How can the moon do that?

"Not sure yet" information about the moon? What would be your top 5 "want to know" points?

Personally, I have a theory as to why you seem to brush over the science looking for else (besides the reasons listed in my previous post). Your "I want to believe" statement says it all. You are blinded by your willingness to believe in something that does not exist. In the realm of supernatural you are given a free ticket to "make believe" all you want; step into the realm of science and it's a whole different ballgame. Please try to keep the two separate.

OK random question time.......

As the moon is slowly drifting away from us and appears the same size as the sun during a total eclipse, how long will it be before we never have a total eclipse again?

answer = ....................... a long time hehe. dunno, anyone fancy working this out just for the lol's?

I guess y'all are calling mama a lier because she said its all cheese

masqua says:

"Not all members are scientists working for NASA and I, like so many others, are allowed to express themselves freely here."

Of course you are allowed to express yourself freely here!

But if you're discussing science and you bring up stuff that has no data or evidence backing it or -- worse yet -- bring in hoaxers like Hoagland as 'experts', then you're certainly not "denying ignorance".

And denying evidence, not perpetuating it, is what I like about this site.

Originally posted by Irma
OK random question time.......

As the moon is slowly drifting away from us and appears the same size as the sun during a total eclipse, how long will it be before we never have a total eclipse again?

The moon is only drifting about 1.5 inches a year so it's going to be a centuries before that would happen. The sun may go nova before that happens at that rate.

Originally posted by Zaphod58
The sun may go nova before that happens at that rate.

I'm sorry, but I'm tired and so my sense of humour may be a bit skewed... But, are you joking?

It was a slight exaggeration at how long it would be before the moon was so far away that it wouldn't allow a total solar eclipse anymore, since it's moving a whole inch and a half a year. I don't do the math very well, so I exaggerated it somewhat.

Well, the amount of time to no longer ever get a fully eclipse is based on more stuff than just the recession of the moon. For it to miss the first time (farthest out), you've got to look at where and when the orbit will be such that the its farthest out when it points at the sun. It's a little screwy, but I could work it out in a couple hours of work. After that it's a simple issue of geometry. I looked it up, it's recessing at about 38 millimeters a year, so yeah inch and a half. OH YEAH, can't forget solar wobble in the calculations if you're getting aboslutely anal about accuracy. Let's see we can also account for J2 effects (earth's oblateness), Solar Pressure (light pushing on stuff as well as particles), and probably something from I dunno Jupiter. So much for making a series of three. J3 is Lunar interference so it doesn't matter.

Originally posted by backtoreality
"Not sure yet" information about the moon? What would be your top 5 "want to know" points?

Personally, I have a theory as to why you seem to brush over the science looking for else (besides the reasons listed in my previous post). Your "I want to believe" statement says it all. You are blinded by your willingness to believe in something that does not exist. In the realm of supernatural you are given a free ticket to "make believe" all you want; step into the realm of science and it's a whole different ballgame. Please try to keep the two separate.

Or...perhaps your "I don't want to believe" gives you enough narrow vision to be as closed minded as you are. There's plenty that goes unexplained, by science, and by everything else.
THINK about it...

How about you both agree to disagree then, and we can all get back on topic?

Originally posted by cmdrkeenkid
How about you both agree to disagree then, and we can all get back on topic?

Sounds good to me.

To pick up where I left off...

Originally posted by warthog911
11. Unusual Metals: The moon’s crust is much harder than presumed. Remember the extreme difficulty the astronauts encountered when they tried to drill into the maria?

No, please elaborate.

The maria is composed primarily illeminite...

Of what now? Making up metals, are we?

Uranium 236 and neptunium 237 (elements not found in nature on Earth) were discovered in lunar rocks, as were rustproof iron particles.

What? Where were U236 and Np237 found? Rustproof iron particles? Again, please elaborate...

12. Moon’s Origin: Before the astronauts’ moon rocks conclusively disproved the theory, the moon was believed to have originated when a chunk of Earth broke off eons ago (who knows from where?).

No, it didn't... If anything, it supported that theory, since a lot of the materials are the same...

Another popular theory is that the moon was somehow "captured" by the Earth’s gravitational attraction. But no evidence exists to support this theory. Isaac Asimov, stated, "It’s too big to have been captured by the Earth. The chances of such a capture having been effected and the moon then having taken up nearly circular orbit around our Earth are too small to make such an eventuality credible."

Again, taking what someone who actually has clout in the scientific field said out of context! What Asimov said does nothing to support that the Moon was "placed there" or anything outrageous like that.

13. Weird Orbit: Our moon is the only moon in the solar system that has a stationary, near-perfect circular orbit.

I highly doubt that it is the moon with the lowest eccentricity, and even if it is, so what? The Earth has an eccentricity of about 0.0167, while Luna's is about 0.0554... So does that mean that the Earth was placed here as well?

Stranger still, the moon’s center of mass is about 6000 feet closer to the Earth than its geometric center (which should cause wobbling), but the moon’s bulge is on the far side of the moon, away from the Earth.

You know what else is funny! The Earth's center of mass is off too! Do you know why? Because planets are not perfectly spherical. Imagaine that... Oh, and by the way... Libration

14. Moon Diameter:...

Done to death in this thread already... Though I do like the out of context quote taking again. Very professional!

15. Spaceship Moon: As outrageous as the Moon-Is-a-Spaceship Theory is, all of the above items are resolved if one assumes that the moon is a gigantic extraterrestrial craft, brought here eons ago by intelligent beings. This is the only theory that is supported by all of the data, and there are no data that contradict this theory.

I really like the, "I'm right and nothing can disprove what I say" attitude. Again, very scientific, this one is. And no, all of the above "items" are resolved if one uses their brain and scientific logic to come to conclusions...

So, what now, warthog911?

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Its up to you what you want to belive,but imo the moon is a spaceship

But why? The "science" behind it is nil, there are no facts backing it up, and you obviously can't even defend your own beliefs. Do you even know why you believe it?

EDIT: Nil, not nill... Close, but wrong word for the usage...

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truth is always stranger the fiction.Yes i cant back it up with facts but i believe that the moon is really a space ship.I hve already given my facts as much as i can,people can debunk it like popular mechnics debunking the 9\11 cover up but i have a word for debunkers
Ironically, people who call themselves "skeptics" are not truly skeptics; they are only selective skeptics. This is because they may be skeptical about fringe ideas, but they are never skeptical about mainstream ideas or mainstream news. The same applies to debunkers.

For a good laugh read this artilce about the galactic federation and moon
www.2012.com.au...

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Your Moon is an artificial construct that created to be a special tactical station attached to Orion Empire fleets of the former Anchara Alliance. It formed part of the fleet that conquered your solar system about 1,000,000 years ago. The Moon's purpose was to be the main defense coordinator for the former planet that was between Mars and Jupiter. When we came to liberate your solar system about 900,00 years ago, this planet and its armed moon were a major threat to our success. Our incoming fleet deployed a powerful battle planet of its own to destroy this Anchara/Orion Empire base; it was reduced to rubble and the result was the Asteroid Belt. The battle moon was temporarily thrown into an erratic solar orbit that ran between Earth and Mars and finally, about 25,000 years ago, was placed into its present orbit as Earth's Moon.

LMAO to the max.DO i belive it No but my heart says YES.

Originally posted by warthog911
Yes i cant back it up with facts but i believe that the moon is really a space ship.I hve already given my facts as much as i can...

Yes, you gave what you believe, but why? What about all the obvious holes in the ideas and beliefs that you have? Why can't you try to explain those away? Why not try and do as the ATS motto states and Deny Ignorance? You're taking the ever-so-popular "I'm right no matter what you say about it approach" and it's really not working - not that it ever does, for anyone.

Ironically, people who call themselves "skeptics" are not truly skeptics; they are only selective skeptics. This is because they may be skeptical about fringe ideas, but they are never skeptical about mainstream ideas or mainstream news. The same applies to debunkers.

Who says that to be skeptical you have to be skeptical of everything? That's a pretty close minded and highly defensive approach. It's like having to choose all or nothing, and maybe one day you'll learn that the world really doesn't work like that.

Originally posted by warthog911
LMAO to the max

.DO i belive it No but my heart says YES.

So, then by using your rationale does that make you a "selective believer," as you're choosing which ideas to believe and which not to? I guess you can't even follow your own all or nothing approach.

Ok if I hear one more person say rust-proof iron Im going to scream ... do you know what rust is? Its Iron Oxide, its formed by a simple chemical reaction that cant just be "stopped"! Its basic high school chemistry that rust forms in the presence of Iron, water and oxygen ... there is no oxygen or water on the moon (ignoring exceptions such as ice at the poles) so there is no rust!!

Oh and come on ... "skeptics are on skeptical of fringe ideas and not mainstream ideas", what a stupid small minded concept ... mainstream ideas are agreed by the vast majority of scientifics and academics, they are peer reviewed and make sense, whereas fringe ideas on the whole are not!

[size=10]Rust proof iron



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