre-emtively strike their butts.
That's what this title represents to me.

Here Here!

and as for..

Regardless, what Semperfortis posted is factually true. Iran does not want to be part of the global community. They recently refused IAEA inspectors access to a site.

The Israeli's have NEVER allowed ANYONE from the IAEA to visit their Nucleur plants. In fact they are the ONLY country in the M.E that has Nucleur weapons and they aquired them ILLEGALLY. Israel REFUSED to have anything to do with the N.P.T which was put in place to ensure the SAFETY and the RESPONSIBLE use of nucleur power/weapons.

And yet they are still being encouraged to pre-emptivelly strike Iran which is looking to persue it's LEGAL rights to obtain Nucleur power.


PURE HYPOCRACY.

And before anyone starts with the "Iran is a terrorist nation" speil, let's not go delve into Israels' track record shall we...

Seems the anti Israelites show up on every thread.

And its Nuclear

And Hypocrisy

But this is about Iran not Israel, no matter how you spell it.

Semper

Why shouldnt israelis have a nuke? They learned from history that its either defend or die. Israelis are modernised people who promote technology and education. Although they are religious, they are much less extreme than their arab neighbors. Israelis may have done some bad stuff but atleast their approach to life is more scientific and LOGICAL.

We are in the 21st century people. Religion and extremism are causing these holy wars. Israel is a piece of earth, but to jews and arabs, its a special holy land. Give me a break. Who cares if the jews should live there or not, its a piece of land. Its a place for the jews to live.

Arabs have the whole middle east to wallow in. Why cant they just be happy living in their caves and chilling on their big beanbag pillows. The nation of Islam as a whole is a threat to to technology, education, and evolution because they put the notion of god infront of everything. To any truly educated person this should be the first major red flag.

I have no mercy for the people that convince 13 year old children that if american bullets kill you, you are going directly to paradise as a martyr. What kind of brainwashing crap is this? Who believes this stuff? Uneducated Arabs who arent even given the knowlege to know the difference between truth and lies.

what are you people defending? We are talking about a radical muslim nation. This isnt israel and America. This is RADICAL ISLAM. These people spit hellfire. They are religious zealots, and they are a threat to the modern world.

I am not saying nuke them, but I am saying that we should have less tolerance for any government that incorporates so much religion into their regime. If a muslim can prove to me that allah is out there, and watching his back, then I might stop thinking they are all idiots. Until then, they are the plague of humanity in my mind.

If they want to advance as a country, why dont they take religion out of schools, provide internet to all homes, feed their people. Instead they are focusing on nuclear technology for energy? ENERGY? they are sitting on the 4th largest oil field in the world PLEEEEZE. You people are so brainwashed by the extreme leftist media that you forgot what a true threat is. WAKE UP or one day you are going to be under the whip of islamic fascists who are convincing your child who and what god is.

Originally posted by semperfortis
Israel is not well known for simple posturing, rather for action.

I seems you were the first to bring up Israel.

And while the topic is "Iran Continues Defiant Posturing" it is only fair to examine the track record of the nations who have threatened to preemptively attack Iran for their "defiant posturing"

The double standards applied to Iran and Israel are perhaps the no.1 cause for Irans stubbornness to give up their rights under the NPT. Israel is Irans' regional competitor, and if Iran does want nukes it's only to offset the balance of power away from Israel.

Also, I am sick of being labelled "anti-Israeli" every time I critisize policy i do not agree with. I am an Australian, but i do not support John Howards Industrial Relations laws. Does that make me "anti-Australian"?

Using your logic, you must be "anti-free speech".

And if you think i could be bothered spell checking my post to keep you happy, buddy, your dreaming.

The reason why no one (except for Arabs ) are scared about Israels nuclear capabilities is they fight for strictly defensive purposes.

The reason why no one (except for supporters of terrorism ) believes the Iranians are developing nuclear capabilities for 'peaceful purposes' is because of their natural energy resources and more importantly continue to attack Israel for no other purpose than annihilation.

Well I like the "buddy"

And the spelling is better.

Yet if you are anti-Israel, that is your business. Being defensive wont help, check with any therapist.

As far as the topic goes, Israel has never threatened to wipe any other country out of existence. That seems to be the topic of your friends in Iran these days. Israel will defend itself, as all countries have a right too. As for the NPT, HAHAHAHAHAHA, A joke just like the United Nations. As for your feeling on the Aussies, again, your business.

Semper

golemina!!!!

I would vote you a WATS, but I am out.

Well put and well stated.

Thank You

Semper

Originally posted by semperfortis
Israel will defend itself, as all countries have a right too.Semper

So you do agree that Any country that feels trheatened by Israel should defend itself.

All countries but none Arabs or muslin, right?

So Iran is out of the quesiton. right? specially when Israel has Nuclear weapons I mean suspected

I guess when it comes to Israel the way of thinking for many is only one sided.

Pity

No, marg the pity is "that" attitude when the fact is Israel has never carte' blanch threatened the existence of any other country!

More of a pity is your excusing a madman that by his posturing is expressing not only his willingness but his intent to use those weapons!

Israel has had them for how long now? 30 40 years. been in how many wars for her existence? 2 or 3? Ever used them? NO! Ever talk about wiping another culture or country off the map? NO!

Empty arguments when what is going on is an incomprehensible support for a madman and a nation devoted to the destruction of a peoples.

Now that is sad

Semper

Let me brighten your horizon here . . .

If Israel attacks Iran looking for nuclear plants . . . Iran has the right to see the attack an act of war, you like it or not US like or not.

Iran will be in All its rights to defend themselves against an aggressor.

As any other sovereign country have that right not only the countries that you like.

So tell me . . . you are an Intelligent person

Does Iran has the right to defend any attack from Israel? yes or no.

Now . . . tell me and make it good.

Because in your logical mind and own opinion that seems to bring others to fall with you, you seem to be advocating for An all attack against Iran be by US or Israel and Iran has not right to defend themselves from an aggression on their own lands and against their sovereignty.

So how logical your logic can be.

[edit on 28-8-2006 by marg6043]

Originally posted by golemina
The reason why no one (except for Arabs

) are scared about Israels nuclear capabilities is they fight for strictly defensive purposes.

How quickly people forget the USS Liberty.

The reason why no one (except for supporters of terrorism

) believes the Iranians are developing nuclear capabilities for 'peaceful purposes' is because of their natural energy resources and more importantly continue to attack Israel for no other purpose than annihilation.

Or because without ACTUAL PROOF, people should not believe anyting the Western media and/or goverment says.

As far as the topic goes, Israel has never threatened to wipe any other country out of existence. That seems to be the topic of your friends in Iran these days.

Its been proven countless times, the quote was PURE propaganda. He called for a regime change in Israel to remove the Zionists..not the destruction of the people.

But hey..The West needs a new boogeyman for Haliburton and Exxon.

Originally posted by pstiffy

But hey..The West needs a new boogeyman for Haliburton and Exxon.

Exactly my friend the hidden agenda that is not so hidden at all but has been covered with a veil of Terror and Israel decimation

Is all about oil wars to benefit future energy control on a region that holds the biggest reserves right now.

The War on terror and How evil Iran wants to wipe out Israel is the most dangerous propaganda been wagged agains the American people intelligence.

Pity.

The relationship of one nation with a foreign nation rests on natural law and moral principles as well as on recognized international law. We owe other nations a respect for their chosen form of government as we expect our own form to be respected, and we have no right to interfere in another people's choice of government or internal policy any more than they have to interfere in ours.


Does anybody knows who wrote that? pity.

[edit on 28-8-2006 by marg6043]

THREAD HIJACK ALERT

This thread was going along nicely until the (inevitable) Israeli card got played.

If you want to discuss Israeli nuclear policy, start a different thread please.

The title of this thread is not inflammatory or accusatory. It consists of four words, only one of which is an adjective. And the term "defiant" seems fairly complimentary and accurate, as I'm sure most members of the IRGC would agree......

To answer Semper's original question that nobody bothered to answer: I do believe that the Russians and Chinese will put the western world at risk, because they see that as strengthening their own positions at the expense of the west. They maintain cordial relations with the Islamists, but......after the Great Satan has been defeated, who will the radicals target next? Surely the Russians and Chinese must know how radical Islamists feel about atheists, idolators, and all other non-believers? Have they ever read the Holy Quran? The communists are in for quite a shock............

Thank you Pyros!!!

I tend to agree as well, except I only see the other powers coming in on a limited basis. Providing weapons etc.

That will be enough however to thoroughly disrupt any advancements made in recent times towards foreign policy. Possibly even brinkmanship!

Semper

Originally posted by marg6043
Let me brighten your horizon here . . .

If Israel attacks Iran looking for nuclear plants . . . Iran has the right to see the attack an act of war, you like it or not US like or not.

Iran will be in All its rights to defend themselves against an aggressor.

As any other sovereign country have that right not only the countries that you like.

So tell me . . . you are an Intelligent person

Does Iran has the right to defend any attack from Israel? yes or no.

Now . . . tell me and make it good.

Because in your logical mind and own opinion that seems to bring others to fall with you, you seem to be advocating for An all attack against Iran be by US or Israel and Iran has not right to defend themselves from an aggression on their own lands and against their sovereignty.

So how logical your logic can be.

[edit on 28-8-2006 by marg6043]

You have voted marg6043 for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have one more vote left for this month.

Excellent point! I am eagerly awaiting a response on this one. It appears that in the eyes of many on this board, Iran doesn not have the right to defend herself.

Without a shred of evidence, people are calling for the bombing of yet another country. This seems to be happening all over again as it was in Iraq - except they had proof that time - fabricated proof!!

Whatever the true intentions are, that is irrelevent. What kind of a world are we becomming when we start attacking and killing people for what we think they might do someday.
And yes, all of those comments were taken out of context and used as propaganda. Anyone with half a brain could figure that one out.

More Hijacking...

Looks as if this thread is done.

Semper

Originally posted by semperfortis
More Hijacking...

Semper

Very sad that propaganda has bilinded even the brigthest in our nation.

Pity.

Originally posted by marg6043
The relationship of one nation with a foreign nation rests on natural law and moral principles as well as on recognized international law. We owe other nations a respect for their chosen form of government as we expect our own form to be respected, and we have no right to interfere in another people's choice of government or internal policy any more than they have to interfere in ours.


Does anybody knows who wrote that? pity.

I do. It was Thomas Jefferson. The following is also attributed to our Founding Father:

"Nations may be brought to justice by appeals to their interests as well as by appeals to arms." --Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1793.

"I do not indeed wish to see any nation have a form of government forced on them; but if it is to be done, I should rejoice at its being a free one." --Thomas Jefferson to Peregrine Fitzhugh, 1798.

"Nations may be brought to justice by appeals to their interests as well as by appeals to arms." --Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1793.

Originally posted by semperfortis
More Hijacking...

Looks as if this thread is done.

Semper

Why do you say this thread is hijacked? Because we are discussing the causes for Iran's "defiance"?? What authority is Iran defying anyway???

The US? The UN? The NPT? - oh wait, they haven't violated the NPT yet.

So WHO??? On the topic of this thread, who exactly is Iran defying??????? Who has the authority to say that Iran is "defying" them?

Can you even answer that? I think not.