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Originally posted by Elijio
That does not account for the huge leap in intelligence from nenderthal man to us, and that the smarter ones lived longer and could mate more can be said for every other species. Why can't a chimp build a PC? see...
Originally posted by alpha_omega
Also, you must take into account the heredity of a family. A child born in the jungle, and raised by chimps, will have a much different muscle structure, and mental capacity. We integrate our babies and children into an intelligent society. Who knows what a human would be like, if they didn't have their first words by the age of two, and if they didn't have an education. That child would not be intelligent. He would be out in the wild, working with all the aspects of survival that every other species works with.
[edit on 16-8-2006 by alpha_omega]
God created man. God created the angels. God knew ahead of time, that these people would deflect from him. Therefore God created evil.
You stated that Satan chose not to follow God... therefore how would you be punished? If I, who is not a believer in God, were sent to hell by 'him', then why would I be punished by a fellow non-follower? That makes absolutely no sense.
How do you know God was there before anything? 'He just is,' is not a viable answer. You state that you want evidence to believe in something. There is no evidence for anything which you are saying right now. What evidence do you have that the universe isn't eternal, and God is? What evidence do you have that God is outside the universe? Where is this coming from? Is this just a random thought or belief of yours, that can not be backed up by anything? Evolution can be backed up with the exception of several gaps. What you state, can not be backed up by anything, other than faith and belief, there is no hard evidence. Just because you say something is true, doesn't mean it is. That goes for whoever told you all of that mumbo-jumbo.
Going back to #1... God knows everything that has ever happened, or will happen. Why would he create a person knowing that they would not follow. Why would he create me, if he knew that I would not follow? If I don't exist yet, then I don't have a free will yet. Why would he create me knowing this turn out? 'Live the way he designed us to live,' implies that we have no free will. We don't have a choice, we will do as he wants, that is exactly what you just told me.
What pleasure does God get out of us? What evidence do you have to support this, and how do you know?
Evidence. Creationists will never believe in Evolution for the lack of solid 100% evidence, even though we have 80% filled out. That is ironic however, considering the fact that they only want to believe the area which has the most evidence... and their area of belief to be true, has none...
Originally posted by Elijio
So the tribes in the Amazon are not intelligent? edcation equates intelligence? Please clarify.
Originally posted by Elijio
This is a very good discussion IMO.
Originally posted by Elijio
I remember reading an article about our genetic makeup and us having
dna(?) that we didn't acquire from neanderthal man and it has something to do with scientists searching for a missing link. Perhaps someone who knows the article i'm speaking of can provide a link. If everything added up for them(scientists) there would be no search for a "missing" link, I think.
Originally posted by Elijio
It's very interesting and BTW what do you think of my Genesis theory? (Please be kind)
1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
1:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
Originally posted by LancerJ1
I agree this is all about faith and you can choose if you believe me. Just because evolution can be backed up doesn't prove God cannot exist. You believe God doesn't exist by faith. Just as we cannot prove that he does exist, we believe he does by faith.
Loyalty to a person or thing; allegiance
Originally posted by LancerJ1
Science points back to the big bang, which indicates that the universe had a beginning and as a result is not eternal and you can't get something out of nothing, and so I believe that God was the one responsible for creating the universe.
Originally posted by LancerJ1
Evidence. Creationists will never believe in Evolution for the lack of solid 100% evidence, even though we have 80% filled out. That is ironic however, considering the fact that they only want to believe the area which has the most evidence... and their area of belief to be true, has none...
Actually a number of creationists believe in evolution. One theory is that God used the Big Bang to create the universe and God created humans once evolution had done its job. I believe it is possible for evolution to exist to some degree. I find it unlikely that 80% of evolution theory complete.
Science points back to the big bang, which indicates that the universe had a beginning and as a result is not eternal and you can't get something out of nothing, and so I believe that God was the one responsible for creating the universe.
Originally posted by Prot0n
If god could have always just been, then so could whatever properties that have lead to the universe.
You don't know what existed prior to this universe. NO ONE does.
Supernatural dieties were primitive GUESS'S.
It started off with natural process's being from gods, slowly evolving into US being from gods. This is easily seen if you bother to look.
Originally posted by Nygdan
Good points semper, however I would say that we wil never prove the Theory of Evolution, no theory ever gets proven. This is a basic 'problem' of science, it doesn't get at "The Truth" (notice the caps), but rather, at best "approaches the truth", or, as some have said "increases in truth-likeness (aka "versimilitude")".
Originally posted by alpha_omega
Actually, no. I don't believe in God do to reason, what many Creationists claim to have. When I think of God, I think of the probability of such a thing, and I use my reason to believe that he doesn't exist.
The definition of faith which best describes what believers in God, I believe would be:
Loyalty to a person or thing; allegiance
I have nothing to be loyal to.
Actually, the "Big Bang" doesn't describe the beginning of the universe. "Matter can not be created nor destroyed." If that were the beginning, matter would have been created. The Big Bang, describes how the Universe that we know of, came to be. Before the big bang, everything was supposedly one big rock. The Big Bang theory, doesn't describe a specific point of creation for everything. Some theorists believe that matter is in a constant cycle of combining to one big rock, exploding outword, coming back in... and it's a cycle that reamps constantly.
As I explained in my previous post, that would completely disprove the book of Genesis, the first book of the Torah and Christian Bible. If you believe in that theory, than you should also believe that the book of Genesis has been disproven... which disproves the word of God (to many), which disproves God in the first place, which proves that evolution was the source of all life.
Originally posted by alpha_omega
Actually, the "Big Bang" doesn't describe the beginning of the universe. "Matter can not be created nor destroyed." If that were the beginning, matter would have been created. The Big Bang, describes how the Universe that we know of, came to be. Before the big bang, everything was supposedly one big rock. The Big Bang theory, doesn't describe a specific point of creation for everything. Some theorists believe that matter is in a constant cycle of combining to one big rock, exploding outword, coming back in... and it's a cycle that reamps constantly.
Originally posted by Valhall
Actually he is applying the scientific method - to the theory of evolution - and then pointing out where that theory falls short when the scientific method is applied. It's called a logical argument.
BUT - I have some physical proof I would like addressed that I have presented a couple of times on this board and never gotten an adequate answer to.
Scientists extracted the DNA of a honeybee trapped in amber 40 million years ago and then they compared it to the modern day honeybee. THEY WERE VIRTUALLY IDENTICAL.
By applying Darwin's survival of the fittest rules and the theory of evolution wouldn't this mean...
1. The honeybee is apparently the ultimate design, and
2. We're all evolving toward superior honey-bee-ish-ness?
Please help me understand. *bzzzzzz*