Israel may 'go it alone' against Iran

I do not support the US going into another war, and most Americans don't either. You can fool us once but you can't twice (well some of us ).

My main concern is American involvement. I have family living in Israel, but I couldn't give 2 s_its about Israel.

I do not trust the neoconservatives, they have plans up their sleeves, and it isn't to "protect Israel and defeat terrorists".

There will be a war. World War? I don't think so. Even if nukes are used between Israel and Iran, I don't think it would be a world war.

Originally posted by NukeIran87


Iraq failed because of our disaster idea to occupy. We took out their military fairly quick. If we mount an air assault on Iran and DONT occupy and turn it into a ground war, Iran doesn't stand a chance. I hope you don't think they could take us out if we only attacked from the air..

I know their not direct allies. But ya know, you can hate your brother but when somebody else picks on your brother, you stand up for him. Their united in their religion. Their united in defending the middle east from the United States "New Middle East" plan. Egypt not long ago warned against an attack on Iran. They would stand up for Iran. Would it be through military action? I don't know. But if they don't..that only furthers Iran's isolation and gives them more of a chance of being wiped out completely.

Your logic is flawed.

You and many other seem to think that if you attack by air the Iranians will sit there and take it up the ass.

Take a look at there military manuvers that carried out a while ago. Take a look at there military influence in surrounding countries and there reach. This is a not a military that will sit in there own country but will start launching guerilla commando attacks on surrounding countries where Americans are based especially in Afghanistan, Iraq and gulf arab countries.

And lets not forget there thousands and thousnads of Ballistic missiles that can hit 100% of every American command centres, barracks, Supply depo's, Logistic support centres, airports/runways etc...

And you guys think Hezbollah was bad. You must then not forget Iran trainned them and armed them. and Hezbollah was a just 2000ish people while Iran's armed forces are something like 500,000 people and then have over 1 million basji? guerillas. How do you think America is going to cope against 1 million guerillas who recived the same trainning as Hezbollah when they storm and attack American forces over the border in Afghanistan and Iraq and all over the middle east.

hezbollah is no joke and neither are the Iranians guerilla and commando forces.

Also remember Israel used American laser guided missiles, bunker busters and other weapons in Lebanon and what did they accomplish? nothing. What is America going to be able to do against highly reinforced undergroung bunkers filled with nuclear technology with there same missiles as Israel used? Nothing.

I'm sorry to ruin your dream "nukeIran" but your theory of air-raids won't hold especially considering Israel couldnt even take on 2000 hezbollah fighters from the air what the hell is America going to be able to do too 1.5 million (1 million+ guerillas and 500,000 convental forces) and also Iran has much more advanced surface to air missiles defence systems and will be able to defend there airspace much better.

Iran wants the bomb so they can hold the west hostage plain and simple. Iran has been sponsoring attacts on the west for years. Why now should we allow them to have the ultamate weapon? So they can continue thier behavor with impunity?

Iran has deminstraited nothing to support thier claim that thier nuclear progam is for or peacefull purposes. In fact they spuew hatefull retoric and contempt for Isreal and the west while trying to attain a nuclear bomb.

Originally posted by iqonx

Originally posted by NukeIran87


Iraq failed because of our disaster idea to occupy. We took out their military fairly quick. If we mount an air assault on Iran and DONT occupy and turn it into a ground war, Iran doesn't stand a chance. I hope you don't think they could take us out if we only attacked from the air..

I know their not direct allies. But ya know, you can hate your brother but when somebody else picks on your brother, you stand up for him. Their united in their religion. Their united in defending the middle east from the United States "New Middle East" plan. Egypt not long ago warned against an attack on Iran. They would stand up for Iran. Would it be through military action? I don't know. But if they don't..that only furthers Iran's isolation and gives them more of a chance of being wiped out completely.

Your logic is flawed.

You and many other seem to think that if you attack by air the Iranians will sit there and take it up the ass.

Take a look at there military manuvers that carried out a while ago. Take a look at there military influence in surrounding countries and there reach. This is a not a military that will sit in there own country but will start launching guerilla commando attacks on surrounding countries where Americans are based especially in Afghanistan, Iraq and gulf arab countries.

And lets not forget there thousands and thousnads of Ballistic missiles that can hit 100% of every American command centres, barracks, Supply depo's, Logistic support centres, airports/runways etc...

And you guys think Hezbollah was bad. You must then not forget Iran trainned them and armed them. and Hezbollah was a just 2000ish people while Iran's armed forces are something like 500,000 people and then have over 1 million basji? guerillas. How do you think America is going to cope against 1 million guerillas who recived the same trainning as Hezbollah when they storm and attack American forces over the border in Afghanistan and Iraq and all over the middle east.

hezbollah is no joke and neither are the Iranians guerilla and commando forces.

Also remember Israel used American laser guided missiles, bunker busters and other weapons in Lebanon and what did they accomplish? nothing. What is America going to be able to do against highly reinforced undergroung bunkers filled with nuclear technology with there same missiles as Israel used? Nothing.

I'm sorry to ruin your dream "nukeIran" but your theory of air-raids won't hold especially considering Israel couldnt even take on 2000 hezbollah fighters from the air what the hell is America going to be able to do too 1.5 million (1 million+ guerillas and 500,000 convental forces) and also Iran has much more advanced surface to air missiles defence systems and will be able to defend there airspace much better.

The United States government already has plans to take out more than 10,000 military targets in Iran in a matter of a couple hours. A massive air raid that would be executed in just a couple hours is de-capitating. The massive amount of fire power that would be dropped in to that country would be too much for Iran to handle. As much as you and many other people want to be "different" and "stand out" and state rediculus things to create debate, you're failing to see logic. The logic is, we're the most powerful country in the world. No third world dirt poor oil dependant country is taking us down and that's FACT. Just because Israel can't defeat Hezbollah doesn't mean we can't take down Iran. That's stupid. Comparing Israel's military, although its strong, to ours is comparing apples and oranges. There's no comparison. We spend 500 billion dollars a year on our military for a reason. Iran would have NO chance if we sent our massive air raid plan into motion. Within a couple hours I bet you Iran would be completely im-mobelized and would have nothing to fight with.

[edit on 24-8-2006 by NukeIran87]

The topic is NOT the U.S. vs Iran !



The topic of This discussion is, "Israel may 'go it alone' against Iran"


Please focus your responses On-Topic.


Thank you.


... and now back to the topic of discussion,


"Israel may 'go it alone' against Iran"



? thoughts ?

The proble here is that Israel will not "go it alone".

Sure, they may launch a few airstrikes against Iran but will then whine at the first sign of any retaliatory action by Iran, at which time in rides GWB with the full military might of the US.
Ok, a sustained air campaign against Iran will cause them serious damage but you can't win a war from the air, you also need to win it from the ground and Israel is not capable of this.

Originally posted by 12m8keall2c
The topic is NOT the U.S. vs Iran !



The topic of This discussion is, "Israel may 'go it alone' against Iran"


Please focus your responses On-Topic.


Thank you.


... and now back to the topic of discussion,


"Israel may 'go it alone' against Iran"



? thoughts ?

Very well...Israel will not go it alone as it will be too costly, difficult and paint them as the aggressor. It will also create hell for the U.S. Any such act my Israel will cause thousands of trained terrorists to wreak havoc to U.S. troops and Israel as well as their allies.

So everyone is afraid of Iran... because they want a cheap source of power. Oooooooooooooooooo.

Why doesn't someone sell them a nuke reactor, and run it etc.. If they want it they wil buy it from a western power. (or possibly be given it).

Thank you, I mean Iran does not want to make nuclear weapons to attack anyone they want them as protection from attack. Both their neighbors are occupied and have massive foreign forces in them Iraq was overtaken (however ineffeciently and for whatever cause, hopefully to fight the terrorists on their own soil as opposed to ours) but dont worry if Iran has nukes they are not suicidel. One universal rule is that those in power and with wealth have more to lose which is the same reason that you see the new wealth created from tech and web are still part of the establishment once they were rebels but once they became wealthy they had more to lose so they fell in line and as a matter of self preservation are the same. Irans elite is no different they dont want to become like sadam or the taliban they want to remain in power and they know that wont happen by using nukes only by having them as detterence.

Israel wont attak Iran not after the war in lebanon the swing in the muslims favor right now Israel also has to 100% then take out Syria and hezbolla again (remember Hezbollah has not disarmed itself smartly) so its all threats because just like Iran actually using nukes Israel attaking Iran they have more to lose than gain.

theyll probably just airstrike the reactors again, like iraq in the 80s.

Israel might go it alone, Israel have just pruchased two sbmarines from Germany Capable of carrying nuclear Warheads, Iif that is not a sign to The World that if need be Israel will blow Iran out of the map before Iran does it to them, Ii do not know what is.

With the purchase of two more German-made Dolphin submarines capable of carrying nuclear warheads, military experts say Israel is sending a clear message to Iran that it can strike back if attacked by nuclear weapons

The purchases come at a time when Iran is refusing to bow to growing Western demands to halt its nuclear program, and after Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has called for Israel to be "wiped off the map."

This should up the Anti between the two countries!!

The latest submarines not only would be able to carry out a first strike should Israel choose to do so, but they also would provide Israel with crucial second-strike capabilities, said Paul Beaver, a London-based independent defense analyst.

Link: news.yahoo.com...

If Israel is backed into a corner by Iran (and we all know Israel hates being backed into a corner). I can see some missiles going flying to The Presidents Palace in Iran!!

Israel will not attack Iran or use nuclear weapons against Iran without the approval of the United States. People keep forgetting, Iran will NOT sit down and take the beating, they will retaliate. Many of you also underestimate the power of Iran. Iran has more than enough combat aircraft, armed helicopters and missiles to launch an attack. A first strike by Israel will not be sufficient to render Iran defenseless unless they use nuclear weapons.

Some people are making the assumption that Israel has somehow managed to be defeated, or at least fought to a draw by Hezbollah in Lebanon.

They are then extrapolating this assumption into a scenario that if "Iran trained and supplied Hezbollah, then Iran's military must be more than Israel can handle".




I hope that for the sake of the Iranian people, and the rest of the world, that the Iranian government is not making that same erroneous assumption.

Israel was not defeated, nor fought to a draw in Lebanon by Hezbollah.

Avoiding excessive civilian casualties was what stopped Israel from wiping Hezbollah off of the planet.

Much like other "Arab Jihadists", usually Hezbollah hides among women and children, and only strike out at mainly civilian targets.

In a "no holds barred", "head to head " fight, then Israel should have been sitting in Damascus by now. (Thus eliminating Hezbollah and Syria).

Arabs know that when they fight against superior forces the only chance they have at survival is to hide behind their civilians (women and children), or behind their religion (in their mosques).

Vietnam taught the world a lesson in that, by using the media and manipulating public opinion through scenes of civilian suffering, a country doesn't have to "win" the fight to win a war. By placing civilians in "harms way" and then promoting their suffering, then you can erode the support behind most military actions.

Hezbollah survives because CNN and FOX provide them a forum in which to show what a "big bad bully" Israel is. Not because of their prowess as fighters.

One thing is certain. Israel will fight. If their existence is threatened by anyone, then they will come out fighting like a mother.

The holocaust taught the Jews a very painful and lasting lesson.

That lesson is fight or die.

The only questions remains is to what extent will the rest of the world stand back and let Israel fight? If they try to "limit" Israel's military options then Israel could face serious problems in taking on Iran.

In an open fight to the death between the two?

I believe I'd put my money on the Jews for that one.

We'll just have to see who backs who, and to what extent things influence the rest of the world, and it's response.

Israel will not attack Iran or use nuclear weapons against Iran without the approval of the United States. People keep forgetting, Iran will NOT sit down and take the beating, they will retaliate. Many of you also underestimate the power of Iran. Iran has more than enough combat aircraft, armed helicopters and missiles to launch an attack. A first strike by Israel will not be sufficient to render Iran defenseless unless they use nuclear weapons.

What makes you think the US will not give Israel the green light to go ahead and nuke Iran? They gave Israel advanced approval before they ground conflict with Hezbulloh.

If Iran imposes an increasing threat to the Civillians in Israel. Any Sov Nation does not need the approval from anyone if it feels its citizens are being increasingly threatend with being wiped off the MAP!!

An you keep forgetting Israel will not sit down either and let Iran threaten its people or its nation when ever Iran feels like it, or wait for Iiran to strike first.

Push come to shove Can gurantee you Israel will use them if they are forced to.

There is no way Israel will do this alone PLEASE they failed to flush out a few elderly peasant guerrillas AKA Hezzbola and there gonna beat a fully funded army . Israel may be many things but DUMB is not one of them. BUT on the other hand i can clearly see the Mossad orchestrating some bogus terror attack to draw the US in. We all know Israel is fully capable of such dog acts just ask the survivors of the USS Liberty .

well could very well happen. goes along with what albert pike said about Isreal and ww iii

Hey it would not be Israel attacking Iran at the very, very least it would have to be Israel attacking Iran and Syria.

Iran and Syria mde a pact that if one gets attacked they will defend each other.

So unless Israel wants to fight an all out war with Syria Hezbollah and Iran at the very least not even considering their other super friendly and nice neighbors then they will attack Iran, but they dont so its not even a scenario.

When it comes to wars and battles you have to take into account risk vs reward, do they stand to gain more by the risk of attacking or not lose as much by the risk of not attacking.

There are several factors that need to be considered if Israel and Iran were to fight.

1. Geography - Due to current national borders one country, or the other, would have to invade other sovereign nations in order to reach the border of the opposition. Israel is not going to "carry the fight" to Iran in a ground war.

Doing this would require Israel to invade Jordan, Syria, and or Iraq. Other Arab countries will not allow Israel to occupy and hold territory. The option of any "expeditionary force" sent to confront Iran is totally out of the question.

The same may be said of Iran. They would most likely have to move through Northern Iraq. The Kurds and the Sunnis might oppose this in any number of ways(mainly political or guerrilla attacks). In any event the Iranian army would be exposed and liable to be defeated in detail (by the Israeli Air Force) as it tried to move through such hostile terrain.

An amphibious assault would be too ludicrous to consider by either side.

That leaves the options limited to either an air war, missile war, and/or nuclear exchanges flown over the above mentioned countries. A protracted war fought in such a manner would cause considerable damage to both sides, but not enough to deliver a "knockout punch" to either side unless the nuclear option is used.

2. Politics - The ramifications are too numerous to go into here. Everyone knows what is at stake if the fight starts.

Either side could win if they receive enough support from allies, or neutral countries.

Most likely scenarios point toward Israel fighting the Iranians in the air, and the Syrians on the ground. (A situation that appeals to the arm chair generals).

It is possible that the situation could go nuclear if Egypt were to back the Iranians, but that seems unlikely.

It is probable that plans have already been distributed for Israel to "take out" any Iranian nuclear threat, as well as any Iranian offensive air capabilities, in a first strike, then go "toe to toe" with the Syrians.

A few "Blackout bombs", and a massive precision airstike, could sideline Iran long enough for Israel to repulse and/or defeat Syria.

A hard sucker punch to the nose of Iran, followed by a "Roper Dope" type strategy against reprisals, may be in the works.

I can't imagine Israel losing unless nuclear weapons are employed against it.

In any case we will either see the end of the world as we know it, or an end to "Radical Islam " on a "state sponsored" scale.

As stated in January of last year: /go98z

... the United States, backed by Israel, is deadly earnest about neutralizing Iran's nuclear weapons site. "The administration has determined that there is no diplomatic solution," said John Pike, president of the online think-tank globalsecurity.org.

"Like the Israelis, the Bush administration has decided that forces of sweetness and light won't be running Iran any time soon, and that having atomic ayatollahs is simply not acceptable."

"Hang on to ya hat granny. We gonna blow the dust off of this here thang"!



edit for: Thanks MMGR.

[edit on 25-8-2006 by RecDude]

War between Israel and Iran will result in a huge blood bath in the middle east.

I seriously cannot see Israel going after Iran on its own, the costs would be too high and it would end up sucking other countries in too. Israel wouldn't risk that.

Originally posted by myowncrusade
So everyone is afraid of Iran... because they want a cheap source of power. Oooooooooooooooooo.

Why doesn't someone sell them a nuke reactor, and run it etc.. If they want it they wil buy it from a western power. (or possibly be given it).

They have been offered a reactor and the non-weapons grade fuel for free. They turned down the offer.