Israel Takes a Stupid Pill

Yeah but that was not really Hizbollahs job to do. That should have been the job of the Lebanese representative to take up with the UN. Not that it would have done a lot of good for Lebanon to protest but that was the right way to do it. They are not true representatives of the government to enforce such things. Their polotical representation in Lebanese parliament should have taken this up in their Parliament.
Pie

Yes but the lebanese goverment asked for them to be returned, over and over, they did adress thje UN, the UN said for them to be returned, A resolution was passed and it was not respected not that it matter , israel had broken all the resolutions.
Many countrys had pay a havy price for not respecting UN resolutions, invasion, sanctions, imbargo as a result.
The UN had no power over israel really, look on the previos page how many resolutions they have ignored.
So in that case what's the option?


[edit on 23-7-2006 by pepsi78]

Originally posted by pepsi78
UN Resolutions and Palestine

UN resolutions Israel has not complied with

And there are just as many if not more resolutions that the Arab world has failed to meet.

Originally posted by pepsi78
The real problem is ocupation, israel has to give back all the lands ocupied after the independece war.
This is the reason for the war, lebanon is an old problem and part of lebanon is still ocupied and had been ocupied for many years.
I guess with all the garbige on the media people dont know the facts, they just see what's on tv
The real problem is ocupation that is the problem

Well, maybe if they were going to lose they should not have attacked them in the first place. Spoils of war baby, if you cannot pay the piper, then don’t bet the farm. They bet the farm, and now are crying because they lost it.

Originally posted by Souljah
Exuse me - Israel has crossed the Lebanese Border with their soldiers, who then came under attack by Hizb'Allah who controls the South Border.

Hizb'Allah is DEFENDING ITSELF - Not Israel.

Just EXACTLY what world are you living in?
Because its not the same as the rest of humanity…

Are you talking about this time, or originally?
It makes no difference though as the Arab world started the fight both times.

This time they crossed the boarder and killed/snatched soldiers, if you mean in the larger context then I suggest you review what I typed earlier as you obviously missed this bit:

1948 May 15, Hours after declaring its independence, the new state of Israel was attacked by Transjordan, Egypt, Syria, Iraq and Lebanon.

So Souljah what is their excuse for the attacks on citizens of other countries not involved?

The bombing of the embassy, the school in Russia, 911, to name a very, very few?


How much you want to bet Souljah that if, and it is a big if, they can reestablish an amount of peace in the Middle East that the next blow is again landed by Arabs to provoke the Israelis or some other country?

Ill bet you anything you want, maybe a public apology for being wrong, maybe never posting to this board again, you name the terms…

I know you wont accept, because we both know you will lose.


And to whoever it was that compared this to the American Revolution, there is one major difference you missed.


Yeah the US fought a gorilla war, but we fought it against uniformed soldiers, not their families. Terrorists fight a gorilla war against civilians, and hide from uniformed soldiers…

And there are just as many if not more resolutions that the Arab world has failed to meet.

please provide information like I did in the form of a list.

Well, maybe if they were going to lose they should not have attacked them in the first place. Spoils of war baby, if you cannot pay the piper, then don’t bet the farm. They bet the farm, and now are crying because they lost it.

Sorry Un resolutions must be flowed, and the land must be given back, israel must give the lands back that it captured after the independence war.
The arabs are fighting for their land, and have every right to do so, everything is ocupied iligaly, and israel must also folow the law, or is the law only for dumb arbs?
Your response is low in backing your claim up, I'm surpriesd , I thought you were a much better poster, please bring some facts to back up your claim.

Why is the reason of this whole war in the middle east, israel ocuping teritory.
Did israel give back the land it captured after the independence war ?NO
Is the ocupation ilegal?YES
Did israel comply with the security council?NO




[edit on 23-7-2006 by pepsi78]

Originally posted by Souljah
Let's check out the Talmud - Jewish record of rabbinic discussions of Jewish law, ethics, customs, and stories, which are authoritative in Jewish tradition.

Ok why not check out the Quran, I just happened to come across a thread on it here:

politics.abovetopsecret.com...

Besides the 68 resolutions that are valid and that israel faild to aplly there are others that did not make it simply because the US had veto them.
To show you how embarasing this is.

Lebanon: Draft condemned recent invasion by Israeli forces of Southern Lebanon and repeated a call for the immediate withdrawal of all Israeli forces from Lebanese territory; (S/19868) 5/10/1988 vetoed 14-1 (US)
Embarasing 14 countrys for resolution united states uses veto against the resolution

Lebanon: Draft strongly deplored the recent Israeli attack against Lebanese territory on 9 December 1988; (S/20322) 12/14/1988 vetoed 14-1 (US)
Embarasing again

Occupied territories: Draft called on Israel to accept de jure applicability of the 4th Geneva Convention; (S/19466) 1988 vetoed 14-1 (US)

Occupied territories: Draft urged Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention, rescind the order to deport Palestinian civilians, and condemned policies and practices of Israel that violate the human rights of the Palestinian people in the occupied territories; (S/19780) 1988 vetoed 14-1 (US)
14 to 1 , again the us goverment plays boss at the UN


Occupied territories: Strongly deplored Israeli policies and practices in the occupied territories, and strongly deplored also Israel's continued disregard of
relevant Security Council decisions. 2/17/1989 Vetoed 14-1 (US)

Occupied territories: Condemned Israeli policies and practices in the occupied
territories. 6/9/1989 Vetoed 14-1 (US)

Occupied territories: Deplored Israel's policies and practices in the occupied
territories. 11/7/1989 Vetoed 14-1 (US)


Occupied territories: NAM draft resolution to create a commission and send three security council members to Rishon Lezion, where an Israeli gunmen shot down
seven Palestinian workers. 5/31/1990 Vetoed 14-1 (US)

Middle East: Confirms that the expropriation of land by Israel in East Jerusalem is invalid and in violation of relevant Security Council resolutions and provisions of the Fourth Geneva convention; expresses support of peace process, including the
Declaration of Principles of 9/13/1993 5/17/1995 Vetoed 14-1 (US)


Middle East: Calls upon Israeli authorities to refrain from all actions or measures, including settlement activities. 3/7/1997 Vetoed 14-1 (US)

Middle East: Demands that Israel cease construction of the settlement in east Jerusalem (called Jabal Abu Ghneim by the Palestinians and Har Homa by Israel), as well as all the other Israeli settlement activity in the occupied territories
3/21/1997 Vetoed 13-1,1 (US)

and this are just a few
the US goverment used 70 times their veto calling off basicly the resolutions , in other words the US used it's veto every time to defend israel, what a whole world seen right they saw wrong.
Besides 68 of them made it and are valid resolutions, from almost 200 resolutions passed against israel .This is embarasing


[edit on 23-7-2006 by pepsi78]

For those reasons alone I don't think either the talmud or the quran is the word of any god, they are the words of men, masquerading as the word of a higher power.

That's my opinion and I will speak no further as I am not interested in a religious debate.

It does seem to me that Israel puts forth a holier than thou attitude towards everybody else, and they seem to also expect respect, much more than they deserve.
But also with the Arabs, but they seem to get much more of a bad rap, much more than they deserve.

The broken UN resolutions by Israel is pretty impressive! But Israel gets away with it.

I've seen a few posters on this thread mentioning that others are biased, either for the Israelis, or the Lebanese. The problem is, as soon as that's said, they go on to post with a bias on the opposite side.

From what I've seen, both sides are at fault.

Hizbullah should have never taken those prisoners.
Israeli forces should have never bombed such vague targets.
Hizbullah shouldnt have launched the rockets.
And Israeli forces shouldnt have taken those border towns.

Both sides are to blame. Yes, both sides have their reasons, but the reaction in all events has been far greater than what was warranted by the initial action.

Both sides are getting into a battle they could have avoided, and both sides are about to learn a very harsh lesson they both deserve to learn.

Lets hope this time, they remember it.

Pepsi,

I will have to get back with you as its hard to dig through all the Israel hate sites and find an actual list of any type.

But here are two that if they had been followed we would not even be having this discussion right now as Hizballah would not even be there….

Syria continues its illegal occupation of Lebanon in contravention of United Nations Security Council Resolutions 425 and 520.

Originally posted by Toadmund
For those reasons alone I don't think either the talmud or the quran is the word of any god, they are the words of men, masquerading as the word of a higher power.

The Talmud IS the word of man, it is never been claimed to be the word of God. The Torah is the word of God, and the old testament of the Christian Bible. Maybe you have them confused.

Talmud
Torah

Not all Jews follow the Talmud; mostly it’s used by the more orthodox Jews.


[edit on 7/23/2006 by defcon5]

Ok, I thought the talmud was a religious document, maybe so, just not the word of god.
However, I don't believe the old testament reflects a true god either.
It just seems too weird.

It's a bloody shame that these countries follow bad doctrine.

Syria continues its illegal occupation of Lebanon in contravention of United Nations Security Council Resolutions 425 and 520.

siria has complied with the resolution, It took a while but they had complied with 425 and 520,can you see sirian troops in lebanon? your explanation does not prove that siria is ocpuing lebanon, further more if siria was ocuping lebanon there would be war already betwen siria and israel because of direct confruntation with sirian army if the sirian army were to be in lebanon.
Let's look at it again

Syria continues its illegal occupation of Lebanon in contravention of United Nations Security Council Resolutions 425 and 520.

I find it inacurate, siria has conplied with the security council.
Can you now show me where israel has complied?




[edit on 23-7-2006 by pepsi78]

It's a shame any country follows any "word of" document.
Chances are, whoever said what has been written in those documents, werent really thinking about centuries in the future when they said it.

Originally posted by johnsky
It's a shame any country follows any "word of" document.
Chances are, whoever said what has been written in those documents, werent really thinking about centuries in the future when they said it.

The problem is that the law is the law if the laws were 100 years old I would understand, this just shows that israel does not give a damn about the UN security concil, and they will do as they please as they done in the passed.
Countries got invaded for violating a few resolutions, like iraq.
But when you break 60 plus resolutions and you get away with it then people start thinking.
It's unaceptable.
I'm not taking any part with any side, the problem is the curent situation of lebanon is do to long time policy caried out by israel.
Upducting lebanon civilians, ocuping lebanon's teritory, to this day a part of lebanon near the border with israel has been ocupied, that is the reason for this whole war, this would of not happend if israel gave back the teritory and prisoners that they upducted.
This war is a retaeliation and not an atack, a retaeliation because israel is ocuping land of lebanon, and because they have people upducted unfiar in the previos war when israel tryed to invade lebanon.
Hey I would also fight for my country no matter what the cost is, and if some came here in this country where I live and took land from this country by force and kidnaped people off the street I would do the same.
The problem is they refuse to give back the people they took they refuse to give back the land, even by law, the law said to comply but they didint, so what can those peole do?when everything fails?what do you do? YOU RETALIATE.

I find alot of people aren't taking sides.
Those who are, well, let them.
Personally, I take the side of anyone who thinks they are both to blame.

Let them duke it out. Let's hope Syria and Iran will see it the same way... doubtfull.

The Israeli invasion of Lebanon was planned between top Israeli officials and members of the Bush administration

Global Researach

The Israeli invasion of Lebanon was planned between top Israeli officials and members of the Bush administration. On June 17 and 18, former Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu and Likud Knesset member Natan Sharansky met with Vice President Dick Cheney at the American Enterprise Institute conference in Beaver Creek, Colorado. There, the impending Israeli invasions of both Gaza and Lebanon were discussed. After receiving Cheney's full backing for the invasion of Gaza and Lebanon, Netanyahu flew back to Israel and participated in a special "Ex-Prime Ministers" meeting, in which he conveyed the Bush administration's support for the carrying out of the "Clean Break" policy -- the trashing of all past Middle East peace accords, including Oslo. Present at the meeting, in addition to Netanyahu, were current Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and former Prime Ministers Ehud Barak and Shimon Peres. Former Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir is very old and suffers from dementia and Ariel Sharon remains in a coma after a series of strokes.

I knew some Hard-Core Neo-Cons were behind this Genocide.

You can smell them, since their rotting smell is not so hard to find.

Dick Does it Again!

[edit on 24/7/06 by Souljah]

Originally posted by Souljah
Israel has crossed the Lebanese Border with their soldiers, who then came under attack by Hizb'Allah who controls the South Border.

Yep. And the reason Israel did that was because they are taking out an enemy
who has been attacking them. You "forgot" to mention that fact.

If Hezbollah didn't want this to happen, then it shouldn't have attacked Israel.
It should have left Israel in peace. Israel just wants to be left alone to live in
peace and so it has a right to go after those who attack it.

Hizb'Allah is DEFENDING ITSELF - Not Israel.

You don't really believe that do you?

FlyersFan,

I see that You and I could not agree that the color of these letters is Black.

What is the point of posting answers to your statements and vice versa?

Since you obviously never ever agree with me - and vice versa?

It's kind of beating a dead horse all over again.

You have your Views and Opinions and I have mine, and I guess they will not come any closer then this - so why do you even bother posting to my threads?

Do you think You will somehow convince me otherwise?

Or do you do it, just to make yourself feel better, since you know I'm right?



[edit on 24/7/06 by Souljah]

Originally posted by Souljah
www.globalresearch.ca...

Oh gawd. Souljah .. no wonder you think the way you do. Seriously, unplug
from this rot. It's garbage. You've been brainwashed. Detox by getting the
FACTS. (example - FACT - Hezbollah called this rain of fire down by it's own
actions .. it attacks Israel and then hides behind civilians in Lebanon)
Free your mind. Stop reading that muck.



[edit on 7/24/2006 by FlyersFan]

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Oh gawd.

Souljah .. no wonder you think the way you do. Seriously, unplug
from this rot. It's garbage. You've been brainwashed. Detox by getting the
FACTS. (example - FACT - Hezbollah called this rain of fire down by it's own
actions .. it attacks Israel and then hides behind civilians in Lebanon)
Free your mind. Stop reading that muck.

I am sorry to Dissapoint you, but I rather tune in to Global Research for my dose of "UNREFINED" and "UNCENSORED" Information - on contrary to your main source, for which I think it is Fox News. This is a perfect indicator about how apart our views are.

And you are going to tell me "Free Your Mind"?



If not anything else, you are Funny!

Originally posted by Souljah
why do you even bother posting to my threads?
Do you think You will somehow convince me otherwise?

I pray every day that you be liberated from the curse you are living under ...
the anti-American curse ... And yes, as long as you post what you do I will
continue to counter it in the sincere hope that something actually sinks in and
you are freed from your terrible burden. Perhaps one or two things might
sink in and sometime in the future they will bloom into undertanding and
wisdom for you.

Yes we always disagree - except on two occassions when I actually agreed with
you .. shocked the heck out of me

You wouldn't want ATS to be an echo-chamber would you? How on earth would
you learn anything if everyone agreed with you all the time?? Is that what you
want your threads to be ... a series of echo-chamber responses? Hey .. in a
perfect world everyone would agree with ME and MY thoughts would be echoed
all throughout ATS! But we can't have everything we want, can we??

I'm sorry I hadda laugh when I saw that Israel only wants peace.


I remember when the USSR was a communist country and how we used to react when people would escape from "Behind the Iron Curtain". You'd hear of stories about bread lines, and toilet paper lines, having to always have passes to get from place to place, and KGB coming to arrest you if you said the wrong things or even KGB secret service torturing people they thought were spies. Here we have Israel a country that is supposedly a democratic state that is 50X worse to the 2nd class citizenry then Old time USSR ever could have been to its citizens, a secret service agency that surpasses anything the KGB doled out, and they are just peaceful people made up of snakes and snails and puppy dog tails cuz thats what good little boys are made of. Either some are just gullible or they know the deal and expect everyone else to be gullible.