Pyramid construction explained and the carnage that follows.

Originally posted by CX

Originally posted by Marchimedes

Normaly I'd now take you apart but I'm new here and don't know the limits here and want to get his down before THE CARNAGE THAT FOLLOWS. And you bo, have very swell carnage potential.

You have voted Marchimedes for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have two more votes this month.

The above vote is based purely on the basis that it's the only post for a long time to give me a good belly laugh! Ok fill your boots Mark, i'll leave you to it.

Good luck.

CX.

See, didn't take long fo us to get aquanted did it? I like puppies, candle lit dinners, holding hands while walking on the beach and letting women change me. I'm liking this place. Someone who cares about sand and blocks. Oh, it gets so way better. Images. I need images. What is this award? Where do I lean about it. What's the prize and can I trade it for beer?

..................yea me...........


[edit on 10-8-2006 by Marchimedes]

You're not the first person to claim to have the answer to how the pyramids were built. Your also not the first person to use 1, 2, 5 or even 10 tonn blocks. The simple principles of weight x arm is well know, and can be used to move quite large blocks, but they simply cannot explain how you move a 100 tonn block. Some of the ancient temples, walls and pyramids in south- and central america have even bigger blocks. So for this to be "the final answer" you must be able to demonstrate how your method can be used to move a 100 or 150 tonn block. Until you can do that, you are contributing absolutely NOTHING to this field...

I have a funny feeling he's gonna tell us how......

I'm reading, keep it coming.

Someone slept on the couch last night. Where's the quote button? () fo now around them.


(Originally posted by DrLeary
You're not the first person to claim to have the answer to how the pyramids were built.)

Show me one I can't refute and that can refute mine. Otherwise, thanks a lot for the news, now I have to change all my, "From the desk of the first person ever to answer how the pyamids were built" stationary.

( Your also not the first person to use 1, 2, 5 or even 10 tonn blocks. )

I said I was where?

(The simple principles of weight x arm is well know, and can be used to move quite large blocks, )

Yea, but I have ten years doing it and a bag of tricks you haven't even thought of. Can you move a block? Alone? While drunk? So befoe I figure out images and shock your life, (judging from you post you don't have much of one) how about you tell me a way to set a block into a space with a block in the rear and one on each side. Set it in a slot so o speak. And then how to level it. Well known? Haven't seen one person yet explain it concerning the pyramids.



(but they simply cannot explain how you move a 100 tonn block.)


Key word, they.
(Some of the ancient temples, walls and pyramids in south- and central america have even bigger blocks. )

Sorry, nodded off there, did I miss anything?
(So for this to be "the final answer" you must be able to demonstrate how your method can be used to move a 100 or 150 tonn block.)

First moving weight is "Well known" then it's "your method". Bro, try harder. Go home, practice on your little sister, and come back when you've mastered "nuh-uh".

I say this will take a while. I say I have this covered quarry to top. I say hang on I now need images here. This is my first day here and I haven't even gotten started. I started with laying out the thing. Should I have started with the King's chamber blocks just for you sport? I got the big stuff. How to move? Please. How to transport on bages down the river. Get up the pyramid, and how and where, moving it around in general, patience grasshopper, you,re still at the pushing little blocks in a staight line stage. Go back and read he fis pos again and hink about wha you have done.



(Until you can do that, you are contributing absolutely NOTHING to this field...)

First day, don't get banned, first day, don't get banned.

Then by your standards who has? Don't like my road, water level, step method? Seen that before? First time ever right? Nothing there skippy? So what have you actually refuted with fact? What have you contributed except a very, very mild first day abuse break for me? Didn't lean from CX either did you?

See folks, exactly what I've been getting. Nay saying. No ideas, refutement, compliment, witty insults, Just entry level "nuh-uh". And wrong at that.

I was so easy on you.

See how this works? Wanna play? At that other place people try me sometimes because they enjoy the abuse. It's a thing. Like IHOP after church. Like doc here digging in his nose every red light next to a bus load of cheerleaders with digital cameras. Leary. Is that your name or what they tell the boys at the Y to be when they see you?

One time. This is shtick. Get used to it. I have this with me always. Try me. I'm looking for my better so I can learn from him. Doc, that wouldn't be you. Angry ain't we? Why?

Originally posted by Beer_Guy
I have a funny feeling he's gonna tell us how......

I'm reading, keep it coming.

Can't go wrong with Beer in your name. Almost as good as being named "Elvis" or "Gimme BJ". I've got a watcher. Been thinking. I need a herald. Someone to announce me when it works out schedule wise. You know, a little "Rise now fo the first man ever to be forced to change stationary by a post, holder of the "most first day views cup" and bringer of it. Think about it, I'll abuse your foes in exchange. Believe me Beer, can I call you Beer? Or is it Mr.Guy? That last post was way mild. Really need to figure out images before I go on. At that other place I haven't told the big block deal yet. (Friggin same you know, just think....bigger)Cause I'm trying to force them to see this, in the minds eye, to think for thierselves. I'll tell it for sure. I will tell it all brother. This ol safe mover has done it. Seen a rebuke yet?

Beer. Sweet.

Gotta go image research.

Seen the PBS NOVA "This Old Pyramid" program? I'd be in chage of that crew. It was so horibly and dangerously done I almost couldn't watch, Beer.

Originally posted by Marchimedes

Originally posted by CX

Originally posted by Marchimedes

Normaly I'd now take you apart but I'm new here and don't know the limits here and want to get his down before THE CARNAGE THAT FOLLOWS. And you bo, have very swell carnage potential.

You have voted Marchimedes for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have two more votes this month.

The above vote is based purely on the basis that it's the only post for a long time to give me a good belly laugh! Ok fill your boots Mark, i'll leave you to it.

Good luck.

CX.

See, didn't take long fo us to get aquanted did it? I like puppies, candle lit dinners, holding hands while walking on the beach and letting women change me. I'm liking this place. Someone who cares about sand and blocks. Oh, it gets so way better. Images. I need images. What is this award? Where do I lean about it. What's the prize and can I trade it for beer?

Nah you're ok Mark, i'm fed up, not hard up Oh and i'm a guy by the way, who has enough of my own kids being hyper when they've had too much sugar let alone listening to it on here!

Anyway, i'll let this get back on topic and take a breather. How the hell can a post tire you out?

CX.

Originally posted by Marchimedes

I'm smarter than you and no one can talk s**t better than me.

That's nice.

You banned from posting until we (staff) hear from you that you have a desire to return and contribute in a more civilized tone.

So you can figure out the secret to building pyramids, but you can't figure out the fact that you can't post something from your C: drive onto the internet..

I've found this whole thread quite odd.

Oh, c'mon, let the guy post. This was getting interesting. He kind of reminds me of Matt Damons character on Goodwill Hunting where this smart kid who happens to be a dirt poor hoodlum figures out this impossible math equation that nobody else can. "You like apples?...I got a numba....how ya' like dem apples?"

When or if he comes back.....to post pictures you can just go to a free online image hosting site and upload your pictures. There are several. Here's one I googled that allows 20MB image files without registration.

www.keepmyfile.com...

Don' ask me to prove nothing. I'm right. Prove me wrong

[sarcasm]Nice attitude there [/sarcams]

As previous posters have told you : you might want to cut the "street-talk" when doing serious research....and who knows... someone might actualy take you serious. also the formatting of your post is really hard to read (just a suggestion)

And may bring my wrath which is terrible to behold

Anyway, are you familiar with The WILLIAMS's HYDRAULIC THEORY TO CHEOPS's PYRAMID ?

I agree; let him post, he didn't even call out anyone who didn't deserve it (not to mention he did give fair warning). At least hes made some very good points amongst all the palaver, which is more than can be said for 80% of this site's members (i include myself in that %). Usually its just the same old name calling, character defamation and unfactual responses based not on topic but some freaky personal vendettas. Someone teach him how to post images so we can get this show on the road.

btw, i was really looking foward to carnage!

Originally posted by Marchimedes
1. Two trains of thought here. They know they used the following device. Take a right triangle, (all measurements here are close, not perfect). Sides 5 3/16 x 7 1/2. Hold with hypotenuse down. Divide hypotenuse in half and mark. Attach string with pointer at bottom to top point of triangle. When two acute points are level pointer will match mark. Not a perfect system to be sure. As after 2500 years the base ends of the pyramid are less than 1" out of level it's not good enough for my tastes. Gives a rough level at best.

However, it was good enough for the Egyptians. They have examples of these tools from tombs where the builders were buried with their possessions and tools of their craft.

2.A widely accepted theory with some evidence to back it is the base of pyramid sits on bedrock. Dig trenches on a grid in bedrock for entire base of pyramid. Fill with water. Water finds it's own level. Grind bedrock over entire base down to water, fill in trenches, and you have a perfectly level base. Fine for this bottom only but then your back to the triangle for the next level.

Many pyramids (there are well over 100 in Egypt) show evidence of leveling lines: www.ethnomath.org...

In fact, other buildings such as a temple outside the pyramid of Menkaure show the same leveling lines marked on stones.
touregypt.net...

Intestine. That's right guts. Interstines are in fact very long, flexible, water tight tubes. Sure they rot after a while but some one is always killing and eating some varmint.

Tombs and public buildings are painted with images of the architects and sculptors and so forth at work. Don't see anything indicating the use of intestines partly filled with water as leveling devices. Paintings and drawings and tools left in tombs indicate they used wood levels (there's a bunch of articles and books on it. The particular site I'm linking to happens to have some good illustrations on it and pictures of the tools.)
nefertiti.iwebland.com...

Many other cultures used the same method (wood tools.)
www.pubs.asce.org...

While your theory is interesting, tomb paintings don't show such a device being used. Furthermore, since levels would be important for the builder in the afterlife, their burial chambers would have had pictures of these things even if they didn't have the actual object so that people who came to pray at the temple could magically "wish" for the tools/food/whatever to show up in the afterlife for the deceased and they would magically apear there. (Standard offering formulas include "o traveler, when passing by, say "a thousand loaves of bread for the ka of Ptahotem" or something similar.)

None of the thousands of manuscripts or painted walls describe an intestine tool or show one at work. They do show the wooden level in use, though.

First of all Mark... you are largely right, but not original...

I avoided taking the comments on ATSers intellegence personally, so that we could make some enlightened comments, to help aid marchimedes in improving his theory...

I think perhaps first we should enlighten him as to other theories that are exactly the same, or similar to his theories, so as to prevent the boy from embarrassing himself by stating a well known concept as an original thought.

marchimedes quote: claim as your own, and i will sue you!

get your lawyer ready mark, because the internet is rife with similar theories that prevent yours from being patentably unique...
the very unoriginal theory of blocks moved by rolling logs

then there is the presented theory of how the blocks were raised...

Mark, i am sure, by your own experience, that you are convinced that the way you have done it, is the way it WAS done...
that attitude is called egocentrism, and it is usually grown out of by about the age of 6....

I present to you, that the other theories are just as viable, and perhaps even less dangerous than yours...

If i am correct, these cribs (lincoln logs) are made out of stone... (wood would become misshapen far to fast, and eliminate the "level" needed for the prefection required of your technique...

if stone is used, then it does chip, and crush, unlike modern materials used in safe moving... so it is no more dependable of a "log" than anything else...

also, multi ton blocks being balanced upon almost anything, will crush the object being balanced upon... all that weight, over a much reduced area is more powerful than i think you realize... a safe crushing your toe would obliterate it, while the same safe crushing your feet, might still leave them attached...

I do hope you have learned something that will aid you in developing "Your" theory...
I feel that i have disproven yours as effectively (or more so) than you have disproven the other lifting theories...
good luck to you...

Sorry Marchimedes, I'm not buying your theory. I'm still going with alien technology building the Great Pyramid.

Peace

[edit on 10-8-2006 by Dr Love]

Is it just me or does moving a 12,000# safe up a stairwell sound like it would overload the stairs to the point of collapse?

Mark, please apologize to the board mods and learn to post pictures so we can see where you are going with this.

Man i love it when Byrd posts! Any-hoo, I applaud Mark for bringing forth a well known theory on how the pyramids were probably built, if anything, just to divert attention from the kites and sand theories.

However, I honestly hope that your anti-social attitude is strictly an online behavior. I don't see you eeking through life very easliy acting like that to people's faces. Just my opinion.

I am proud of the ATS members (for the most part) in their intelligent and scientific approaches to researching most subjects here. I am proud to say I am one of them. We wouldn't mind having one more in our midst if he could engage in intelligent and mature debates and conversation.

Originally posted by Marchimedes
The majority of the approximately 2.3 million blocks that make up the great pyramid were quarried aboot 500 yards to the south of the pyramids them selves. Many theories abound. I'm gonna smack them all.

Including the not-theories but documents left by the ancient Egyptians of that time period?

One unanswered question of the building of the great pyramid is how did they transport the blocks there. One theory is that they made a packed earth road and slid the blocks on sleds with the blocks being pulled by a mule train of men if you will with the runners of sleds being lubricated with water.

A theory that was created not only by "thinking about how it can be done" and "asking locals how they do it (low tech)" but also by reading ancient inscriptions and looking at ancient paintings and tools.

On jobs you have a thing called a schedule. 4.6 million steps is a deadline killer.

But you're living in a different culture. Things MUST be done on a schedule. In ancient Egypt and other ancient civilizations, they were "done when they were finished." Laborers were available only during non-agricultural times (the seasonal floods) and if it took 80 years to build something, well... that's how long it took.

No clocks, no calendars. Just "work until it was done."

Dragging this much weight, no matter how many men you have, is just damn ridiculas.

You might want to go back and explain that to the quarrymen of ancient Egypt, who recorded that they dragged the stones with human labor (and occasionally using oxen.) And the artists of that time who drew the workers (and oxen) at their task.
www.pubs.asce.org...

They made a damn road out of blocks. Thick, hardy, and heavy, therefor not given to much movement. The first blocks out of the quarry they used for the first pavers in the road. They paved their way to the pyramid.

Again, the written text and painted pictures left behind by those quarrymen and builders don't show them ever using stone blocks for roads. It does show them using sleds and oxen. Nor did they use paving stones for roadways. Most of the roads even in the royal cities were simply packed dirt.

(by the way, that many blocks dragged over the top stones would have left distinct track marks on the upper layers... which aren't there.)

In my research I've not seen this idea put forward.

It has been put forward. You might like to read more about the transport methods that we know about from their writings and artifacts:
www.touregypt.net...


[edit on 10-8-2006 by Byrd]

Extrapyramidal Symptoms

Originally posted by Desert Dawg
Mark, please apologize to the board mods and learn to post pictures so we can see where you are going with this.

I'm sure you know, but for the benefit of anyone who may be wondering, the only problem in this case is a lack of regard for the AboveTopSecret.com Terms And Conditions Of Use and a very basic respect for civil discussion.

One of my blurbs on the issue: Courtesy Is Mandatory

The opinions of any member who can post in accordance with the T&C are always welcome.

However, those who may suffer from uncontrolled coprolalia should seek treatment before posting.