Taking the Mask Off of Christianity

Sun Matrix:

There goes your Slanderous behavior again & you have the nerve to say that I was the one Attacking people!

How dare you? You don't even know me! People like you is what is wrong with the world today!

I can't believe that you called me a Satanist - I think that YOU are the Satanist (how does it feel?)!

Do me a favor - A) stop calling yourself a Christian (because you are really not) & B) get out of my face with your Slave Mentality!

[edit on 29-8-2006 by Seraphim_Serpente]

[edit on 29-8-2006 by Seraphim_Serpente]

Originally posted by Seraphim_Serpente
Sun Matrix:

There goes your Slanderous behavior again & you have the nerve to say that I was the one Attacking people!

How dare you? You don't even know me! People like you is what is wrong with the world today!

Like I told you if you want to discuss facts of beliefs or theories, fine, no problem.
I'll be happy to listen to what you have to say. But if you want run around with your weak personal attackes and deception, that's no problem either. Lucifer is Satan by the way and the only light Lucifer brings is deception. The weak minded are easily deceived and the weak are likely to be cut when they draw their sword.
It is written every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess Jesus is Lord.

[edit on 29-8-2006 by Sun Matrix]

Lucifer is Satan by the way

Just your opinion BTW. Try backing your Opinions with some actual Academic Scholarship (like I do in my posts) for once (if you are even of capable of this - if you have ever read any other book besides the Bible).

Sun Matrix - if I am the "Master of Deception" - then YOU are the Master of calling your OPINIONS = "Facts". You are pathetic Sun Matrix!

Originally posted by Seraphim_Serpente

Lucifer is Satan by the way

Just your opinion BTW. Try backing your Opinions with some actual Academic Scholarship (like I do in my posts) for once (if you are even of capable of this - if you have ever read any other book besides the Bible).

Yea, I saw your brilliance at work when you made this comment.

I already told you (also it is right there in Isaiah if you read it in its entirety) - it was a condemnation of the King of Babylon at a time when the Babylonians held the Israelites Captive! How can you equate a King with a Fallen Angel?

Then Stormride made this excellent post proving you wrong

This would be difficult, given that Isaiah's ministry only extended from around the year 739 BC to around 697 BC and the babylonian exile and captivity did not begin until 605 BC; so, unless you are willing to stipulate that Isaiah was making a prophetic utterance, your argument is wanting, at least logically.

Then both of you were confused about the Babylonian king and the date timing.

Like I told you they are not talking about Nebuchudnezzar they are talking about
Nimrod. Then I proved that Nimrod was king of Babylon. The facts are here in to posts above, you are proven wrong again and your just can't deal with it.

Then you want to play your little game of deception like you're fooling someone and your only fooling yourself.

Those are the facts, deal with it.

A quote from someone I can't remember the name of:

"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."

Kind of sums up my opinion on the matter really

Sun Matrix - if you would have said that the *DESCRIPTION* "Lucifer" in the Bible was in-fact a reference to the Babylonian King Nimrod (and then backed it up with some references) - then that would be one thing - you would be putting forward a theory that would be somewhat reasonable in that case.

But you are stating that this LATIN word "Lucifer/Luciferum" (i.e. The Light Bearer - a.k.a. Helel in Hebrew = Morning Star = Venus) = the use of "Satan" (the Accuser) in the Bible. I believe that you are wrong! There is nothing in the Bible to back you up! "Lucifer" was not a fallen angel but a reference to a foreign King that was an enemy of the Israelites & hence an enemy of their God. This whole ordeal is simply a matter of Mis-Translation that had been lost in time/history - thus allowing the word "Lucifer" to (incorrectly) be a synonym for "Satan". End of story!

haha sun matrix what to do? you might have to go thru the whole "sun matrix" lesson again. and still they probably wouldnt get it. maybe too complex? the deception is too strong and too old. nimrod still has his grip.



[edit on 31-8-2006 by Funkydung]

Originally posted by Seraphim_Serpente

But you are stating that this LATIN word "Lucifer/Luciferum" (i.e. The Light Bearer - a.k.a. Helel in Hebrew = Morning Star = Venus) = the use of "Satan" (the Accuser) in the Bible. I believe that you are wrong! There is nothing in the Bible to back you up! "Lucifer" was not a fallen angel but a reference to a foreign King that was an enemy of the Israelites & hence an enemy of their God. This whole ordeal is simply a matter of Mis-Translation that had been lost in time/history - thus allowing the word "Lucifer" to (incorrectly) be a synonym for "Satan". End of story!

Seraphim Serpente

Here is something in the Bible to back me up. Satan descuises himself as an angel of light. I don't know any other way to tell you. You are being deceived by the deceiver.

2 Corinthians 11:13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15 It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

The Babylonian king is Nimrod who was once called Saint Lucifer. Nimrod is also Hermes, Zoroaster, Satan, Saturn, Dagon, Zeus, Osiris etc. etc. etc. etc. The list goes on and on and on.

All straight from the Garden of Eden and the serpent. The serpent is Satan by the way.

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

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couldn't this be interpreted this way though?

the great dragon, called the devil (be it Lucifer or one of Satan's other tools be they fallen angels, aleins, or whatever) was caste out, and Satan, the power (or evil) behind him.

in no way can it be definately be clear that this is Lucifer, since in other parts of the Bible legions of demons (all Devils, all powered by Satan?) are caste out of people...

2 Corinthians 11:14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.

True the word Lucifer means "Light Bearer" - but show me were in the bible it specifically says that Lucifer was once an "angel".

The Babylonian king is Nimrod who was once called Saint Lucifer.

Oh so now you are saying that King Nimrod - who lived "Before Common Era" - we are talking like many Hundreds of Years before Christ here correct - is THE SAME as "Saint Lucifer" the Orthodox Catholic Monk that lived in the 4th Century Anno Domini? You are losing credibility all of the time Sun Matrix!

en.wikipedia.org...

-> "His name demonstrates that "Lucifer" (meaning "light-bringer") was not yet merely a synonym of "Satan" in the 4th century."

Nimrod is also Hermes, Zoroaster, Satan, Saturn, Dagon, Zeus, Osiris etc. etc. etc. etc. The list goes on and on and on.

BTW & I am now just starting to repeat myself here because you also made this statement in another thread & I had to correct you there as well. While Hermes, Saturn, Dagon, Zeus & Osiris were Pagan gods - they did not actually exist as beings. Nimrod on the other hand was an actual Babylonian King. Zoroaster was a Persian Prophet - ACTUAL MEN that lived. Are you saying that these two men - who were of two different Nationalities/Cultures are actually the same man?

Oh Well that is what happens when you decide to just make up your own Narrative!

Apparently Fundamentalism has a nasty habit of eating away at the Logic Center of the Human Brain!

Sun Matrix why don't you just admit what your reasoning is here = everyone that does not agree with your *Specific Interpretation of the Judeo-Christian Bible* must in-fact be a "Satanist".
Why don't you grow up!

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Nimrod is also Hermes, Zoroaster, Satan, Saturn, Dagon, Zeus, Osiris etc. etc. etc. etc. The list goes on and on and on.

BTW & I am now just starting to repeat myself here because you also made this statement in another thread & I had to correct you there as well. While Hermes, Saturn, Dagon, Zeus & Osiris were Pagan gods - they did not actually exist as beings.

Nimrod on the other hand was an actual Babylonian King. Zoroaster was a Persian Prophet - ACTUAL MEN that lived. Are you saying that these two men - who were of two different Nationalities/Cultures are actually the same man?

those two men are just human vessels just as the antichrist will be. satan in human form. he has been doing it for centuries. nimrod is a great example. he is the one who started the false religions that are seen around the world to lead men away from the truth.... i know it cant be that hard of a concept to grasp. just a little history on babylon would open many doors....

sorry sun for getting in on this convo but you know i had to.



[edit on 1-9-2006 by Funkydung]

Originally posted by Seraphim_Serpente


True the word Lucifer means "Light Bearer" - but show me were in the bible it specifically says that Lucifer was once an "angel".

No problem, just read what it says. How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer. I would say there is a much greater chance that an angel will fall from heaven than a Babylonian king. What do you think?

12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Originally posted by Seraphim_Serpente

Oh so now you are saying that King Nimrod - who lived "Before Common Era" - we are talking like many Hundreds of Years before Christ here correct - is THE SAME as "Saint Lucifer" the Orthodox Catholic Monk that lived in the 4th Century Anno Domini? You are losing credibility all of the time Sun Matrix!

No, I never said that Nimrod who lived thousands of years before Christ(not hundreds of years) was the same Saint Lucifer as the Catholic Monk.

Nimrod, the Babylonian king who was given power by Lucifer is the original Saint Lucifer.(One of his many names). We can find the connection to the Babylonian king and Lucifer in the Bible

There was a Catholic Monk named Saint Lucifer so that geniuses like you could be easily deceived. You are dealing with Satan who poses as an angel of light who is the master at covering his tracks.

That's why there is a monk named St. Lucifer so that you won't look past him for the truth.

Nimrod is Saint Lucifer and the word Saint is derived from a form of Satan.

[edit on 2-9-2006 by Sun Matrix]

Originally posted by Seraphim_Serpente

BTW & I am now just starting to repeat myself here because you also made this statement in another thread & I had to correct you there as well. While Hermes, Saturn, Dagon, Zeus & Osiris were Pagan gods - they did not actually exist as beings. Nimrod on the other hand was an actual Babylonian King.

You did not correct me then and you are not correcting me now. I am aware that Nimrod was an actual Babylonian king. I am also aware that Nimrod, Semiramis and Tammuz(real people) are where Osiris, Isis and Horus come from. They are pagan gods.

Zoroaster was a Persian Prophet - ACTUAL MEN that lived. Are you saying that these two men - who were of two different Nationalities/Cultures are actually the same man?

No, I am not saying they are the same men. I'm saying that Nimrod was also known as Zoroaster. He live thousands of years before Jesus the Christ. He started Zoroastrianism. The Persian prophet Zoroaster lived from 630-550BC. He is there the same reason that the Monk Saint Lucifer is there. To deceive you.
Do a little research and see if it is not so.

Sun Matrix why don't you just admit what your reasoning is here = everyone that does not agree with your *Specific Interpretation of the Judeo-Christian Bible* must in-fact be a "Satanist". Why don't you grow up.

Why don't you pull your head out long enough to see you are being decieved.

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer. I would say there is a much greater chance that an angel will fall from heaven than a Babylonian king. What do you think?

I don't know - maybe he fell off of the top of the Tower of Babel!

I am also aware that Nimrod, Semiramis and Tammuz(real people) are where Osiris, Isis and Horus come from.

Again (& I am repeating myself again) - how is this possible - the Former are Babylonian gods & the later are Egyptian/Kemetic gods. Two different cultures! The Egyptian culture & mythology
PRE-DATES the Babylonian - now THAT is an actual FACT, Sun Matrix, look it up! The only thing that they have in common is that they are all Pagan gods.

I'm saying that Nimrod was also known as Zoroaster.

Flat out Incorrect, False & Laughable.

Why don't you pull your head out long enough to see you are being decieved.

Deceived about what? Perhaps if I was a Literalist Fundamentalist like yourself - but I am not. I have an Open Mind & review Data from many different sources. Perhaps you should try opening your mind Sun Matrix - instead of accusing people of being Satanists & going to Hell just because they don't accept the "Truth" according to your Narrow Interpretation/Perspective.

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[edit on 2-9-2006 by Seraphim_Serpente]

Originally posted by Seraphim_Serpente


I don't know - maybe he fell off of the top of the Tower of Babel!

Face the facts, fallen angel Lucifer gave Nimrod his power.

Again (& I am repeating myself again) - how is this possible - the Former are Babylonian gods & the later are Egyptian/Kemetic gods. Two different cultures! The Egyptian culture & mythology PRE-DATES the Babylonian - now THAT is an actual FACT, Sun Matrix, look it up! The only thing that they have in common is that they are all Pagan gods.

Sorry, it goes Flood, Babylon, Egypt, Moses. Find any false timeline you want, they are there for the weak minded.

Flat out Incorrect, False & Laughable.

I find it funny too that you don't know where your own religion came from.

I have an Open Mind & review Data from many different sources.

I gave you the facts. You can prove them if you are open minded or you can put you head back.

It wouldn't take you too long to find out if I was telling you the truth about Zoroaster. But thay would require you to admit that you are wrong again as always. Anyone can follow the bread crumb trail that they leave you. Can you get off the trail and find the truth?

Face the facts, fallen angel Lucifer gave Nimrod his power.

Sorry, it goes Flood, Babylon, Egypt, Moses.

...I was telling you the truth about Zoroaster.

Wow - Life sure would be great if I could make up anything I wanted to & call them "Facts" & "Truth". I could also then call all of the things that I find inconvenient "False" (i.e. like real actual facts). Sun Matrix, I can see what kind of a Dream World you have made up for yourself (maybe that is why "Matrix" is in your name) - you probably get eager to escape into your Fantasy world on-line.
Too bad - time for a little dose of Reality!

[edit on 3-9-2006 by Seraphim_Serpente]

Sorry, it goes Flood, Babylon, Egypt, Moses. Find any false timeline you want,

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....flood, tower of babel, abraham, egypt, moses, the Nation Isreal, Isreal divides itself into two nations, Isreal is led into captivity (Assyrians??), then Judah is led into captivity by babylon.....

[edit on 3-9-2006 by dawnstar]

Thank you for clearing that up for us DawnStar - that sounds just about right!

Of-course it goes on - They eventually get released from captivity & go home - then Jesus comes on the scene eventually & (when the Romans got pissed enough) then there was the
Destruction of the Temple @ Jerusalem. The Jews scattered again at that time! Christianity started to take off soon after.

[edit on 3-9-2006 by Seraphim_Serpente]

Originally posted by Seraphim_Serpente
Thank you for clearing that up for us DawnStar - that sounds just about right!

Of-course it goes on - They eventually get released from captivity & go home - then Jesus comes on the scene eventually & (when the Romans got pissed enough) then there was the
Destruction of the Temple @ Jerusalem. The Jews scattered again at that time! Christianity started to take off soon after.

[edit on 3-9-2006 by Seraphim_Serpente]

I was just keeping it simple for you to show you that Babylon was before Egypt.

Christianity took off when Christ rose from the dead.