American "Space Marines": I think they're real, up there now and ready for WAR

I just had a thought occur to me as to how the US military might get extra "secret" passengers into Orbit without anybody knowing. I mean, they must have reasons to do this, right? I thought through the obvious stuff like a special module in the cargo bay, slipping the odd guy into the orbitor dressed as a mechanic in a team where 15 ride out on the bus to the Orbiter, and and 14 go back type of affair.
Also, you could strap some of their bold chaps onto the top of a Titan, light the touchpaper and stand well back. But then it occured to me the amout of times you hear a shuttle roster being announced and it's going up with a crew of 2 or 3. The amount of times Nasa gets people into orbit per. year, the more they are going to want to be seen doing once they are up there, and no matter what the two pilots are doing, there will always be room for some science of some sort. Especially the beleagured shuttle programme, that team must be desperate to perform and take a place in NASA history as a worthwile endeavour. I think these seats are of course full of secret Military crew, possibly in their own space-station.
It came out that during the Cold War, the both the US and Russians had manned orbiting platforms the whole time. The Russian stations were apparently fitted with an actual machine gun in a gunners "defence" pod that could fire specially modified amunition to operate in that incredibly hostile environment. How cool is that?
Sorry, I'm waffling a bit here (it's my first post, aww...) but to summarise, to work out the real number of secret US military personel in space, just look at all the shuttle rosters and do the maths of empty seats up & down. I must admit, I'm kinds hoping somebody might look into this, but I'm really heavily tied down with work commitments and shouldn't really be reading forums.

Anybody keen?

Cheers guys.

E

That would be awesome, crusading against the hordes of chaos, slaughterting stuff, and wearing giant power armor. I bet there all slow and in space suits with high tech guns right?

I'm sort of seeing it as a little podded gun or perhaps a SAM site type-arrangement with a gunner in a radar tracking pod and other satellites with little missiles. Imagine an entire secret shuttle load could have been a big pd of manouvering fuel. They could be zipping about all over the place. These guys job is to disable enemy sats and watch for IR Ballistics plumes. It's an ASAT platorm. Much as I love the whole "Moonraker" style space complex assault I don't think it's that...

Your whole idea is utterly stupid.

and please provide a link about russia having "gunner pods" on the cold war era space station...cause I havn't heard of that...and very highly doubt it.

I dont think there will be "space marines" for at least another 15-20 years.

Give the astronauts like tazer guns, so they can fight aliens, then we will have some space marines,lol . Murcielago is right, we can barely make it out past the moon with humans, why waste more?

Way later than 15-20 years mate, I don't even see why we need "space soldiers", the first large use of space by actual military personnel will either be fighters, transport and or bombers. Fighters which can operate both in LEO and in the atmosphere, transport planes which can shoot up in LEO and land anywhere in the world within hours, and or bomber which can go hypersonic and into the lower level of space so the can travel to their designated targets a whole lot faster.

G'day all,

Recently I viewed a documentary on google TV I think it was on the disclosure project, and one part of it was a guy who had been in NASA and saw footage from the shuttle of many, many US sattelites orbiting the earth that are never made public, but the one thing that this guy picked up on was that they were all facing outwards into space. He asked one of the scientists what he made of it and he replied that he cannot confirm or deny his observation.

What it appears that the US has been doing is fully militarising space, but by having the sattelites pointing outwards they have in effect created or are creating a global radar shield to pickup on any alien craft that would have entered Earths orbit. Im sure these satellites would also have some sort of particle beam weapons to fire instantaneous energy beams ro disable any crafts in outer space or any missiles within earths atmosphere that may be launched.

www.newsmax.com.../9/7/03649

the above link is about Vladimir Putin warning the US about not militarizing space, you see, the whole world is worried about the US militarising space for when one nation holds the monopoly of poower in space, they effectly control the planet and have the stealth ability to strike anywhere anytime without anyone knowing what is coming and there is a real threat of another space based arms race that nobody will win, because the costs involved would make the Cold War costs pale in significance and countries will run the real risk of bankruptng their economies if they havnt started a space based world war 4 already.

And, what do you make of the risk of E.T's getting involved in a space based conflict for the earth public would not see what was going on up there.

Also, that bloke who hacked into the Pentagons computer networks stated he found details of US fleets and ships which were non existent in any Naval fleet and officers which didnt exist on any ships at sea, thereby assuming that they were extra terrstrial Naval fleets.

Freaky huh? Im sure it'll all come undone some time in the future as you cannot hide a secret that big for that long without a major stuff up or exposure occuring...we can only hope.

Originally posted by WestPoint23
transport planes which can shoot up in LEO and land anywhere in the world within hours

Thats actually what people mean when they say "space marines", it doesn't actually refer to people fighting in outer space. The term is being thrown around because of FALCON...Darpa said they wanted a payload of around 12,000 lbs, and so then people started to think of other ways the FALCON could be used...other then of course bombs. and they figured a pod with over a dozen marines being dropped in a hot spot in the world...where boots on the ground are needed asap.

I think this is a "pie in the sky" scenario. But I think the concept that you just posted is realistic...and I think that it will be a real scenario in at least 20 years...I say at least since I cant imagine it becoming reality before then...but in reality...I wouldn't be surprised if we dont have "space marines" in 30 years.

I can see the US using Space to deploy troops, but not as an actual warzone, the casualties would be horrendous if there ever was a space war.
It would be like the ODST's on Halo "jumping feet first into hell" or something like that

Uhm, please post a source for the "shuttle flights with 2 or 3 crewmembers." The only shuttle flights that ever went up with a crew that small were the first flights when they were testing the orbiter.

Originally posted by Melbourne_Militia

...Vladimir Putin warning the US about not militarizing space, you see, the whole world is worried about the US militarising space for when one nation holds the monopoly of poower in space, they effectly control the planet and have the stealth ability to strike anywhere anytime without anyone knowing what is coming and there is a real threat of another space based arms race that nobody will win, because the costs involved would make the Cold War costs pale in significance and countries will run the real risk of bankruptng their economies if they havnt started a space based world war 4 already.

There is a good reason for Putin's warning.
He knows what is being planned by the present American administration.
You can read about it in this link, and the first thing you should read is chapter 5, Creating Tomorrow's Dominant Force. This is the PNAC blueprint that is being used and yes, it very much includes weaponizing space among other things. An inspection of their site would be of interest to those who wish to see who all have signed onto this plan.

Rebuilding America's Defenses: Strategy, Forces and Resources for a New American Century

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Originally posted by Melbourne_Militia
Im sure these satellites would also have some sort of particle beam weapons to fire instantaneous energy beams to disable any crafts in outer space

You’ve seen to many sci-fi movies...there are no lasers in space capable of destroying some alien ship.

the above link is about Vladimir Putin warning the US about not militarizing space

Every nation on earth doesn't want the US to militarize space...the reason being is that they dont have the technology and money to counter us doing just that.

if they havnt started a space based world war 4 already.

4??? I guess I must have missed when WW3 happened.

Also, that bloke who hacked into the Pentagons computer networks stated he found details of US fleets and ships which were non existent in any Naval fleet and officers which didnt exist on any ships at sea, thereby assuming that they were extra terrestrial Naval fleets.

Actually...He was looking through governments pc networks for proof that the US has reversed engineered alien spacecraft...and his search was unsuccessful...he found nothing of the such.
And just last month that lucky guy got a free plane ride (from the UK) to the US, courtesy of the US Gov...The guy is now facing up to 70 years in jail and 2 million in fines.

Wouldnt space marines be useless?

theyre muscles would be nearly shriveled up from lack of use

Originally posted by WolfofWar
Wouldnt space marines be useless?

theyre muscles would be nearly shriveled up from lack of use

I think that Ive read somewere that scientist were developing ways to excersize and space, and keep up their Muscle mass, Ill try to find the link.

Originally posted by Eddie Peoples
I just had a thought occur to me as to how the US military might get extra "secret" passengers into Orbit without anybody knowing. I mean, they must have reasons to do this, right? I thought through the obvious stuff like a special module in the cargo bay, slipping the odd guy into the orbitor dressed as a mechanic in a team where 15 ride out on the bus to the Orbiter, and and 14 go back type of affair.
Also, you could strap some of their bold chaps onto the top of a Titan, light the touchpaper and stand well back. But then it occured to me the amout of times you hear a shuttle roster being announced and it's going up with a crew of 2 or 3. The amount of times Nasa gets people into orbit per. year, the more they are going to want to be seen doing once they are up there, and no matter what the two pilots are doing, there will always be room for some science of some sort. Especially the beleagured shuttle programme, that team must be desperate to perform and take a place in NASA history as a worthwile endeavour. I think these seats are of course full of secret Military crew, possibly in their own space-station.
It came out that during the Cold War, the both the US and Russians had manned orbiting platforms the whole time. The Russian stations were apparently fitted with an actual machine gun in a gunners "defence" pod that could fire specially modified amunition to operate in that incredibly hostile environment. How cool is that?
Sorry, I'm waffling a bit here (it's my first post, aww...) but to summarise, to work out the real number of secret US military personel in space, just look at all the shuttle rosters and do the maths of empty seats up & down. I must admit, I'm kinds hoping somebody might look into this, but I'm really heavily tied down with work commitments and shouldn't really be reading forums.

Anybody keen?

Cheers guys.

E

Hae you ever played the console/PC game Battlezone? Because if you haven't, then here's some news for you.. go play it.
The intro is very very similar to what you describe up here. More so a proxy space war which only those who fight know about.
very cool game. Been ages since I played it!

Here's a site with a review, demo et all

www.gamespot.com...

Originally posted by nastalgik
That would be awesome, crusading against the hordes of chaos, slaughterting stuff, and wearing giant power armor. I bet there all slow and in space suits with high tech guns right?

At the risk of going off topic and sounding geeky...

The Space Marines, ie Adeptus Astartes of Games Workshop fame, are not slow and the Bolter is not high tech.

In fact, much of mankinds High tech is lost and the Adeptus Mechanicus make a meal out of anything that is left and worship it.

The power armour they were has machinery and artifical fibres which mimic muscle and enable the Marines to have full maneuverability at no cost. They are also heavily augmented with genetic enhancements and other bits and bobs.

Anyhoo, thats my Geeky bit over..back to painting my models....

That last post was absolutely fantastic comedy, cheers for that When I said "Space Marines" I was actually thiking more along the lines of "Space Marine Attached Technical Specialists" or some such, guys working for the US marines (amongst other arms of the forces too)...

Originally posted by Eddie Peoples
That last post was absolutely fantastic comedy, cheers for that

When I said "Space Marines" I was actually thiking more along the lines of "Space Marine Attached Technical Specialists" or some such, guys working for the US marines (amongst other arms of the forces too)...

hehe, glad it tickled your funny bones

I was refferring to the other poster who initially brought up Space Marines in power armour though.... Sorry for derailing your thread though

Originally posted by Murcielago
Thats actually what people mean when they say "space marines", it doesn't actually refer to people fighting in outer space.

Well, I though it meant just that, and I find the notion that we have Marines up there zipping around in space firing lasers and docking to their starship terribly hilarious.

Don't you mean "the Navy's starships"?

After all, "Marine" stands for "My Ass Rides In Navy's Equipment", or at least that's what I heard.



[edit on 5-8-2006 by Tom Bedlam]