Gang stalking and what it says about our society at large.

Originally posted by WalkInSilence
Harassment101,
This is soooo weird, I haven't read the whole thread, but from your detailed description in the beginning I see this is what is happening to me and my husband.
We are losing everything, it is horrendous. And we can't pursue the predators.
How does one escape?
Scary.
WIS

[edit on 28-8-2006 by WalkInSilence]

Hi WalkInSilence.

I have stopped trying to excape, staying and fighting is the thing to do, exposure of this and more exposure. For me personally to escape this is to let the next target be victimized. However it does not mean not seeking temporary releif. As discussed on the forums expose them. Get a mini cam and microphone get their picks. Had out flyers exxplaining what they are doing to you and your family.

Post at forums, detail your story in a blog, write letters, help get this topic normalised, it's the only way we will ever be safe and other targets.

If you do move, hand out flyers in your new area, let them know why you moved, so that when they try to spread lies about you and your family it will be less effective.

We should not have to live our lives on the run like fugitives, chased from one place to the next. I have done nothing wrong and I am tried of these creatures messing with my life. So this is part of what I am doing to take back mine. Honestly they might go after you harder at first to try to get you to stop, but just hit back harder hand out even more flyers until they back off.

Harassment, here's an article I ran across this morning that made me think of your problem here.

Women Expose Street Harassment

Women who are cat-called on the street can put their harassers to shame with the help of a New York-based website.

It's about victims doing something to fight back. I'm a bit skeptical that such a scheme won't be abused though. Justice is one thing... retribution another.

Good turn Psyopswatcher. It's good to look to solutions instead of dwelling in the problem. Anything that takes the fear out of a situation and gives some resembles to empowerment back to the victim is a step in the right direction.

Like everything the left does, this is a disaster waiting to happen. Yeah, there are men out there who say things to women that are better left unsaid, but posting pictures of people to the internet and exposing them to humiliation without due process is not exactly the answer, either.

It's interesting that a comparison is made to the workplace, which is more hostile now than it ever has been, except that the it is the women who are the abusers.

I use my cellphone camera to deter drug sales in my apartment complex parking lot. This is a very dangerous thing to do, but I know the risks and am willing to accept them.

The women who do this just might be setting up a much bigger problem than just a bunch of jerks who don't know how to act in public.

Well Grady, granted it may not be THE answer, but again, steps a person takes to feel personally empowered rather than victimized is a beginning to taking back your life. I also don't agree with posting pics on the internet accusing folks of something it could be slanderous in a courtroom, but I understand the mindset of taking action instead of feeling like a sheep in a wolf circus.

i know the rest. it's sad.


the organisations behind gangstalking will swamp the database with photographs of random people, then proceed to hack the site to remove their member's (agents') images. the first works to discredit the whole effort, the second will remove all useful evidence, at which point you're left with

nothing.

Hi psyopswatcher.

I am familiar with the street harassment project. I think they are doing amazing things and heading in the right direction.

With street harassment it's so overt you can then describe in detail what your harasser did and why it made you uncomfortable. With gang stalking I can take pictures of people that are following me and post it on the website, but it's not the same effect. Also because there are so many people explaining it on the website is hard, however it might be what we have to start doing to get this stopped.

Since I have seen that they use Statsi like signals to communicate with each other, I could film that, but then I would have to again prove that there is communication going on and that it's not just random action. When you are going up against one or two, the defence that you can use is different than when going up against a group.

In public I am trying to use flyer's, asking the players to not take part in the game. I will agree that in the past some targets have reported success with just taking their pictures. Maybe later the pictures can be used to prosecute people who have taken part or to fine them. Who knows.

Hi interestedalways.

I think you are right, looking for solutions is better than just harping on the problem, but it's hard to find a solution when you are critically out numbered. Also the forces behind this are far reaching and wide ranging. I think from the outside solving this seems easy, but when you take into account the people involved we almost have to convince society that this is wrong the same way others had to convince society that slavery was wrong. People who take part in this either do not see it as wrong, do not care, or feel forced to continue to take part.

Getting this publicised is the best hope, these people are successful because they work in secrecy, most people in society do not know that this goes on to this degree, not even the targets. Again I am shocked how long this was going on without ever thinking that it could be a targeted campaign. Now that I know what I am looking at, and into, I am shocked at how far reaching this is. At first I did not want to believe that it could be true, but now I do see that this is as far reaching as others are saying.

We basically have a lot of work to do if this is going to become recognised and normalised in society, the problem is once we become aware, unlike other issues in society, we have people trying to keep us homeless, jobless, powerless so that we can not continue to fight. Still you are right solutions must be found, instead of just focusing on this problem.

These are the issues we are dealing with

-Some for some reason still think gang stalking is not real
-When they do realise it's real, they want to blame the targets
-Others think that it's just as easy as going to the police for help. (Amnesty International does not even deal with this.)
-These people try to make sure targets working to get the word out are homeless, jobless, institutionalised, or they just try for the suicide angel. If this fails then many targets have had more forceful and overt means used against them.
-The forces running this have money and power, they come from every level of society and they have a wide range across all societies.

That's a quick run down of some of the things we are dealing with, suggestions, battle strategies or ideas are all appreciated. Again I want to say that I am really glad for the openness of this community. Most people here are at a place in their lives where they can accept this is happening, and they can offer information and advice.

Hi GradyPhilpott.

The street harassment project has done wonders for women all around, it's not only helped to empower them, give them a place to go for support, but it's stopping some of these men and the their street harassment. I agree however people have to be aware of the risk they are taking. However since with gang stalking we have so much to loose if we don't get this stopped, this might be what we have to end up doing. (Our alternatives are going to be to have these people mess with our lives till they ruin us one way or another, or worst.) I see the points that you made, and they were very good, but it's becoming desperate times call for desperate measures. This has to get out into the open, and sooner rather than later.


Hi Long Lance.

That reminds me of my opera.com post on gang stalking. A post where I had proof that I was being stalked online, then somehow an allegid gang stalking target comes forth, gets the thread closed. Then it just gets deleted, by someone no questions asked. Then all trace goes from Google within days of my pointed out that the cache was still available.

These people can pressure, force, blackmail, bribe, corrupt just about everyone. It's truly out there. I think you are right these people would try to get the servers closed down, or find some other way to get this messed with.

Eg. I heard that there was this person who had an anti Scientology website. I heard that their members kept taking him to court to court, till they finally won. Part of their spoils where getting all the files on cult movements like theirs. Now I have heard they own the site and most people don't realise this and are still calling in to give info about cults.

The people who run the show on gang stalking would be no different. Unlike the street harasser who knows that they will get a counter suit for sexual harassment on the street, and it's one to one. We have to fight people that have money, power, and who are very corrupt.

This is my first post on the forum (I just registered today.) Thank you all for your posts on this topic and especially you Harassment101 for beginning this discussion.

I understand also that these things are in fact happening. I'm reluctant to post details about my own situation at this time, but would welcome any further posts or dialogue on this topic.

your a little late threadofhope..this thread has been kinda slow lately...I wonder where everyone went.

Hi Threadofhope

Sorry for the late response. Where have I been, I have been busy trying to get Gangstalkingworld.com together. I really want to try to get all the gang stalking groups sharing info and best practices, what's working what's not working.

Eg. For example did you know that one way that they are tracking targets is via our cell phones? There are ordinary programs out there that let people do this.

Well that's the kind of thing that we need to coordinate and discuss and share details on, so I thought I would put together something simple to facilitate this. However it turned out to be less than simple and it took me two weeks, which is at least a week longer than I thought.

Everything is not fully finished, but the site is now there, so if people want to use it they can. I have emailed all the targets that I know and the groups as well today, I have not heard back from any of the groups yet, but I have heard back from Jewels and Bill and they have visited the site and will probably be stopping in and posting once in awhile.

If the other groups respond it would be great, but from what I have seen most people stay off doing their own things, I don't know if this effort will work, or what, but that's where I have been and that's what I have been up to.

On the more mondane side of things, my Gang Stalker neighbour continues to drill, at all hours of the night. 4:30 was the last time, since I'am a night owl it's not big deal, it just the adacity to think that he can actually do this. I pay about $920.00 in rent for the previlage of being gang stalked, and I would move, but not unlike roaches they move with you, plus like I said before why should I have to? They are the sick and depraved ones.

So I will keep the thread updated on my progress, I have not been at this or any of the other forums, till today. Like I said I thought it would be a few days, put together a simple site, and it took longer than I thought. I just hope that the members of this community choose to utile it. Gang Stalking World is meant to basically be a place that targets come together and exchange information and ideas.

I see us all over the place, one target here, one target there. I start a thread like this, and targets seem to just flow out of the wood works, I am hoping they can flow together in one combined effort. I will let you know how it goes.

To anyone who has been following this thread and who is a target or a friend to targets, you are always welcome to stop by and visit the site that I just mentioned, or share a story you think might be related, or just to see how some of us targets are doing. So feel free to drop by if you wish. I hope that's ok to say and post.

a reminder: more often than not, actively buggine a house (by braeking in and planting devices) is superfluous, our everyday tech can be used against you!

an example: using the telephone as a listening post.

there IS a remedy, though and it's called the main fuze, turn your electricity off over night or when you want to make sure no-one's listening or interfering, but keep in mind things like directed microphones and laser based listening devices (using the window pane or wall as a huge microphone's membrane, measured by laser reflection..) the downside of course is that your a/c and fridges won't work.

A padded, sound absorbing room (preferably without windows, complete with sealable door - but don't forget that you need air to breathe, cannot rely on electric ventilators and a simple hole in the wall compromises the entire room's integrity . be creative, f-ex. use a a complicated duct system and the chimney effect for convection) would do wonders for your sleep and while you're at it, cover the rear of the assembly with contiuous, grounded conductive foil for microwave protection. (paranoia taken to the next level, lol)

PS: no, i don't wear a tinfoil hat, no i don't have such a room and IF i ever thought it was necessary i'd rather sleep in a µwave proof coffin than get cought having a room as described above /jk. you've got to admit that it's not that much work if you keep the room small and the prize is decent sleep.

Hi Longlance.

The electricity is never fully off in apartment buildngs, converting to a room like that would be difficult, but fun to try.

Before I forget this is an interesting point that I thought I would post. It's part of my Oprah.com thread.


[QUOTE=gangstalking]Hello to anyone following this thread.

64.233.161.104...:Cq445zrZ0YIJ:www.okimc.org/newswire.php%3Fstory_id%3D1393%26condense_comments%3Dfalse+starfishgirl&hl=en&gl= us&ct=clnk&cd=6

64.233.161.104...:RRE8zqYZ5gUJ:sjc.ironspeed.com/tool/post/whosarat/vpost%3Fid%3D1263386%26trail%3D+starfishgirl&hl=en&gl=us&c t=clnk&cd=13

If you look at these two threads, and this one, you will note that the poster starfish girl tries to say many people could be perps. (These accusations alone would not make her legit or fake, it would just make her overly cautious.) What to me makes starfish girl questionable is the fact that she does not know me, has told a lie that I am impersonating some guy named Nick Bergh or whatever. That plus other things posted here have left me without a shadow of doubt, but I am not going to go there. [/QUOTE]


I just took a clip trip back to this post. Reason is I joined another forum and I was going over their archeive. ON this forum I had posted two example of starfishgirl siting other sites as being not real, one example you see in the first link and the second example is gone from the google cache, but the actual post more interestingly has been changed. It was a post of pondering, Gerry and MRG. You had pondering, Gerry and Starfish girl saying that there were perps at the stalkingvictims sanctuary. Iam not doubting this. What's interesting is the post from Starfishgirl about this is gone.

The reason I go back to it is she would constantly suggest other posters were not legit and do other things to get postings closed, there were at least three posts that I recall this happening in, most of the posts on the internet that could verify this are deleted or vanished. No way to implicate or point the finger. Coincidence, conveinent, corrupt? Hard to say, but it was worth posting, cause it needed to be posted.

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One more thing that I would like to add to this. My encounter with pondering.
www.stalkingvictims.com...

I think there are so many people that are in this game for the wrong reasons, and I think there are so many targts that will be hurt from trusting the wrong sources, but there is nothing that can really be done, without starting a who is a perp war, which just wastes time, but this I hope was interesting enough to post.



Oh also did you know that cell phones are being used as a way to track targets?
That's one recent discovery that I think is great info to have.

tracking per se is old news, imho, it's called a cellphone for a reason, few know that triangulation makes localisation much more accurate, though.

an aspect which is often overlooked is that turning the cellphone (any phone) off does not necessarily deactivate it completely ('soft-off'), which could be abused for remote activation, and that even batteries can be bugged (by default? i don't know, i certainly wouldn't take my chances if in doubt). you are right that a perp could still use electricity from a neighbor, but that would implicate active bugging, in which case you're SOL with my advice.

just turn off all household electronics to prevent 'trojan horsing' of your own equipment.

PS: a general advice, which should be obvious: if you find out you've been bugged or are under surveillance, don't panic and change your habits, act normally, just leave out sensitive information, the avergae thug won't notice. a sudden change in customs indicates a compromised operation, which in turn may result in escalation.

They were not only bugging my apartment, in some areas of my home they had visuals. Needless to say I didn't tip them off till I was sure and not just a suspision, but once I was sure, I could not hold back.

Needless to say the little gang stalking bastards have gotten a piece of my mind repeatedly, there is nothing more violating, that somene doing that. (Well I am sure there are a few things, but that takes the cake.)

Needless to say everyonce in awhile they get the fire alarm sound going off or some other loud noise. I have at times heard, what I think is feedback. I have tried to cover the peep holes, where I think they are, but God only knows. I need a wireless jammer, like yesterday.

The creepy male upstairs in the apartment above me, listens and knows where I am in my apartment. I know this because he use to do the noise harassment, based on the room of my apartment that I was in. Some creepy stanger knows more about me, than relatives do. That's just messed up. I want him in jail, being house mate to some guy named Butch.

The sound I have not even attempted to cover, I don't care if they hear me, I want them to hear me. I do know that this was getting back to where I work, cause I would have directed coversations about things I had said in my apartment. Mostly that was after I started to suspect and started saying directed things about specific people and sure enough.

That someone would do this to me, is unspeakable. I don't know how long it was going on, I have lived at this location for 1 year 8 months. These animals that I worked with had access to my conversations, words, and my person visually. Not just people at work, but people in my neighbourhood. The violation these pigs couldn't do physically, I guess they wanted a shot at visually and verbally, by invading my privacy.

I mean there were reasons I did not associate with these creatures at work, because they are the kinds of people capable of creepy disgusting things like this. Am I ever going to get justice for all the garbage I have gone through? Sometimes I wonder, but then I see that no one will hand it to me I am going to have to go and seek it. These creatures, have no morals or conscience. Somewhere in the world there must be a God and there must be justice for what these people have done and continue to do.

Cell phones are a minor concern for me now, I just leave mine at home. I still get followed, but if it can lessen their advantage, then so be it.

I am more concerned about the eharassment (electronic harassment) and finding sources on this earth, who will help me go after these people. (Legally) I want justice for all that was done. This is a nightmare that people can be this creepy. Why am I not surprised though? These people have no lives of their own, so why would they not try to steal, and ruin someone else's. My contempt knows no boundries, I can only hope I will encounter the right sources, to see these people brought to justice.

There must still be decent people on this earth, who can help to see this happen. Not everyone can be dirty, I just have to find the right sources, who are not afraid to go up against the evil that is this. I just pray that I can obtain justice for all that was done.

Going to the police other targets have been shrugged off, forced to be evaluated for mental illness or locked up, because people following you, spying on you, that's signs of being loco. Sure unless it's gang stalking. This is what other targets who have gone to the police have gotten. The only way to get any success it seems is to draw enough attention to your cause, to get people to actually care, is that still possible these days?



[edit on 8-10-2006 by Harassment101]

Then I wonder just what kind of society do we live in where things like this can really happen? People steal years of your life by harassing you, stalking you, mobbing you, degrading you, and then when you go and complain you get the blame, or locked up, or put away for trying to defend your rights?

What kind of a world has this become? I really don't know what to think any more. I just know that out there, there are still good people. They may be few and far between, but they are out there.

I was pretty lucky to find this forum, I think it's one of the first places where people didn't try to pass it of as a tin foil hat thing. Nearly everyone was open about this and willing to discuss it in an open and honest way. I want to thank everyone again for that, because it really did make a difference.

Thanks.

well, in your advanced stage of affairs, i think your approach of starting a website and trying to gather victims is the best you can do and my posts about precautionary measures against surveillance were more designed for lurkers and people who feel they're being targetted, somehow.


another question comes to my mind: when did this ordeal start? was there some kind of trigger event or did these people appear gradually?


thanx in advance.

Harrassement, I am glad you are feeling a bit more grounded in dealing with the situation you found yourself in. You have kept your wits and are not crazy!!!

I was reading a thread on trolling and actually, although not as life altering as the harrassment it is a similiar phenomena. When 1 or more persons actively seeks to disrupt the flow of life and communications of others in an organized manner we have to readjust our thinking to be able to accomodate this new enemy.

I wanted to also share this also with ATS.

Glass can be half full or half empty.

This is something I shared with someone else, that I am going to share with others. I am in a bad place, but not as bad as before.

For me I can't ignore the electronic harassment I'm going through, cause it makes my skin feel life it's on fire, but I stick to my do it yourself tiles, cause they reduce the intensity of the eharassment for me a little bit. I also think about where I am, compared to where I was.

A few months back, I did not really fully grasp the horror that was in my life, I knew people were betraying me, but had no idea to what degree. Now things are out in the open. I am one of those lucky targets who now knows what is going on. Many are still in darkness, suffering without any idea, what so ever. Many have no way of getting support, just cause they don't have access, or they don't have the Internet.

I am being harassed it's true, and it's painful both physically and psychologically, but I think about where I was, and where I am. I am now in a position to help myself and others, even if it's only by sharing my knowledge. I am no longer in darkness about my harassment, I have a name for it. I now know that others have gone through the same thing, where before I thought I was all alone, I now know that I am not.

So right now I feel pretty damn lucky, compared to where I was, and that's what I focus on. I also am trying to get the word out. I have started blogging on this, I post at a variety of forums about this, and I do what I can. God did not leave me powerless. What he has given me I will use to help others.

I feel lucky because, before people were out to hurt me, and I didn't know why, now I understand, that they are cultural sociopaths, with nothing better to do with their lives than gang stalking, and I truly feel sorry for them. That they need to do this to others to fell like people.

I use to know that strangers were helping to harass me, I could never prove it, and when I went to HR and advised that my harassment was also happening outside of work, they tried to use this against me, and now that's not a possibility any more. So compared to where I was, I am in a way better place, and I am very grateful.

Imagine being a target of gangstalking, or eharassment or any other form of harassment, and not having a name for your harassment or an outlet where you could get support for it. Imagine if you were suffering, but in darkness, without a name for your harassment? Many other targets are sill in this state and we have the power to help them, just by sharing our knowledge.

So yes, I am in some physical discomfort, but no longer in psychological discomfort like before, and for that I am glad, and grateful. God did not leave me in that darkness. I now have the power within my grasp to help affect change for myself, but also change for others.

Focus on the opportunity, not on the obstacles.

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