The Top Four Arguements Against The 911 Conspiracy

Originally posted by HowardRoark

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
1). Why did Bush say he saw the first plane hit when everybody knows that isn't true?

Who cares.

So, you don't care when your president lies to you? Well, I do....read my sig....truer words have never been spoken...thanks Valhall.

Originally posted by HowardRoark

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
2). Why did Pentagon, NORAD and FFA lie to 9/11 commision?

There is no evidence that anyone lied, certainly things were presented in a way that minimized the shortfalls of that morning. This is only human nature.

Only human nature to lie while under oath? Oh, I forgot....who knows who was under oath and who wasn't...if anyone.

Originally posted by HowardRoark

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
3). Why won't they release the tape of a supposed 757 hitting pentagon? (they released a rudimentary one that shows nothing)

Maybe because no tapes exist.

If no tapes exist, then I really find it hard to feel secure when the most secure building in the world had such low security.

Originally posted by HowardRoark

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
Answer these and then I will post more.
AAC

Don’t bother if you aren’t going to answer my question to you.

How do you interpret Rodriguez’s original statements made on 9/11? Do you think that these original statements indicate that there were bombs in the basement?

I'll agree with you on this point if you'll agree with me on this one. How do you interpret many eyewitness (earwitness) accounts of explosions from firefighters made on 9/11?

So, you'd rather take this man's first account but ignore all the other firsthand accounts that say explosions, bombs in the building, molten steel etc. Selective interpretation of the facts at hand maybe?

For the record... I never metioned the employees name that I referenced. Howard placed this name and story on the board, he tried to trap me into a falsehood. Don't buy the hype!

AAC

*SNIP*

Again with the ad hominum attacks.

Answer my question.

You stated:

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
How can I misinterpret a building engineer say, after the plane hit, I hear a series of explosions that I thoght was coming from the basement. I thought it sounded like a boiler blowing up.

The actual statement from the video is thus:

Willy, a janitor who worked in the World Trade Center for 20 years was in sub level 1 when the North Tower was hit.

"And all of a sudden we heard boom! And I thought it was a generator that blew up in the basement. And I said to myself: Oh my God, I think that's the generator." "And I was going to verbalize it, and when I finished saying that in my mind, I hear boom!" "Right on the top. Pretty far away. So, it was a difference between coming from the basement and coming from the top. And thats..., everybody started screaming. And a person comes running into the office saying: Explosion, explosion, explosion! He had his hands extended. And all the skin was falling from under his arm. All the way to the top of the fingertips. And it was hanging from both arms. Hanging and hanging. And then I looked at his face and he was missing parts of his face. And I said: What happened? What happened? And he said: The elevators, the elevators.

Am I the only one who finds the irony in this to be hilarious?

Here is AAC harping about a misstatement by Bush as proof of a conspiracy, when AAC is guilty of the same thing in this very thread!



If you can admit you were wrong and mis stated what you saw on a video, then can’t you admit that someone else is capable of the same type of error?





BTW The ORIGINAL statement from this person, a janitor, made on the day of the attacks was thus:

I was in the basement, which is the support floor for the maintenance company, and we hear like a big rumble. Not like an impact, like a rumble, like moving furniture in a massive way. And all of sudden we hear another rumble, and a guy comes running, running into our office, and all of skin was off his body. All of the skin.

You have yet to answer my question on how you interpret this.

Was it a rumble or a boom? Is the term “rumble” consistent with the plane impact?

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[edit on 15/8/2006 by Mirthful Me]

First off, I am a civilian. The president is the president. Again, way to show your intellectual reality. Listen, you did what most pathetic debaters do. Ignore the pertenant debates, and hang on a he said she said debate, which is irrelevant. Then claim a victory? RU Serious?

For the last time: This was not the testimony I was referring to. Watch the video and I can stop wasting my time.

You answered my valid questions with WHO CARES? You have lost this fight until proven otherwise. BTW, I want you toprove me wrong that pur government isn't nafarious, I really do. I'm just smart enough to realize you are way off in that endeaver.

AAC

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
For the last time: This was not the testimony I was referring to. Watch the video and I can stop wasting my time.

Then I suggest that you re watch if first.

maybe this will help

please find the quote that you are refering to.

Originally posted by HowardRoark
Do you think it was a deliberate lie or just a misstatement?

1. He said he saw the FIRST PLANE and thought "what a bad pilot"
2. An aide comes into the classroom and tells him the second plane hit.

It was a LIE or he is fricking delusional.

Originally posted by HowardRoark
Like I said, human nature. Is it right? No. Is it proof of CYA? Possibly. Is it proof of a conspiracy to commit the attacks? No.

Gov't officials giving untrue accounts that change over time is lying. It is proof that they are covering up SOMETHING...

Originally posted by HowardRoark
You counted them, Why?

To prove an OBVIOUS point about the supposed lack of footage at the Pentagon.

Originally posted by Griff
So, you don't care when your president lies to you? Well, I do....read my sig....truer words have never been spoken...thanks Valhall.

Oncee again, No one has provided any proof that this was a deliberate lie. A misstatment, yes, but a deliberate lie?

Come on, get real.

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Considering he hasn't exactly gone out of the way to clarify it, but I've got simpathy for poor old Bush He never knows what he's doing these days. What a fool.

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
For the record... I never metioned the employees name that I referenced. Howard placed this name and story on the board, he tried to trap me into a falsehood. Don't buy the hype!

AAC

Then please tell me where you got that info from.

It is wrong in any case.

Originally posted by HowardRoark
Oncee again, No one has provided any proof that this was a deliberate lie. A misstatment, yes, but a deliberate lie?

Come on, get real.

HowardRoark:

1. He states he saw the FIRST PLANE on a television PRIOR to entering the classroom and thought it was "a bad pilot".
2. He is in the room when an aide tells him the second plane hit.

He is claiming to have seen something that WAS NOT BROADCAST. OOPS!

It was and is a deliberate lie or he is delusional and should be removed from office.

[edit on 15-8-2006 by Slap Nuts]

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
First off, I am a civilian. The president is the president.

Again, way to show your intellectual reality. Listen, you did what most pathetic debaters do. Ignore the pertenant debates, and hang on a he said she said debate, which is irrelevant. Then claim a victory? RU Serious?

First off HR is a very knowledgable figure on this website, who does an excellent job in finding evidence to support his claims. Do not insult his intelligence, since that just makes you lose credibilty, pointing fingers and calling others names like a little school girl. Just answer his questions, cause he sure has answered yours.

YOU asked about GW's statement, and he could have made an error. It happens. Do you ever studder? The man is human, he is known to have trouble speaking publicly, and along with that, it was a VERY confusing and depressing time for all people affected. HR said who cares because, it was slip up. Move on.

For the last time: This was not the testimony I was referring to. Watch the video and I can stop wasting my time.

Maybe you should watch it again yourself, and get the EXACT quote...

You answered my valid questions with WHO CARES? You have lost this fight until proven otherwise. BTW, I want you toprove me wrong that pur government isn't nafarious, I really do. I'm just smart enough to realize you are way off in that endeaver.
AAC

HAHAHA, yeah, OK. You honestly sound like a 12 year old, with your questions, comments, and grammar. Just answer his question. That's all he is asking.

why would the government even bother attacking its own economy!?

Originally posted by Slap Nuts
1. He said he saw the FIRST PLANE and thought "what a bad pilot"
2. An aide comes into the classroom and tells him the second plane hit.

It was a LIE or he is fricking delusional.

I want to use this as an arguement in the future. Are there any links you could provide so that we can factually say this is how it happened? I know the second line is true because it was filmed at the time it happened.

When did he say he saw the first plane? If both those statements are true, then he definately was lying because he wouldn't have seen either plane hit.

Also, if he actually did see the second plane hit, why would he think to himself "what a bad pilot"? Obviously once the second plane hit, everyone knew that it wasn't an accident.

So, the question comes up of why would Bush deliberately lie to everyone when everyone knows he didn't see either plane hit?

I'm leaning towards delusional myself.

Originally posted by Mouth
First off HR is a very knowledgable figure on this website, who does an excellent job in finding evidence to support his claims. Do not insult his intelligence, since that just makes you lose credibilty, pointing fingers and calling others names like a little school girl. Just answer his questions, cause he sure has answered yours.

Why does HowardRoark need cheerleaders here?

No one else does.

Why don't you add information to the topic or step off Mouth?

"Do not insult his intelligence?"

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Originally posted by Slap Nuts

HowardRoark:

1. He states he saw the FIRST PLANE on a television PRIOR to entering the classroom and thought it was "a bad pilot".
2. He is in the room when an aide tells him the second plane hit.

He is claiming to have seen something that WAS NOT BROADCAST. OOPS!

It was and is a deliberate lie or he is delusional and should be removed from office.

[edit on 15-8-2006 by Slap Nuts]

Do you realize that the media misreported the 1st plane hit? Not until the SECOND plane struck did they know they were Jetliners. Remember when the CTers originally screamed 1st plane hoax until the video was released proving that wrong?

Bush probably heard that it was a small plane, like the one that crashed in Tampa. He had no visuals, just word of mouth. So, of course he would think bad pilot. He didn't even know the attacks were coming. SORRY.

You people are so ridiculous.

Originally posted by Slap Nuts


Why does HowardRoark need cheerleaders here?

No one else does.

Why don't you add information to the topic or step off Mouth?

"Do not insult his intelligence?"

WHO THE HECK ARE YOU? His wife?

the information you offer is either speculation, or, you just don't know what you are talking about.

[edit on 15/8/06 by Mouth]

Haha a bad pilot huh? Not prior warning huh?

This is a subject that will open the can of worms with NORAD, the Airtraffic controllers, why they didn't follow protocol for interception when it went off course and turned its transponder off, no nothing unusual was up, even after they tracked it to hit the World Trade Center (North Tower) and then had another plane off, and then another apparently. It's unusual how the President didn't gain word of this til he was talking with the elementary kids in Sarasota, warned about the second impact then proceeded to be there 20 minutes after his life, and the country's national security were at risk.

Big can of worms.

[edit on 8/15/2006 by Masisoar]

Originally posted by Griff
I want to use this as an arguement in the future. Are there any links you could provide so that we can factually say this is how it happened?

the quotes are from a "town hall meeting" in Florida where W is explaing what happened that day to a boy named "jordan"... the entire transcipt can be found here:

emperors-clothes.com...

I am sur a 'better' source is available.

December 4, 2001, Tuesday SECTION: WHITE HOUSE BRIEFING

LENGTH: 8408 words

HEADLINE: REMARKS BY PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH AT TOWN HALL MEETING

...

PRESIDENT BUSH: Well -- (applause) -- thank you, Jordan.

Well, Jordan, you're not going to believe where -- what state I was in when I heard about the terrorist attack. I was in Florida. And my chief of staff, Andy Card -- well, actually I was in a classroom, talking about a reading program that works. And it -- I was sitting outside the -- the classroom, waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower of a -- of a -- you know, the TV was obviously on, and I -- I used to fly myself, and I said, "Well, there's one terrible pilot." And I said it must have been a horrible accident.

But I was whisked off there; I didn't have much time to think about it. And I was sitting in the classroom, and Andy Card, my chief of staff, who is sitting over here, walked in and said, "A second plane has hit the tower. America's under attack."

And Jordan, I wasn't sure what to think at first. You know, I grew up in a -- a period of time where the idea of America being under attack never entered my mind, just like your daddy and mother's mind, probably

...

He does not use the two words "first plane" but:

1. If he saw the second plane hit BEFORE going in the room the timeing is all wrong.
2. If he saw the second plane hit the first tower would have been burning on the screen.
3. If 2 is tru, Card would not have had to tell him about the second plane.
4. He was in the class room at the time the second plane made contact.

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Originally posted by Mouth
Bush probably heard that it was a small plane, like the one that crashed in Tampa. He had no visuals, just word of mouth. So, of course he would think bad pilot. He didn't even know the attacks were coming. SORRY.

You people are so ridiculous.

WRONG MOUTH.

It is PUBLIC RECORD what Bush said he saw on TV....

See above.

Edit: My bad Mirthful me...

Back to the topic.

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