'Lost:' Season Three Discussion...

Originally posted by mrwupy
I'm really slow

I just noticed tonight that the French woman used to play the role of Delynn on Babylon 5.

i never knew that either (well, i've never watched that show)...

Good show tonight though. I'm really getting into the series.

when did you start watching???

it might be really hard to really enjoy this show if you just started tonight (or even if you started early in season three for that matter)...

yeah, this is a very good show...

i really enjoyed this episode...

did anyone else notice that the restaurant where sayid worked had "portal" somewhere in the title???

that fits a very common motif in this show...

i'm kind of sad they killed of "miss klough" though

hell, i'm sad the flame station is done with already

rest in peace

I liked tonights episode, and if you haven't watched it yet please don't read any further as I am going to discuss what happened.

What is up with John Locke? He is one of my favorie characters, now that Ekko is dead but what is his problem? This is the second place he has destroyed! Is it just that he is a dimwit, or did he blow up the building because he doesn't want to get rescued? He didn't seem too surprised when it blew up!

Originally posted by William One Sac
I liked tonights episode

yay, more new faces to this thread

What is up with John Locke? He is one of my favorie characters, now that Ekko is dead

but what is his problem? This is the second place he has destroyed! Is it just that he is a dimwit, or did he blow up the building because he doesn't want to get rescued? He didn't seem too surprised when it blew up!

he is definitely one of my favorites too (or maybe my all time favorite)...

i think he knew that the flame station would be destroyed if he entered those numbers...

i almost understood his rationale: maybe he was defending dharma with this course of action...

the flame was invaded by the hostiles, the video stated to enter those numbers if it was invaded, and we all know locke is a bit of a slave to those orientation videos

plus, he likes playing games (he stated this in the season one finale)...

put all of this together and what do you get???

something like:

the losties are lucky sayid got that wiring map, though...

additionally, i don't think that the flame could have been used to contact the outside world because it was practically useless (based on what the other said and what dr. candle said)...

damn, i'm off to bed...




[edit on 7-3-2007 by they see ALL]

Originally posted by they see ALL
he is definitely one of my favorites too (or maybe my all time favorite)...

Hurley is growing on me more and more. If I have to pick a favorite I guess he's mine.

You guys notice the correlation between Hurley's back story and the Brits (forget his name atm) and what happened to the Brit after the "sky turned purple." In other words the 'island' drew Hurley to the island in a similar way it brought the Brit back. Seems everybody's back story is evolving along those lines imo.

Also was that supposed to be Hurley's dad (Cheech) in that jeep he found? Remeber Ecko's brother was in the crashed plane (with the heroin statues). They're going somewhere with this but I haven't got a clue where.

i think he knew that the flame station would be destroyed if he entered those numbers...

i almost understood his rationale: maybe he was defending dharma with this course of action...

Also: What's up with the chess game/emergency Dharma protocols? All the Dharma stuff (uniforms, hatches, equipment, food drops etc) is from the 50/60's era including the pre-taped messages from the Dharma scientist. Are any of the 'others' offically linked to Dharma... I wonder sometimes.

Why is there an option (push 77) for 'if the hostiles are attacking' from way back then (50/60's)? If hostiles are running the show, and have been for some time, who are their 'outside' contacts (radio/sonar) and who does the food drops?

I keep seeing some sort of time-paradox angle being set-up here. Again not sure where they're going exactly.

the losties are lucky sayid got that wiring map, though...

Very little in this island 'world' seems to be the product of luck. Remember Hurley's restaurant and the asteroid/meteor impact? Lotto numbers just happen to match the numbers needed to be punched-in to the computer. The cat from Sayed's backstory in this episode shows up at the end... on the island ?!?

Luck/chance? Luck or the whole 'the universe has a way of course correcting itself' angle? Seems, for whatever reason, the 'island' wanted these specific people there... for some reason.

What if, similar to the Brit, all these guys were there before and the island is making sure they come back. Unlike the Brit they just don't have any memory of their last stay there (childhood perhaps?)

The previews for next week seem to elude to the Brit giving more info as to what he knows... maybe even why.

I love this show and have been watching since the beginning.

Other than The Sopranos this is the only show I follow.

Cool thread btw TSA.

Regards,
-Rob

(edits)spelling and ended up with that banned emoticon after my name following my last edit for some reason. :shrug:

[edit on 7-3-2007 by Rren]

[edit on 7-3-2007 by Rren]

*spoilers for those that didn't watch*

I also believe that John knew the compound would be destroyed. The bombs were placed there by Dharma to protect the building from the "hostiles" from finding something in there, and I believe that the eye-patch man and Ms. Cleo were there trying to find out what it was.

The chess program on the computer was set up as a measure of security to keep the others from finding out what was stored on it, but I do think that John saw what that secret was before destroying the building. The eye-patch man and Ms. Cleo couldn't figure out how to defeat the chess computer opponent, so they decided to stay there till they could win a match, but Sayeed, Kate, and John got there before they could finish.

The eye-patch guy mentioned that the computer "cheats," and he may have been correct. If the program made an illegal move or an extra move, then it's possible that there was only a set pattern a user could move to defeat the computer opponent, and this pattern was the "password" to unlocking the controls, which John either found out from trial and error, or by luck.

Now that the station is destroyed, the other hatches wont have power or communication, which led Ms. Cleo to having the eye-patch man shoot her, and the eye-patch man from telling Sayeed to kill him, so that they wouldn't face any punishment or "branding" from Ben.

Also, if you guys didn't pick it up, Sayeed knew that the man was lying about who he said he was (and being alone), because he spoke Russian (maybe?) to the cat, to tell it to stop, and yet it's the same cat that Sayeed saw in Iran, meaning that it only knew Arabic or Farsi commands.

[edit on 8-3-2007 by DJMessiah]

Now that the station is destroyed, the other hatches wont have power or communication, which led Ms. Cleo to having the eye-patch man shoot her, and the eye-patch man from telling Sayeed to kill him, so that they wouldn't face any punishment or "branding" from Ben.

Nice catch DJ I missed it but it fits perfectly.

I also think John figured something else out while there... he usually keeps his insights to himself though. The spiritual types (John, Ecko) seem to understand things more than the others for some reason. Or perhaps just a different understanding specific to why they're there.

"Lost" is a perfect name for the show. I always am at the end of an episode.

Originally posted by Rren
Hurley is growing on me more and more. If I have to pick a favorite I guess he's mine.

hurley is fun...

You guys notice the correlation between Hurley's back story and the Brits (forget his name atm) and what happened to the Brit after the "sky turned purple." In other words the 'island' drew Hurley to the island in a similar way it brought the Brit back. Seems everybody's back story is evolving along those lines imo.

what brit???

charlie???

or did you mean desmond (who is actually scottish i believe)???

actually, hurley spoke to a man about the numbers and he learned that the numbers were first heard in a listening post...

this is similar to the guy in the flame's story (who also mentioned a listening post)...

Also was that supposed to be Hurley's dad (Cheech) in that jeep he found? Remeber Ecko's brother was in the crashed plane (with the heroin statues). They're going somewhere with this but I haven't got a clue where.

i highly doubt that...

Also: What's up with the chess game/emergency Dharma protocols? All the Dharma stuff (uniforms, hatches, equipment, food drops etc) is from the 50/60's era including the pre-taped messages from the Dharma scientist. Are any of the 'others' offically linked to Dharma... I wonder sometimes.

yupp, its from the 50s / 60s alright (the orientation films were dated in the 80s)...

the chess game was a form of protection from everyone else except dharma folk...

the dharma people, most likely, were the only ones who knew how to beat the chess game (thus, they were able to use the features after beating it)...

i like your last question...

when jack asked juliette if she / they were left overs of the dharma initiative, she replied along the lines of "who we were isn't important, its who we are"...

i think that some of the others, at least, are left overs of dharma (but all of this talk about the hostiles being on the island before dharma has got me wondering)...

juliette did mention that she has been on the island for 3/4 years and ben did say that he has been on the island for all of his life, hmmm...

Why is there an option (push 77) for 'if the hostiles are attacking' from way back then (50/60's)? If hostiles are running the show, and have been for some time, who are their 'outside' contacts (radio/sonar) and who does the food drops?

well, the hostiles have been on the island before dharma...

and, remember, that the swan's original purpose was to study the unique electromagnetic properties on that part of the island, but was then changed (after the incident) to the button-pushing protocol...

so, the purposes of the hatches could have changed over time...

the hostiles might not have outside contacts (but dharma does)...

the flame was a dharma station so dharma used it for communication...

when the hosiles took over, they most likely couldn't get it to work (they couldn't beat the chess game)...

dharma most likely supplied the food drops...

I keep seeing some sort of time-paradox angle being set-up here. Again not sure where they're going exactly.

time and space are very important for 'lost'...

Very little in this island 'world' seems to be the product of luck. Remember Hurley's restaurant and the asteroid/meteor impact? Lotto numbers just happen to match the numbers needed to be punched-in to the computer. The cat from Sayed's backstory in this episode shows up at the end... on the island ?!?

very true...

are you a person of faith or science???

it all depends on your view...

Luck/chance? Luck or the whole 'the universe has a way of course correcting itself' angle? Seems, for whatever reason, the 'island' wanted these specific people there... for some reason.

maybe the island wanted them, but the plane crash occurred only because desmond forgot to press the button...

What if, similar to the Brit, all these guys were there before and the island is making sure they come back. Unlike the Brit they just don't have any memory of their last stay there (childhood perhaps?)

i have read theories like this...

i like it a bit...

I love this show and have been watching since the beginning.

me too...

its a great show...

Cool thread btw TSA.

like it???

then flag it

Originally posted by DJMessiah
I also believe that John knew the compound would be destroyed. The bombs were placed there by Dharma to protect the building from the "hostiles" from finding something in there, and I believe that the eye-patch man and Ms. Cleo were there trying to find out what it was.

yupp, exactly...

The chess program on the computer was set up as a measure of security to keep the others from finding out what was stored on it, but I do think that John saw what that secret was before destroying the building. The eye-patch man and Ms. Cleo couldn't figure out how to defeat the chess computer opponent, so they decided to stay there till they could win a match, but Sayeed, Kate, and John got there before they could finish.

yes...

The eye-patch guy mentioned that the computer "cheats," and he may have been correct. If the program made an illegal move or an extra move, then it's possible that there was only a set pattern a user could move to defeat the computer opponent, and this pattern was the "password" to unlocking the controls, which John either found out from trial and error, or by luck.

your great at this stuff...

Now that the station is destroyed, the other hatches wont have power or communication, which led Ms. Cleo to having the eye-patch man shoot her, and the eye-patch man from telling Sayeed to kill him, so that they wouldn't face any punishment or "branding" from Ben.

yes, i too got the impression that she wanted to be killed so she couldn't be punished...

Also, if you guys didn't pick it up, Sayeed knew that the man was lying about who he said he was (and being alone), because he spoke Russian (maybe?) to the cat, to tell it to stop, and yet it's the same cat that Sayeed saw in Iran, meaning that it only knew Arabic or Farsi commands.

i knew that was the same cat, but i didn't really know why sayid thought that he was lying...

thanks for that...

as a side note, we learned a huge amount of information in the last episode...

let's hope that it wasn't all lies by the other / hostile...

Originally posted by Rren
The previews for next week seem to elude to the Brit giving more info as to what he knows... maybe even why.

here it is:

linky...

it appears that claire is talking to desmond about his powers...

and it looks like locke throws the other into the security system (i initially thought that the other ran into it on his own accord)...

Originally posted by they see ALL

what brit???

charlie???

or did you mean desmond (who is actually scottish i believe)???

:head slap: Yeah Desmond... I called him a Brit 'cause he woke up in England after he turned the key. Not very scholarly on my part I know.

i think that some of the others, at least, are left overs of dharma (but all of this talk about the hostiles being on the island before dharma has got me wondering)...

juliette did mention that she has been on the island for 3/4 years and ben did say that he has been on the island for all of his life, hmmm...

You gotta wonder who those guys (the businessmen) that got Juliette to the island are and how they're related to the 'others' and/or Dharma. Sometimes the 'others' seem to be out-of-touch with the modern world then you get tossed these bones and don't know what to make of 'em ... atleast I don't.

when the hosiles took over, they most likely couldn't get it to work (they couldn't beat the chess game)...

I disagree. John could figure it out so quickly I highly doubt the others couldn't. Besides Mr. eyepatch knew about sonar/radio communications and the submarine... how if he couldn't access them via the chess game?

dharma most likely supplied the food drops...

If Dharma is gone why would they continue to supply the 'others/hostiles' with food? Remember we've seen drops already (forget which episode) so they still can push the button [chess game] and have food dropped via cargo planes.

maybe the island wanted them, but the plane crash occurred only because desmond forgot to press the button...

Too easy imho. Nothing so far is as it seems or as we've been led to believe. I see a curveball a comin' here too.

like it???

then flag it

Yeah I haven't looked into this flagging thing yet so I haven't been flagging any threads so far.... I'll give it a look though. l

Also, if you guys didn't pick it up, Sayeed knew that the man was lying about who he said he was (and being alone), because he spoke Russian (maybe?) to the cat, to tell it to stop, and yet it's the same cat that Sayeed saw in Iran, meaning that it only knew Arabic or Farsi commands.

She found the cat in France so, assuming cats understand language, it'd be French, no?

Originally posted by they see ALL
here it is:

linky...

it appears that claire is talking to desmond about his powers...

and it looks like locke throws the other into the security system (i initially thought that the other ran into it on his own accord)...

Cool, thanks TSA.

[edit on 8-3-2007 by Rren]

Originally posted by Rren
:head slap: Yeah Desmond... I called him a Brit 'cause he woke up in England after he turned the key. Not very scholary on my part I know.

its okay...

You gotta wonder who those guys (the businessmen) that got Juliette to the island are and how they're related to the 'others' and/or Dharma. Sometimes the 'others' seem to be out-of-touch with the modern world then you get tossed these bones and don't know what to make of 'em ... atleast I don't.

i believe that they are, in fact, a form of dharma...

in juliette's episode, it was pretty obvious that, because of that businessman, she came to the island...

maybe we can assume dharma still needs workers for whatever reason...

actually, i think that the others are a bit advanced (they used tasors / mind control techniques / they were aware of walt's psychic abilities and probably exploited it / they knew all about jack's pre-island experiences / etc etc etc)...

sure they pretend to be hillbillies, but they are far from it...

I disagree. John could figure it out so quickly I highly doubt the others couldn't. Besides Mr. eyepatch knew about sonar/radio communications and the submarine... how if he couldn't access them via the chess game?

hmmm, good point...

maybe he knew because he read about it from all those binders in the flame???

he could have known about the submarine because his group uses it...

If Dharma is gone why would they continue to supply the 'others/hostiles' with food? Remember we've seen drops already (forget which episode) so they still can push the button [chess game] and have food dropped via cargo planes.

do you assume dharma is dead off-island???

sure, dharma may be long dead on the island, but there may be dharma off-island peoples / other organizations that support dharma that are off-island...

plus, if pushing the button in the swan was really saving the world, i am sure that dharma / whoever would most definitely continue giving food to the swan inhabitants...

Too easy imho. Nothing so far is as it seems or as we've been led to believe. I see a curveball a comin' here too.

true...

Cool, thanks TSA.

no problem

I was about to write a deep post, but I don't know where to begin!

So I'll just say great episode! Now I know Eyepatch Guy definitely isn't Ron Perlman.

Originally posted by JackofBlades
I was about to write a deep post, but I don't know where to begin!

start from the beginning

i really enjoyed this episode too...

did anyone else notice this:

linky...

its a screen-cap from last night's episode that shows the logo that was on the shark in season two that is on a box of dharma "soda crackers"...

there was also a bottle of dharma vodka with the swan station logo on it...

hmmm, this guy gets around huh???

did you notice this:

linky...

it seems that locke didn't win the chess game

please note that the above site is not a good source for 'lost' information (this is an exception)...

Yup Knight[white] blocks Rook. Even if the Rook takes the Knight, the Bishop would then take the Rook. Although with the [black]Queen there it was over in two, maybe three, moves anyway... still unless the computer concedes (I don't think any chess program would do that there) is WAS NOT over.

I knew the close-up on the screen was intentional but wasn't taping so I let it go as irrelevant.

Wow, wonder what that means!?!

Nice Find TSA

Originally posted by Rren
Nice Find TSA

thanks...

i'm glad i can find things of interest...

Originally posted by Rren

:head slap: Yeah Desmond... I called him a Brit 'cause he woke up in England after he turned the key. Not very scholarly on my part I know.

Scotland is a part of Britain so 'brit guy' is still correct.

Originally posted by John Nada
Scotland is a part of Britain so 'brit guy' is still correct.

very true

um, my post isn't a one-line post

i just re-watched the episode and locke states, at the end, that he played the game again and that he found out why the other didn't want him to press the button...

now, this can surely have many different meanings but maybe, now that locke entered the code that symbolized the flame has been invaded by the hostiles, dharma reinforces will come to the island

also, it seems that locke did win the chess game because the computer must have just gave up because it knew it was going to loose within the next few turns...

you're going to love me:

from my blog: "dharma" avatars straight from the world of 'lost'...




[edit on 8-3-2007 by they see ALL]

here is some interesting reading from lostpedia:

"the flame"...

members of the others...

"dharma initiative"...

of course, feel free to deeply explore that site (its great)...