Bob Lazar fact or fiction???

its near what is considered east gate, and really I dont care if the charts have been updated. Or if its 4808E now. Or even if its not called S4 anymore.

I am not going to put a sticky on a map and say right here, right where this little ridge meets this other one.

Its the North East corner of what is was R4808N.

I am not interested it playing the name game "oh its called this or that now". Only people that want to confuse and subjegate play those games.

The physical place on the map remains the same, regardless of what term or name you want to call it today or tomorrow or 5 years from now.

Originally posted by Gazrok

Go a step further and look for the old "Sport Model" Testor brand UFO model kit. Inside, there is a booklet with most of the stuff from the website, etc. I did this years ago, hehe...and actually a search on Lazar is what first brought me here...

John Andrews (VP Testors) and I were brought together in our research on Skunkworks aircraft. I had a huge file on the A-12, YF-12A and SR-71. John was interested in the U-2. There is a letter that used to be floating around the web that I wrote to John circa 1981 in which I told him all UFO stories were bs (which I thought at the time). In 1988 I met Bob Lazar and introduced him to John Andrews. Then we met Jim Goodall, (Minnesota Air Guard) who ended up with one of the A-12's which the Guard restored. John said he would do a "Sport Model" for Testors when he felt there was enough evidence that it was real. I never asked John what the final 'evidence' was he found that made him go ahead with the Testor's Sport Model. When John passed away several years ago he had asked both Jim and I if we would drop his ashes over Groom Lake. Jim Goodall and I rented a helicopter in Las Vegas and flew to the northern edge of N4808N (now N4808E) being circled by the ever present Beech 1900's. As we flew west along the northern border of Groom Lake (it was cloudy and rainy) I got on Dreamland VHF and announced: "Dreamland, Dreamland, this is John Lear and Jim Goodall. We are sending John Andrews down to Runway 32. May God rest his soul." Jim poured out John's ashes which, because of the north wind we felt sure would hit the runway if not the big hangar.

I don't believe a word out of Bob Lazar's mouth.
And I don't believe there are aliens living on Venus or Jupiter either !

Originally posted by robertfenix

Only people that want to confuse and subjegate play those games.

And thats why you are not answering my question as to what is your information source for your statement below?

there are no hangers at S4 whether in the mountain or below the sand.

Originally posted by Schaden

I don't believe a word out of Bob Lazar's mouth.

Theres a club, I think.

And I don't believe there are aliens living on Venus or Jupiter either !

What do you consider an alien? Or would your statement have been more accurate written: "And I don't believe anybody lives on Venus or Jupiter either"?

Yeah Gazrok I know about the sport model, I wrote on page 1, I like the idea that it pulls space toward it and when it lets go the craft goes with it at near infinite speeds. It's really interesting stuff. Go to page 1 and you will see some things about dark matter that i have attempted to link to this.

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John lear do you mind if I ask what your connection to Bob Lazar is i.e friends, Aquaintances or did you interview him????

Originally posted by Schaden
I don't believe a word out of Bob Lazar's mouth.
And I don't believe there are aliens living on Venus or Jupiter either !

Has this been stated by Bob Lazer or did he say that the greys live on planet #4(or serpo I think) in the zeta reticuli system???

anyone who has a clearance knows that Bob Lazar is lying, end of story. The guy is a walking contradiction first off, secondly people with that level of clearance dont talk in public about. Most wont even tell you they have it, let alone what they know.

Bob Lazar is the real deal. The reason he went public with his information is because he wanted to protect himself. Also, a few years ago, his nondisclosure contract expired, which means he can tell anyone he wants.

When Bob went public, the government decided to delete all his credentials, and history. So when people did a background check, nothing would turn up, so no one would believe his story. His story is unbelieveable to the average joe, and the subject matter alone is enough to make people think he is lying.

Bob Lazar knows things about Area 51 that only real workers know. He has been tested before. He knew certain colors of certain objects. He knew the names of certain people. He knew it all. It has already been proven that he in fact worked in Area 51 and or S-4.

John Lear here, and George Knapp are creditable sources of info. I suggest you take note of everything they say.

Originally posted by chris01621

John lear do you mind if I ask what your connection to Bob Lazar is i.e friends, Aquaintances or did you interview him????

I met Bob Lazar in the summer of 1988. Gene Huff came over to do an appraisal on my house and his friend Bob Lazar came along with him. In return for the appraisal I had agreed to give Gene a copy of all my UFO documents and video tapes. During my conversation with Gene Huff that afternoon Bob Lazar told us that he had worked at Los Alamos National Laboratories and that if UFO’s existed he would have known about it. He said Gene and I were both idiots for even talking about UFO’s.

During the next few months, despite the UFO comments Bob and I became friends and I would give him current UFO stuff. In November of 1988 Bob Lazar was convinced enough about the possible existence of UFO’s that he called Dr. Edwin Teller (father of the H-bomb), an acquaintance, and asked for a job at Area 51. Dr. Teller said he would see what he cold do. Bob got 3 security and job interviews over at EG&G offices and on or about Dec. 6, 1988 was taken to S-4 near Groom Lake for his first day on the job. He came to my house that night and told me about seeing actual extraterrestrial flying saucers in the hangar there.

Bob worked part time at S-4 until April 7, 1989, the day after Bob, myself, Gene Huff, Bob’s wife and her sister got caught by security near Groom Lake watching flying saucer test flights. Bob was driven to Indian Springs Air Force Base (now Creech Air Force Base by his boss Dennis Marianna. Indian Springs is the location of central security for all the Nevada Test Site including TTR and Area 51.

Bob was given a thorough dressing down for bringing his friends out to an area near Groom Lake to watch the flying saucer test flights. He was told in no uncertain terms that his clearance was in jeopardy if he didn’t quit telling his friends what was going on and bringing them out to watch the saucer tests. He was asked if he wanted to continue working at S-4. Bob didn’t answer them that day but he did tell them a couple of days later that he didn’t want to continue working at S-4. The reason, he told me, he didn’t want to continue working there is that on his last trip up on the Special Projects Boeing 737 he said he could remember going up the steps to the airplane and coming back down the steps but couldn’t remember anything else including the flight or anything else that happened at S-4.

The next Sunday was the day I did the 3rd “On The Record” TV interview with George Knapp.” That evening George called and said that he had gotten so many calls about the program that he wanted to do an encore and what would I suggest. George didn’t know about Bob at that time so I called Bob and asked him if we wanted to ‘spill the beans’. He said yes and the next day, Monday, KLAS-TV Channel 8 filmed the live, infamous, ‘bean spill’ on the 5 o’clock news, in the driveway of my home, with Bob in silhouette. Bob told about S-4 and the 9 extraterrestrial disks located there.

Of course, it caused a world wide media sensation. The next day is when somebody shot out one tire on Bob’s car. He spent the night on the couch in my living room because he was afraid to go home.

A few days later, George Knapp and Bob Stoldau, News Director for Channel 8, came over to my house and spent 3 hours questioning Bob. George was asking Bob Stoldau if he could do a 6 part series on Lazar and Stoldau wanted to meet and talk to Lazar himself before he gave approval. At the end of the meeting Stoldau told George to ‘go ahead’.
For 13 years in a row Bob put on “Desert Blast’ which was the largest illegal fireworks show west of the Mississippi out at Dry Lake Nevada, about 10 miles north of Las Vegas. It was a ‘real happening’ every year for the thousands that attended. Every year it got bigger and better as people brought all kinds of fireworks, cannons, guns, jet cars and airplanes. The last year we had a B-26 and several small fighters that landed on the dry lake bed. Because I was good friends with the BLM Rangers I covered for Bob on the permit side of things.

Bob had a contract for rebuilding radiation probes for LANL and Bob and I used to drive from Las Vegas to Los Alamos (about 14 hours), rebuild the probes, (took about 8 hours to rebuild 300 of them) and then drive back to Las Vegas. Later, when Bob started to make a little money we started taking the airline to Albuquerque, then renting a car and driving to Los Alamos.

5 or 6 years ago Bob moved to New Mexico. In 2002 I delivered a Lockheed L-1011 to Roswell for storage and took a bus up to Albuquerque where Bob and his wife Joy met me. I stayed at their house for a couple of days. Bob gave me the half scale model of the saucer propulsion unit that you see in the pictures on boblazar.com that Joe Vannenitti made. Joe worked at Los Alamos with Bob and when Bob worked at S-4 Joe worked at NTS.

I last heard from Bob last January when he promised me by email that he would tell me how many chargons could bind to an smu.

I know that he is very busy with unitednuclear.com.

Originally posted by chris01621

Has this been stated by Bob Lazer or did he say that the greys live on planet #4(or serpo I think) in the zeta reticuli system???

Bob said that in the briefings he read at S-4 that it said that the 'greys' come from Reticulum 4, the fourth planet out from Zeta Retuiculi 2. Bob never mentioned the name 'Serpo" which I believe to be a fabrication for an upcoming information scam about Reticulum 4 and the greys.

Originally posted by johnlear
What do you consider an alien? Or would your statement have been more accurate written: "And I don't believe anybody lives on Venus or Jupiter either"?

An intelligent/sapient being not from the Earth.
I don't believe aliens or anything else lives on Venus or Jupiter.
I don't believe there are trees or a breathable atmosphere on the Earth's moon either.

Originally posted by LAES YVAN
Bob Lazar is the real deal. The reason he went public with his information is because he wanted to protect himself. Also, a few years ago, his nondisclosure contract expired, which means he can tell anyone he wants.

That's funny because when I held a top secret clearance and was briefed into SCI,
my nondisclosure contract was for 70 years. And trust me, the information I was briefed into was much less sensational than UFO/Alien technology.
By your reasoning this guy had access to highly classified, blackworld, unacknowledged SAP material and was only obligated for 10 maybe 20 years ? Not plausible to anyone who has held clearance at the theoretical level UFO/alien tech would be classified to.

Originally posted by LAES YVAN
When Bob went public, the government decided to delete all his credentials, and history. So when people did a background check, nothing would turn up, so no one would believe his story. His story is unbelieveable to the average joe, and the subject matter alone is enough to make people think he is lying.

Even if they had wiped his academic credentials clean, why can't Bob produce a single professor or known MIT/Cal Tech alumni/us who remembers him ?
What was his master's thesis at MIT ?

Originally posted by LAES YVAN
Bob Lazar knows things about Area 51 that only real workers know. He has been tested before. He knew certain colors of certain objects. He knew the names of certain people. He knew it all. It has already been proven that he in fact worked in Area 51 and or S-4.

Mind explaining this in more detail ? What does he know what only a real worker would know ? How can you even verify this claim ? He has not proven he worked at A-51 or S-4.

I'm no physicist, but people with that background (Stanton Friedman) have called out his numerous errors and misstatements revealing he obviously does not have the advanced scientific education he claims.

I think he was a low level employee of some defense contractor.
He heard some stories, did a little research, and added his own heaping pile of BS.

And for the record I believe in UFO/Alien visitation and a govt coverup, but Bob Lazar
has no credibility. I'm amazed any Ufologist takes him seriously.

I suggest you read a bit more....


Start here....

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Read all interview questions with George Knapp. I suggest starting with "Bob Lazar Persecution".


Schaden I have no reason to lie to you, Bob Lazar is the real deal.



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Originally posted by logreq

anyone who has a clearance knows that Bob Lazar is lying, end of story. The guy is a walking contradiction first off, secondly people with that level of clearance dont talk in public about. Most wont even tell you they have it, let alone what they know.

WOW!!! I knew Bob for 18 years and never figured out he was lying. What a dunce I am.

Originally posted by LAES YVAN
Schaden I have no reason to lie to you, Bob Lazar is the real deal.
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I don't doubt your sincerity.
But I believe you are mistaken.
Lazar is a fraud.

Schaden did you read the interviews? Did you do any research? Who are you to say he is a fraud? Where is your proof he is a fraud? Untill you have proof he is a fraud, your words mean nothing.

Bob Lazar positivly completed polygraph tests. With my experiance with polygraph tests, it takes an INTENSIVE amount of training, discipline, and nerve to lie on a polygraph without being detected. You have to go through months and months of training to be able to fake a polygraph, even then, its a skill that takes a while to master. I'm pretty sure Bob Lazar doesn't practice this skill.

Schaden you are the type of person who would deny that anyone works at Area-51. Like it is some magical place that only umpa lumpas work at, and live in. Hundreds of people have worked at Area-51. If nobody ever said anything about Area-51 you and many others would probably say "If Area 51 had alien crafts and simular objects, you would think 1 or 2 people would break their silence and blow a whistle". Well Bob Lazar is the one who has.

Same with the 9-11 conspiracy. People right now are saying "If 9-11 was a government inside job, you would think people would come forward and break the silence and blow the whistle". It's only a matter of time....

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Mr. Lear-
Do you believe there is any chance that Bob was used essentially as a controlled disinformation leak? By that I mean is it possible that the disc and whatever Bob might have been exposed to was nothing more then smoke and mirrors to divert possible attention away from any other black project? If Bob was drugged in some way, as he more or less indicated, on one of the Janet flights, could it be he was drugged and led through a senario to make him believe he was seeing something he wasnt?

I would also ask if you actually witnessed structured craft on any of Bob's "outings" on those nights at Groom Lake, or if they were only lights moving erratically?

Thanx,
Jeff

I am told that it is FACT, and that he has an unnerving ability to get things under control.

Originally posted by chris01621
I dont know how old this topic might be but i only heard of bob lazar recently. I would like to know wether you guys belive his story or not and to discuss any topic he is saying is true. If you dont know who Bob Lazar is go to boblazar.com read evrything that is written, it took me about 1 hour 30 mins to read and understand evrything that is be stated, you will find it very interesting and then come back and post you opinians.

I will tell you the only reason Bob Lazar holds any credability to me is this:

There were entities in the government and sources at Los Alomos that officially stated that Bob Lazar had never worked there. Yet, the IRS had W-2s and other tax records, as did Bob, that are absolute documentation that Bob Lazar was working there when he said he was.

This is why i have not totally disregarded his story as bogus. And, also some personal reasons. There is some truth in what he says, in my opinion.