What is the ultimate Concealed carry Gun?

Originally posted by devilwasp
A .22 round to the chest or neck will do the job just fine...besides theres no need for a gun in the UK.

Yeah, they say that about Canada, too. Also, maybe the neck. If you're lucky. A .22 to the chest MIGHT kill a Bad Guy eventually, but not before you're in a world of hurt or dead.

Also, props to everyone else on the thread...good conversation. I stick by my call of .357 snubbie... because .357 is the golden standard. Doesn't jam, no safety, small, and relatively concealable.

DE

I had a good chuckle when reading that list of sayings you posted.

I especially like the one about "full auto is a way of turning money into Noise."

Sage words..on someones part.

Thanks for that site Grady.

Orangetom.

Originally posted by Tom Bedlam
Heh. Not being nosy, it's just if you're a tiny woman with no training I'd probably recommend you go get a class first and try some out for size.

Also some locales are pissy about what you can carry.

If you're carrying it in a glove box or won't maintain it, then a semi-auto is a bad deal.

If you've got big hands, and you're a bad shot, then a Thunder 5 with bird shot is your friend:

Oddly, that works for body armor too, or if you think you'll have to fire from a car, just aim at their face and let fly.


Anyways, back to business:

For 9mm or .40S&W, (and .357SIG they say), there's a new 3" Springfield Armory XD that's out, have you seen it?

That Kimber is a nice pistol. I favor the Springfield XD .45ACP's at the moment, although I have a 1911-A1 TRP as well that I like.

No exposed hammer, and it's small for a .45ACP.

Tritium sights for sure, you can get them from SA pre-installed.

Are you an IDPA member, by the way? (proselytizing mode: ON)

XD springfield .45 ACP all the way! This is the gun I wanna get! If I can't get that, I'll get a .45 HK USP. And if not that, I'll get a .45 Glock, but really, I'd prefer either a XD Springfield, and second choice is the HK USP.

Originally posted by lakewoodrealtor
I would like to get everyones opinion on this subject. What is the ultimate concealed carry gun? I have a few requirements.

1. Must be real (no dreaming here)
2. Must be available on the open market.
3. Must be concealable

If pics are available please postem while you got em.

it is my CUWS(CONCEALED USER WEAPON SYSTEM)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[edit on 18-8-2006 by huws]

Originally posted by huws

Originally posted by lakewoodrealtor
I would like to get everyones opinion on this subject. What is the ultimate concealed carry gun? I have a few requirements.

1. Must be real (no dreaming here)
2. Must be available on the open market.
3. Must be concealable

If pics are available please postem while you got em.

it is my CUWS(CONCEALED USER WEAPON SYSTEM)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[edit on 18-8-2006 by huws]

Ummmm i think you lost me here..... Please elaborate.

Thanks

E-

Originally posted by The_Time_is_now
An MP5k on a short sling under your coat. That will bring some serious firepower to the table.

Yes it will but it is not a feaseable weapon you are not waging war just protecting ones self and personal effects

Lets keep it real here please.

A thought just occured to me, were thinking mostly in terms of our home countries for carrying a weapon, but I honestly could see reason to carry something like a MP5 or K variant if you were in some of the more unpleasant and dangerous places in the world (various middle eastern countries, remove civil-war torn places in africa). In places where weapons flow freely and completely unregulated I would feel a little under-equipped to face a group of men with AKs if I was stuck with just my S&W, even with good shot placement and efficiency thats still 8 shots (7+1) to their say 90 to 120 rounds from a group of three or four. Sure its likely they would be untrained and more apt to spray-and-pray but the more rounds they expend in your direction the greater the chances one or more will strike you.

Originally posted by Helig
A thought just occured to me, were thinking mostly in terms of our home countries for carrying a weapon, but I honestly could see reason to carry something like a MP5 or K variant if you were in some of the more unpleasant and dangerous places in the world (various middle eastern countries, remove civil-war torn places in africa). In places where weapons flow freely and completely unregulated I would feel a little under-equipped to face a group of men with AKs if I was stuck with just my S&W, even with good shot placement and efficiency thats still 8 shots (7+1) to their say 90 to 120 rounds from a group of three or four. Sure its likely they would be untrained and more apt to spray-and-pray but the more rounds they expend in your direction the greater the chances one or more will strike you.

Helig


You are 100% correct in your statement i should have said in a non third world enviornment. I live in the US to be exact Texas, Dallas now dont get me wrong we do have some mighty rough areas here but not quite bad enought to carry an MP5 or a variant.

Thanks for the clairity

E-

Your concern is not unreasonable in your last post.

IN nations like you are describing I would not concern myself with carrying concealed since most of these places carry open and carry anything they can afford or acquire. You are literally describing having to deal with the more extreme forms of wildlife in your scenerio.

Some intresting stories of Hurricane Katrina have come out. Most of them being supressed in the news for obvious political reasons.

The one I recall is of a man and his wife being prepared but riding out the hurricane. His automobile survived in a parking garage and immediately afterwords he walked the few blocks to the garage and retreived his auto.
Parking it out front of his apartment he proceeded to load it up with goods and provisions for him and his wife to depart. The massive flooding had not taken palce at this point.
He owned a variant of the AK 47 series of rifles. During one of his trips downstairs with goods he and his wife were confronted with people surrounding thier automobile with obvious looks of opportunity on thier minds.
One look at him and the AK 47 slung around his neck was enough to disuade them with the concept that better opportunities awaited them further down the road. No more problems were encountered by them and they managed to leave the city.
This is not a narrative you will find on the evening news for obvious political reasons.

However this thread is about concealed carry...I am in favor of concealed carry...responsible mature concealed carry..not wildlife.

Thanks,
Orangetom

Originally posted by lakewoodrealtor

Originally posted by huws

Originally posted by lakewoodrealtor
I would like to get everyones opinion on this subject. What is the ultimate concealed carry gun? I have a few requirements.

1. Must be real (no dreaming here)
2. Must be available on the open market.
3. Must be concealable

If pics are available please postem while you got em.

it is my CUWS(CONCEALED USER WEAPON SYSTEM)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[edit on 18-8-2006 by huws]

Ummmm i think you lost me here..... Please elaborate.

Thanks

E-

The CUWS (Concealed User Weapon System) is a "next-generation" infantry weapon. It will be developed by Chinese Lee Yintao in future. The CUWS means “Concealed User Weapon System”, it may be actually called “corner shot”, “turn rifle” or “curved barrel rifle” too. Compared with the existing weapon, there are not difference in accuracy and range. You thought smart arms were cool. Well, this CUWS takes smart weapons to the next level. Imagine a city attacked by your enemy. Both your enemy and you are using conventional arms, But you have the advantage, you have a COSWS, you may conceal yourself behind heavy bullet proof shelters.


believe it or not by you!!!!!!!!??????



[edit on 18-8-2006 by huws]

While the “corner shot” is an interesting weapons system, this thread is about "concealed carry guns", not guns that allow the user to remain "concealed".

There's a big difference.

Rifles the size of the C.U.W.S. wouldn't qualify as being "on topic".

[edit on 8/18/06 by redmage]

Originally posted by redmage
While the “corner shot” is an interesting weapons system, this thread is about "concealed carry guns", not guns that allow the user to remain "concealed".

There's a big difference.

Rifles the size of the C.U.W.S. wouldn't qualify as being "on topic".

[edit on 8/18/06 by redmage]

no you are wrong,the “corner shot” is just a pistol , but the the C.U.W.S. will be a rifle in future.

Originally posted by huws
no you are wrong

Not really, and I'd say that you are wrong for going off topic and for the fact that it is not just a pistol.

There is a big difference between a weapon designed to be concealable, and a weapon designed for the user to remain concealed.

In your own words:

Originally posted by huws
but the the C.U.W.S. will be a rifle in future.

Rifles, by nature, are not a "concealable" or practical for the purposes of this thread.

They're quite long, not to mention the C.U.W.S. has alot of electronics and hardware that, as of yet, would be considered bulky when it comes to "concealed carry".

By your logic on this matter, a "sniper rifle" would be "concealed carry" since it allows the user to remain concealed. :shk:

Originally posted by huws
,the “corner shot” is just a pistol ,

Wrong, it has far too much added electronics and hardware to be considered just a pistol.

You yourself even use the term interchangably with rifle here.

Originally posted by huws
The CUWS means “Concealed User Weapon System”, it may be actually called “corner shot”, “turn rifle” or “curved barrel rifle” too.

The "corner shot" that I've seen is certainly not "just a pistol", it's a rifle for all logical purposes.

Again you yourself say above that the “corner shot”, “turn rifle”, etc. are all names for the same thing. :shk:

So, while the C.U.W.S. is an interesting weapons ststem, It is off topic.

If you'd like to discuss it further, feel free to start a new thread but, keep it out of this one.

Also, since we're on the topic of being "wrong".

Which site did you plagiarize for your description/explanation, of the C.U.W.S., above?

This one?

Source
lee yintao

The CUWS is a “next-generation” infantry weapon. It has been developed by Chinese Lee Yintao. The CUWS means “Concealed User Weapon System”, it may be actually called “corner shot”, “turn rifle” or “curved barrel rifle” too. Compared with the existing assault rifle(such as AK47 and M16), there are not difference in accuracy and range. You thought CUWS were cool. Well, this CUWS takes smart weapons to the next level. Imagine a city attacked by your enemy. Your enemy are using conventional arms, but you have the advantage, you have a CUWS, you may conceal yourself behind heavy bullet proof shelters.

Or maybe this one?

Source
The CUWS is a "next-generation" infantry weapon. It has been developed by Chinese Lee Yintao. The CUWS means “Concealed User Weapon System”, it may be actually called “corner shot”, “turn rifle” or “curved barrel rifle” too. Compared with the existing assault rifle(such as AK47 and M16), there are not difference in accuracy and range. You thought CUWS were cool. Well, this CUWS takes smart weapons to the next level. Imagine a city attacked by your enemy. Your enemy are using conventional arms, but you have the advantage, you have a CUWS, you may conceal yourself behind heavy bullet proof shelters.

Personally, I'm guessing it was this one...

Source
The CUWS (Concealed User Weapon System) is a "next-generation" infantry weapon. It has been developed by Chinese Lee Yintao. The CUWS means “Concealed User Weapon System”, it may be actually called “corner shot”, “turn rifle” or “curved barrel rifle” too. Compared with the existing weapon, there are not difference in accuracy and range. You thought smart arms were cool. Well, this CUWS takes smart weapons to the next level. Imagine a city attacked by your enemy. Both your enemy and you are using conventional arms, But you have the advantage, you have a COSWS, you may conceal yourself behind heavy bullet proof shelters.

...since instead of using the phrase, "Compared with the existing assault rifle(such as AK47 and M16)", it says, "Compared with the existing weapon".

You'd hardly want a quote comparing it to "assault rifles" when you're trying to rediculously argue that the C.U.W.C. is "just a pistol" that qualifies as "concealed carry".

The next time you decide to copy/paste, don't bother merely changing a couple words around.

Just cite your source and save the trouble.

[edit on 8/19/06 by redmage]

sorry this is my mistake.

With regards to the best concealed carry weapon is the one that you will carry with you all the time (as much as legally possible), and that you can shoot accurately. A hit with a .22 is better than a miss with a .44 magnum (you can never miss fast enough to win). And the .22 that you always carry with you is better than the .45 that always gets left in the gunsafe at home.

As I started with handguns, over time I found myself going through a learning curve and a transition. I started out with Sig-Sauer pistols, but found that the first double-action pull of the trigger severely affected my first shot accuracy. This also meant learning two different trigger pulls (double and single action), and while not impossible, was not ideal for me. (Now that Sig has the new DAK trigger system, I am tempted to re-evaluate).

Originally, I was leary of Glocks because of the horror stories I had heard of people (mostly police officers) shooting themsleves in the foot or leg because of the Glock's "light trigger pull". But this was due to poor gun-handling practices on the part of those who got shot, not due to any deficiency in the design of the weapon. So I migrated to a Glock 23 (.40 S&W). A Glock has a lot of pros in its favor - reasonable cost (approx. $500), a consistent trigger pull, reliable (an absolute must for any carry weapon), easy to clean and work on (don't have to pay money to a gunsmith for most things), and it is tough (you can't hardly beat the finish off with a hammer). Also, and this may sound funny, but it is already butt-ugly (IMHO) so you don't worry so much about scratching or "uglying" it up any more. But I was still transitioning, and I found that Glocks do have a couple of cons also - the grip angle does not point naturally for me (although this can be overcome with practice), and it is a little thick in width and can "print" a little more easily if care is not taken in how it is concealed. Don't get me wrong - my Glock is my "go-to" gun if things go down the crapper (I now have eight of them), but I still felt there was room for improvement for everyday concealed carry.

So I kept looking... and what I finally decided on was the Colt Gunsite CCO. It was not cheap ($1250), but it is thin, accurate, reliable (with proper ammo), has one of the best triggers of any pistol ever designed, is extremely concealable (with the proper holster of course), and in .45 caliber is a very effective threat stopper.

Before I finish, I want to emphasize that concealabilty is not just a function of the handgun itself. You need to look at it as a weapons system - a combination of gun, holster, and clothing. Different [sized] people will have differing requirements in these areas, so you will have to experiment and find what works best for you.

Hope this helps...

How about one of those full auto glocks? Realistically you need a class III etc.. and might as well get something like an MP5 if you're going to do it so my choice is:

Sig P229 SAS (sig anti snag)





Or if you want a revolver or just a real cannon how about the S&W .500 magnum with a 4" barrel




The .500 is probably a bit much for most people, and I'm pretty sure its only 5 shots since the rounds are so large they had to do it to fit in the cylinder.

I always thought the spurless revolvers like a Ruger SP101 in .357 were a good choice for carrying. I think they even make a titanium one so its really lightweight, but not designed for sustained firing or even range use.

Originally posted by KillRaven
I found that Glocks do have a couple of cons also - the grip angle does not point naturally for me (although this can be overcome with practice), and it is a little thick in width and can "print" a little more easily if care is not taken in how it is concealed.

The nice thing about glock grips is that you can 'stipple' them or use a soldering iron to make a nice melted textured pattern on the grip and give more traction. The glock is the most durable, reliable gun ever made, hands down. I do agree with you about the thickness of the grip from a conceal perspective, but the pros far outweigh the cons. Also I think some old-tymers are really emotional about "American" guns and revolvers and stuff but I find most of these to have clunky edges and too many moving parts (ie thumb safeties, hammers). Nah, gimme the glock and I'm good.

Originally posted by smallpeeps
I do agree with you about the thickness of the grip from a conceal perspective

From a CC perspective, they also offer the slim-line Glock 36; a .45 with a 6 round "in-line" magazine.

It would seem to be a viable alternative to a revolver of the same caliber.

Personally, I'm a fan of the ideas behind their compensated line because (especially when it comes to light weight pistols) anything to lessen the "jump" and get your next shot back on target is a good thing.

I must say though, the SA XD seems to be giving Glock quite a "run for the money".

[edit on 8/21/06 by redmage]

Firing a compensated weapon in low light/no light isn't a good thing. Blinds you.

Roper

Man, everyone is hatin' on wheelguns.

'Too many moving parts?'

'Hand cannon?'

Give me a break. Hammerless and shrouded-hammer revolvers are rounded nice and fine, and if you can't handle a .357, who are you to claim you can handle a .45 Auto? Piece of advice though...generally, stay away from titanium snubbies. Because they're so light, the felt recoil can sometimes up to double. The extra weight will help you control that recoil.

DE