Gang stalking and what it says about our society at large.

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Since trying to talk about gang stalking. I have had my post and account at webhostingtalk shut down. The same with geeks to go.

Just when I was makeing progress at the Opera.com website I had some poster named starfish girl deliberately high jack the thread and got it closed down. (I see that shortly after that the mods were kind enough to delete the thread fully.) On that thread I had proof of an email by one of my stalkers who had slipped up and included my website address in the email. A website address that I did not leave on that specific forum.

Now my thread above at Oprah.com is being highjacked once again by the poster named starfishgirl, who recently started a none profit for stalking targets. It seems that in the gang stalking community there are very few legit persons and the rest are people pretending to be targets.

My computer is still monitored live, and my home. It's so very surreal that it's hard to describe. I find it so hard to imagine that things like this go on in our society. I was just so brain washed into beliving that things like this could not happen in our society. You live you learn, just like Alanis Morresette would say. I guess.

So if you think you have disinformation agents in your community, don't feel bad. I have 10 times as many in mine.

Anyways do have a read of the thread while it's still available for viewing.

You are very lucky to have this community. Most people here know about the NWO and secret societies. This makes you one step ahead of the game in so many ways. Also this makes you very open about topics like gang stalking.

[edit on 16-8-2006 by Harassment101]

[edit on 16-8-2006 by Harassment101]

Harassment 101, i would be reluctant (if i were you) to heap praise on any site, tbh, i doubt the admins have to be 'in on it' to shut you (or anyone else) out. imagine legal threats, a few trumped up charges and entire nations give in, appropriate media coverage provided, of course. a puny website will not put up a fight, simple as that.

remember that even if you don't see it, it's probably still there.


i wonder if these people can be shut down by coordinating a few hundred victim's moves so the stalkers can't keep up due to a lack of agents, i highly doubt they're using individual coverage - too many agents needed. this has got to be an achilles heel. similarly, if ten or more victims got together, would they trail dozens of agents? is the average agent even aware of the larger network and would they freak out when they find out they're part of a parade ?

thoughts?

Originally posted by Harassment101
discuss.ctv.ca...



Just when I was makeing progress at the Opera.com website I had some poster named starfish girl deliberately high jack the thread and got it closed down.



[edit on 16-8-2006 by Harassment101]

[edit on 16-8-2006 by Harassment101]

Hi Harrasment101

I was there, remember me? You stopped posting around the time i showed up. I showed up about 1 day before starfish girl.

Hi everyone

Ive been a target for about 3-4 years now. My case started in college. I wish there was somthing i could do to stop this crime as, im going to be homless here very shortly, and that sucks when you live up north. And my car just broke down. If anyone has any suggestions on what I should do, im all ears.

The strange thing about lagoon32 coming out for this thread is that this person appears to have just registered the account today.

How could it be that you landed on this thread on this day to add to a thread being frequented by your old aquantaince Harrassment101?

It sounds to me by your post, lagoon, that we could read into harrassement's situation that he was maybe trying to solicit sympathy or money from others. Is that true? How did you come along to ATS and find harrassment?

The strange thing about lagoon32 coming out for this thread is that this person appears to have just registered the account today.

How could it be that you landed on this thread on this day to add to a thread being frequented by your old aquantaince Harrassment101?


It sounds to me by your post, lagoon, that we could read into harrassement's situation that he was maybe trying to solicit sympathy or money from others. Is that true? How did you come along to ATS and find harrassment?

My response
Its lagoon43 not 32, and i did register today. If you read my post correctly, you would notice that I never actully got to speak with harrassment101(his/her name was "gangstalking" ON THE OPERA.COM FORUM). I know him/her from my.opera.com, which is were starfishgirl reared her ugly head.
I cant understand what you wrote about soliciting sympathy or money, it makes no sense.

I used google to find this board, just like i do to find everything else.

[edit on 17-8-2006 by lagoon43]

Ok, maybe I read to much into the sympathy/money part. I equated the part about being homeless, car breaking down, what to do with someone looking for donations or something from other readers. My bad.

What are your thoughts lagoon43 (sorry about the 32) on gangstalking.
What did starfishgirl do to hijack the thread?

Originally posted by interestedalways
Ok, maybe I read to much into the sympathy/money part. I equated the part about being homeless, car breaking down, what to do with someone looking for donations or something from other readers. My bad.

What are your thoughts lagoon43 (sorry about the 32) on gangstalking.
What did starfishgirl do to hijack the thread?

I wouldnt ever expect to get anything other than a good laugh off the internet.

My thoughts on gangstalking...its a slow death. I would never believe it was real if it werent happening to me. There is no way out of its clutches that i can think of. Once the damg is done, there is no undoing it. Just like in court, someone can say something about the defendent, and it can be objected from the record, but the jury still heard it. My family and friends have all turned on me. I have no idea how ive managed to keep what little sanity i have left. I sleep most of my days away. My mind is empty. Ive wanted to run for some time now, but I cant bring myself to do it. I would freeze to death eventully, and i have no were to run to.
So basicly, gangstalking sucks.

Starfhishgirl declared that everyone posting there was a perp, in her first post, and used antagonizing remarks to piss people off.

I am saddened and sorry to know that people are being subjected to this horrible onslaught being described in this thread.

My experience I described earlier on in this thread was nothing to compare with what some of you have had to deal with. In my case there was a way out. Drop out of the loop and it went away for me.

These things you are experiencing are stuff of movies, but I do believe you because most anything is in the realm of happening with things have become. What better way than mind-ops.

Hang in there because the spirit life affirming action always wins!

Article some times pop up on mainstream news, here is one that showed up today.

slashdot snipet:
yro.slashdot.org.../08/17/142226

the article:
www.iht.com...

Hi Long Lance.

The post was deleted. I would check a thing like that first before saying they had deleted it. I can see why it was closed, although it seems to have been a deliberate effort, but there was no need to delete it. That post had proof of my stalker. They slipped up and pm's me an email mentioning my website which I had not done in the Opera post, and no I had not left any links on the Opera post either, yet they knew my site. Remember this is a bit ago before when I was still less known.

Also the same stalker posted on the CTV Opera.com forum, at a time when it should just have been me there.

I do not believe that they got a law suit asking them to take down the post. In the post it was clear several of them had taken part in flash mobbing and if GOM was to be believed it was hinted that maybe gang stalking. I don't know this for a fact, so I can not say.


Hi lagoon43.

Before the post was deleted I remember a poster with this name who mentioned Nick Berch and also said that starfishgirl does this all the time. Since it's hard for me to know who is who, and who is playing which game with who, I am cautious right now.

If you are a true target, I am sorry to hear it. I am trying my best to get the word out about this in as many ways as I can, so that we can have our lives back if possible.

Hi interestedalways.

How did you find the thread lagoon43? I am so tired right now. Knowing who to trust is this stupid game that everyone plays.

Hi lagoon43.

Maybe you really did, but then the stalker H. das. Arse seems to find my threads the same way, and online you don't know who is who. Eg. I was never sure if starfishgirl was pretending to be two people to get the thread closed down or if she really was arguing with another target.

Even at the Oprah post, I don't know if she was pretending to be Deb, I don't know if they were just doing street theater? All I know is that my computer is live monitored and wherever I go, my stalkers go there too.

I am so sorry if you really are a target, I don't mean to be so closed off, it's been so sureal.

Hi lagoon43.

My thoughts on gangstalking...its a slow death. I would never believe it was real if it werent happening to me. There is no way out of its clutches that i can think of. Once the damg is done, there is no undoing it. Just like in court, someone can say something about the defendent, and it can be objected from the record, but the jury still heard it. My family and friends have all turned on me. I have no idea how ive managed to keep what little sanity i have left. I sleep most of my days away. My mind is empty. Ive wanted to run for some time now, but I cant bring myself to do it. I would freeze to death eventully, and i have no were to run to.

Why does that sound so familiar?


Hi interestedalways.

No it does not. Sometime that spirit wins out but sometimes it does not.

To save time and energy I am posting less. Eg. I am trying to answer threads once or twice a week. I am doing this because I am spending a lot of time on my forum, but I am also email others who might be able to get this out in the open.

I am just going to repost my most recent Oprah thread, cause it's almost the same thing. You know what's weird, I had never heard of Nick Begrich before the Opera post, which Lagoo34 mentioned, and then on the Opera forum here is starfish girl saying that I am pretending to be him.

Starfish girl from the Oprah forum.

Gangstalking who pretends to be Nick Begrich, (btw, does Begrich know that someone is stealing his identity online?)

All very interesting. Oh well.



Outreaching with other communities.

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In addition to contacting organisations like Amnesty International what I have been doing recently is contacting other in the community and asking them to assist us with spreading the word or even providing quick links.

Since gang stalking is just really community mobbing with stalking thrown in, I have asked our friends in the mobbing and stalking communities to do what they can to assist our cause.

www.mobbing-usa.com... has been kind enough to add links to www.gangstalking.ca and my site www.Harassment101.com... and www.mobbing.ca has been kind enough to link to my site as well.

If Oprah or her producers are interested in this cause they might want to do a show on the workplace version of this instead, since it seems a little more stable right now. Workplace mobbing is pretty much the cousin of community mobbing AKA gang stalking.

There are laws all over Europe against Mobbing, Moral and Emotional Abuse. There are some laws in the States, and Quebec city in Canada has now passed a law. The memeber of this community are well respected and it's a well studied field that is gaining proper attention.

One Canadian that is at the forefront of the mobbing cause is a Professor at the University of Waterloo, he himself was almost mobbed out of work and has since then been studying and spearheading awareness for this cause.

He has a website
www.arts.uwaterloo.ca... .

Kenneth Westhues Professor of Sociology University of Waterloo is well respected, and well known.

The creator of www.mobbing.ca was a journalist for canwest global and is also well known, and has written a few articles on the subject including his experience with workplace mobbing.

members.shaw.ca...

There are dozens of books on this topic and it's well researched, in April the topic even gained some front line attention and was featured here chronicle.com...

Since people pretty much know what stalking is by now hopefully, once they understand mobbing, they just put the two together and that basically is community mobbing AKA. Gang stalking.

It's happening across all societies and awareness as you will see by reading Professor Kenneth Westhues work is one of the ways to stop it. If you can stop these things at the start that is key, and one of the best ways he points out is just for someone to do the human thing and say knock it off or cut it out.

Anyway mobbing which is an equally important issue might be as good as any to feature on the show if gang stalking is not available.
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So that is what I have been up to. Since so many people in this community pretend to be targets, then maybe if laws are passed for mobbing which is like the workplace version of this, maybe people can come to understand and accept this better, so that's where I have been and that's what I will be off to do some more, but I will keep an eye on the threads.

Happy postings.

Harrasment101

I understand your concern, i would be weary of anyone claiming to be a TI, and ontop of that, I would be weary of someone being weary of claiming to be TI. It is a no win situation. Even though it is likely that we can never trust each other, I like how you approach problem of gangstalking. The context you put it in is believeble, and sound. You must be a really tough individual.

The only thing i would like to share is a really really really good book that all TIs should read. It is called MIND MANIPULATION ancient and modern ninja techniques written by DR. haha lung and christopher prowant. Reading the book is empowering for me.

It's not even the fact that I think I probably have one more stalker on my hands, it's the fact of what might actually be behind this. Eg. How far up the corruption goes.

The post for the Opera.com forum where I had proof that the stalker H. das. Arse was stalking me was not only closed on purpose, but it was deleted. Then I noticed that some of my google listings are gone, the thing that is missing on the internet is the thread of the Opera.com post. Now I have seen deleted threads stay for years in the googles cache, in fact once they are there, there are there for a very long time.

The cache was there even up to a week ago when I mentioned that anyone who wanted to see the thread could still use the google cache, now the cache is gone.

I don't want to see paranoid, but who can make a google cache go away? Who has that much reach? Do powerful Banks really have such connections? I am guessing that the answer might be yes.

Now I know some people will say if the thread was deleted that's why it's gone, but I know google and I have had forums crash and die, and the cache is still there and it's now years later.

This is so off beat. It looks like the poster starfishgirl was sent to get the thread closed because I had proof of my online stalking. She got it closed, it mysteriously disappeared, and even the cache is now gone?

I know it's sounds paranoid, but it's just what I am observing. I saved some of the cache via html, but think about what this means if this is the case.

I have heard someone on another forum mention that his sites were pushed to the back of google, till they could not even be found.

Normally when I pull up my site it returns about 641 hits, it was doing that almost consistantly for months, give or take, and now it pulls up about 431 hits. Other times of the day it pulls up way more. But on average the hits were 641, I could time it like clock work.

I am not going to try and proove or disproove the grip organisations have or don't have on our search engines, I don't have the proof, just the speculation.

But it's all fascinating.

So now it looks like a non profit site has been set up to lure in targets, and unless something is done, in a few years every target will believe it to be a legit site, and people like me will just be screaming it's not legit.

Funny world you find yourself in sometimes.

A gang is an orgainized community that gives its members an imense amount of secruitiy in a a preceived dangerous envirnemt. Pledge your loyalty and protection will be granted to its members. Since most gangs exist in poverty struck neigborhoods protection against rival gangs is a must. Think of a gang as our form of terroism in the US. Their targets however are slightly different. Usually rival gangs become the primary targets they arent concerned nearly as much with civialians.

Its phycological protection at its best but almost a must in porer cominities. People will say just say no to gangs but unfortantly protection is needed in these comminties simply because they do offer protection. As usual most yuoung people in these cummunities really dont have a whole lot of choice because they are in danger from gangs hurting them.

Most gangs have a hirarchy just like a terrorist cell and usually dont kill the name of a higher power but more so out of their preceived protection and honor that is rewarded for enganging enemy gangs. Gangs even have hiracrcal structures which include alpha -males and matriarchs.

To put it bluntly some people in these gangs dont want to be in them they simply just dont have much choice. Im sure if they lived in a rich suberban neighborhood they would choose not to be in a gang.

[edit on 23-8-2006 by Sonata]

[edit on 23-8-2006 by Sonata]

Sonata, i think you're reading too much into the term gang here, afaics, these people (perpetrators) are not at all poor, they're spread throughout the fabric of society to give them more or less universal reach. stereotypical 'classic' gangs may be used, but they're only a subset.


i think you're right about the motives, though, people are dependant on their group and i'd wager they won't hire agents who may have the confidence to quit.

Hi Sonata.

I think part of the problem with using the term gang stalking is that people do think street gangs.

This is not about street gangs. Gang stalking is really just Community mobbing with stalking thrown in.
Eg. Workplace mobbing takes place at work, this form of it happens in the community where the target resides. It also has nothing to do with rich or poor communities. Since much of what is perpetrated is set in place by wealthy corporations, people with money and power.

Many of the same factors that encourage others to join gangs may be in place but the goal of this harassment is to break a target over time and drive them to distruction. Eg. suicide. It's specifically targeted psychological harassment that can last for years, till the target is ready to give up and give in. The problem with this is that unlike street gangs where the problem is out there for the public to see and recognise this is hidden in society.

Most people do not even know that this is going on, they have no idea, that hundreads of people across their cities are taken part in this. People who look and act like normal citizens, because they are in essence normal citizens, but on the side they help target and harass innocent people.

Since becoming aware of this I have been shocked by the kinds of people who take part in this. I am surprised by the organisation of it, the power that must be funding it, the reach that it has, and the fact that I was fully oblivious to this.

Hi Long Lance.

How could they quit this? I have seen the few who don't want to be in this, it's like they are owned by this. It's bondless slavery. Where would they go, and who would they turn to? Even with regular gangs at least you can move to another city and get out maybe, but with this, it's so far reaching, so many people are involved these people will only be allowed to be set free by bringing this to the attention of the public. If the media would do their job then this would not be such a problem. This works because it works in secrecy and silence, exposure is the only weapon.

With power comes great responsibility, however those it power have taken to the philosophy that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutly. This darkness must be brought forth into the light. It's the only way to stop it.

How do we bring this into the light?

I know where are suppose to think street gangs are all about drugs and guns, but I wonder if many young people who catch onto something like this aren't joining gangs as a way to try to protect themselves from this?


Eg. If I was a young person and found out about something like this existing in society and wanted to feel safe and protected from this, I wonder if I would consider joining a gang. I mean this has to be pretty scary for anyone who becomes aware of this, targets and none targets alike.

The power behind this is 10 times as brutal as any street gang, probably get their funding in part due to the under currents of society, and I wonder if they would not join gangs to try to feel safe and protected from this evil.

Just a thought. I have nothing to back it up with. People just don't realise who far reaching this is.

There are limitation to there reach. If there wernt, then we wouldnt have an fbi most wanted. If someone can run from the FBI, they can surely escape gang stalking. Some real criminals do run away and dont get caught, and not all of them are smart. This means it should be possible for a TI to get away.

Harassment101,
This is soooo weird, I haven't read the whole thread, but from your detailed description in the beginning I see this is what is happening to me and my husband.
We are losing everything, it is horrendous. And we can't pursue the predators.
How does one escape?
Scary.
WIS

[edit on 28-8-2006 by WalkInSilence]

Workinsilence

Why do you think its happening to you. Name as many reasons as you can.