Early Winter Coming

Is anyone getting the feeling that we are going to have an early winter? I have been concerned recently because I was hearing that there might be some and I know that may mean trouble for some of you guys. Well, if you have read any of m other post, then you know that what I predicted may be coming true at last. I post some more articles as I find them.

Early Harvest

Wet Winter is to come



[edit on 24/8/2006 by kid301]

I'm not sure what the article about wheat has to do with the upcoming winter season. Winter wheat is planted the previous winter so it's only right that the harvest is nearing an end. I'd be interested in your correlation of the wheat harvest to an early winter. Last year was an early winter for us in central NY. I had three feet of snow in early December. Then I lost it all by early January. As a hunter and winter enthusiast I certainly welcome an early winter.

Funny you should start this thread.

The sun is not shinning brightly...there's something wrong...I cant put my finger on it but it looks like fall, yet its warm where i am.

Anyone else notice this in the NorthEast???

I'm in S. Ontario and I have noticed this trend over the past decade. In Toronto, our summers are getting shorter, hotter and wetter, while spring and fall are getting milder and longer while winter is much dryer, with one intense short cold spell that reaches into the -20 celcius range. It seems our seasons are blending into each other.

I too, am happy to see that you started this thread!

I have remarked twice in ATS chat about this very subject, and have had numerous conversations come up about it with people here and across the country. We are currently getting the "fall sunlight", that dimmer form. It's very strange, because it can also be hot still, but at this present time of my posting, the temperature is 80oF! That is odd for this time of the year.

Also the butterflies! So many butterflies that we typically would see down here in September/October are out and about now in full force. Monarchs are already leaving their chrysalids and normally the few would be laying their eggs on milkweed plants. Gulf Fritallaries have already stopped flying around in abundance, and they are usually here until the end of September. Also I am hearing stories in other parts of the country about trees starting to lose their foliage already.

I thought I was just being wierd, or that the crazy world that is life down here had us thinking off of normal time, but apparently others are noticing this.

I'm curious to know how many others have noticed this.

[edit on 8/24/06 by niteboy82]

About the wheat, it says

I will try to get some more links up there.

I wont want to sound weird (er) but i think there is something wrong. I've been noticing, we have a very dimm sun. I'm glad others have noticed this too. I went to the Hyannis beach today, and it looked weird, to see people playing ball and in the water, yet the sun ....... weird.

You know? I mentioned this to the wife just the other day. We're in PA, and, while we had quite the heat wave a few weeks ago, it's been a night-and-day difference since. Yes, it still rises to seasonable temps thru the day, though the overall look/feel has turned more Fall-like much sooner than Most years. Perhaps just a change in "trend", but it does seem quite odd to me. I, typically, look to the trees [mast crop] as a guideline by which to gauge an upcoming winter. [i.e. Farmer's Almanac]. A heavy mast crop typically signifies a hard winter, both historically and from personal experience.

Then again it wouldn't be out-of-sorts for us to have this brief reprieve, now, only to experience an "Indian Summer" in October. Not unheard of, but we've definitely had quite the "odd" year here.

Good for the garden to date, with sufficient watering that is.

p.s. The okra is in full swing niteboy, have any recipes you would like to share? [u2u]

But- my Martha Stewart green and red peppers are a huge dissapointment.

Just greens, no peppers.

Not one.

Originally posted by dgtempe
Funny you should start this thread.

The sun is not shinning brightly...there's something wrong...I cant put my finger on it but it looks like fall, yet its warm where i am.

Anyone else notice this in the NorthEast???

Well I am from Ohio, but I choose not to stare at the sun, and I work the day inside at a desk, so I barly see daylight except when I am driving, which I find irritating and put sunglasses on to tint the sun so I really don't know how to answer such a question.

All I know is this. Weather guys suck. They really do, if there was a occupation in which you get paid good, stand dumbly infront of a camera pointing to an imaginairy computer generated screen and speak lies that everyone will schedual around, it is weather men. The source of all evil.

Where we not supposed to have the most active, if off a little, second most active hurricane season on record .. right now hurricanes that hit US mainland stand at what..... 0? something low, maybe a weak one I didn't catch in the news?

Last winter it was supposed to be bitter cold in Ohio, so says the weather man, and the Accu weather guys, they seem to know everything.. well did we have a cold winter? No. Actually, we had one of the warmest winters with some of the fewest snowfalls on record, we got nothing.

The year before that we where supposed to get alot of snow and freezing temperatures. Know what we got? We got 60 degree weather, some 40 above average for a weak, fog you couldn't see through at noon and the biggest flood in the past decade here in dayton.

Weather man says a early winter? A cold winter? Lots of snow? Il be sure to not pack away my shorts thank you.

P.S. I propose that if a weather man where to say we have the coldest winter on record, and it turns out to be unseasonably warm, or even the warmest on record, that weather man should do one of two tings.

1. Pay a $5000 fine for public inconvenience.
2. Stand outside on the coldest day of the year wearing nothing but his tighty whities and tube socks. Any one agree that is justifiable??

[edit on 8/24/2006 by Rockpuck]

Im in St. Louis Mo, and at the end of the bad heatwave a few weeks ago I noticed birds starting to flock together. Its been my experience that once that starts its like 6 to 8 weeks till the weather changes....but to see these birds flocking together in July is wierd seems early, usually don't see this behavior till Sept or Oct.

I haven't noticed anything differant about the sun, maybe its pollution.

could be climate change

Rockpuck,

Didint you hear? The hurricanes are on hold on account of all the pending doom and wars....

Strange how mother earth can sense things....

As for weathermen....Let me tell you i interned at a Wellesley cable tv station, i was on air talent .......And the weatherman used to ask me to open the window and tell him how it "felt" outside. I swear its true. If that's any indication how the other cable stations run their weather...sheeeesh....its no wonder

I have to ask, based on the posters theory that the seasons are readjusting themselves. If fall begins in August and not in October, do we change the cycle so that August is no longer August but is where June once was, which became April, and October become December, which we would then have to decide whether to change the holidays or begin celebrating Christmas in weather not usually seen until the end of Feburary?

Originally posted by dgtempe
Rockpuck,

Didint you hear? The hurricanes are on hold on account of all the pending doom and wars....

Strange how mother earth can sense things....

As for weathermen....Let me tell you i interned at a Wellesley cable tv station, i was on air talent

.......And the weatherman used to ask me to open the window and tell him how it "felt" outside.

I swear its true. If that's any indication how the other cable stations run their weather...sheeeesh....its no wonder

I see! Mother Earth was going to hit Cuba hard, but decided Castor being ill and all was enough to worry the poor people of Cuba and took aim at Florida instead, but with us all affraid we where going to be nuked and such with airplanes and scery a-rabs the Hurricane felt neglected and is holding off till more air time is available to brodcast her death and destruction with out shareing the spotlight! Of course, it had plans to form this week but the country was taken by storm because of a child killer was being transported from LA to Colorado today, which is very important news that would over shadow a wee little hurricane.

Yes.




Its ok by me. I think its only fair, Rockpuck.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
I have to ask, based on the posters theory that the seasons are readjusting themselves.

It's not a theory or even a hypothesis. It's just observations accumulated over a couple of decades. Last Winter, the majority of the plants didn't even turn brown. When ever we had a melt and showed the ground, green grass, plants and shrubs would show. First time that's happened in my memory. Also Perennials in my parents garden are blooming a week and a half earlier then they did in the mid 80s.

Also, certain trees are starting to turn red and orange already... about two week early then normal... the first trees to start to turn on my street usually don't start until late august, and they started a couple of weeks ago...

We also recieved record amounts of rain in July.

If fall begins in August and not in October, do we change the cycle so that August is no longer August but is where June once was, which became April, and October become December, which we would then have to decide whether to change the holidays or begin celebrating Christmas in weather not usually seen until the end of Feburary?

Ouch... way too complex for my taste.

[edit on 24-8-2006 by sardion2000]

[edit on 24-8-2006 by sardion2000]

Here are a few more.

Wetter Winter predicted with El Nino

Summer's 'touch of fall' doesn't have winter equivalent

Here in Calgary, Alberta we've had alot of smoke/hazy days lately, with the sun being a pale orange brown colour all day, it gets depressing after a while when you know it should be bright and sunny. As for an early winter, i'm not sure, but judging by the ammount of berries and fruit we're seeing ( the crab apple trees are almost splitting under the weight of the fruit.), something is definitly up. Just another thing in the weird weather that we've been experencing for the past two years out here.

Here in NY the leaves are starting to come off already. Havent seen any huge changes to make anything a big deal though. Kinda early for this to happen I think but we are coming out of a very stable period.

Now that you guys mention it, I've noticed some of the leaves turning yellow already. This started a couple weeks ago.