Israel Takes a Stupid Pill

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Apparently not content to let the US do a self-immolation act in the Middle East by itself, Israel decided to set itself on fire by invading Lebanon. Burn baby burn? Like George Bush, Israel's Prime Minister, Ehud Olmert, never served in a combat unit and launched military operations without thinking the matter through. In fact, Olmert reportedly never even served in the military. I raise this because there is one simple question Israel cannot answer about the current operations-what is their strategic military objective. Olmert has somehow persuaded the Israeli military to ignore strategy, think tactically, and in the process become really stupid. The events in the next several weeks will expose as myth the canard that you can secure a nation by killing terrorists. No you can't.

Killing "terrorists" has a place in policy but it is not a strategic military obective. It is a tactical objective and may serve political purposes, but achieves little in terms of securing Israel. Israel is attacking targets in Lebanon like a drunken sailor in a bar fight. Flailing about, causing significant damage, hitting innocent bystanders, and generally making a mess of things. This is not the Israeli military that pulled off the brilliant and daring raid at Entebbe.

What about Hamas and Hezbollah?

They are not terrorists. They carry out terrorist attacks, but they are not terrorists. They are something far more dangerous. They are a fully functioning political, social, religious, and military organizations that use terrorism tactics, but they are far more formidible than terrorist groups like Al Qaeda or the Basque Terrorist Organization. They do have the resources and the personnel to project force, sustain operations, and cannot be easily defeated. Unlike the Egyptian and Syrian armies in 1973, Hamas and Hezbollah will not easily fold and cannot be defeated in a seven day war. If that is the assumption among some Israeli military planners it is a crazy fantasy.

So what Exactly is Israel doing?

Trying to Erase Hizb'Allah and Hamas from the Map?

By Bombing the crap out of Civilian infrastructure and by Slaughtering Lebanese Civilians from the Sky is kind of not Helping to remove these "Terorist Regimes". Actually it does the Opposite.

If Israel will continue their "Resuce Operations" the way they are doing them now - and I am most certain they will, since the Good Bush&Co supplied IDF with MORE bombs - then they will just create More Hizb'Allah members. People who never liked Hizb'Allah will now join them, since the Mighty and Stupid IDF are not only attacking Hizb'Allah, but the Entire Lebanon in a Very Genocidal Way. There are no Rules anymore, suddenly Everybody is a Target - including 110 CHILDREN, who have died from the beginning of this Aggression.

So, let me get this Straight:

- When Hizb'Allah Attacks MILITARY TARGETS, they are Terrorists,

- When IDF Attacks CIVILIAN TARGETS, they are Defending themselves?

Now this is SEVERLY Fecked Up!

[edit on 22/7/06 by Souljah]

yep there are aload of double standards in politics. you see the way that hez has seats in lebanons parliament, how are not doing this for the people(they represent a big percentage of the population). the foxnews of this world would tell us that they are doing it just for iran and syria.

now democracy got hold in lebanon, and hez got seats, the americans seem to be pissed of that the lebanon people have voted the hez into seats in there parliament. what double standards.

america and israel should just take over the country and place there dictators into power if they do not agree with the democratic process in lebanon.

yep there are aloads of double satndards in politics and news reporting events.

i agree with the fact that israel has the right to defend itself but i like others and the thread starter see the double standards you are talking about.

[edit on 22-7-2006 by andy1033]

As is normal, some posters are so one sided and filled with hate, they can't see the tree's from the forrest.

Simple situation-Hezbiolla terrorists are attacking Israeli military and CIVILLIANS on a daily basis.

appoligists for the terrorists say what is being done is wrong...


One:WHO will step upmto the plate to stop the terrorists hezbolla-the answer is clearly-No ONE! With that in mind, Israel must do it on it's own.

That means rooting out all the terrorists and there terror weapons. Being the cowardly scum that terrorists are, they do everything in their power to make sure Lebanon is distroyed. Thats right, I said Hezbolla is directlyu responsible for all the death in lebanon.

They hide their( hezbolla/Iran/Syrian terror weapons in schools, homes, busness's and even religious sites.

They know accept and desire the death of lebaneze-yes they do. They hide among the innocent civillians so many die in the attemps to nutrialize the terrorists.

If hezbolla really cared about lebanon or anyone else for that matter, they would not place civillians in danger and death as they do.

But we can all see clearly, the only thing that matters to terrorists is causing terror and murdering Israely/Jewish people.

but all what most people know,is .....

ISraeli airforce killed 50 civilien.
just like that,the media is *SNIP* brainwashing people,and being one sided

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[edit on 22/7/2006 by Mirthful Me]

Well you are correct in some of your statements Souljah. From the start of the attacks in palestine, i could tell that they were not out to 'rescue' anyone. Why would you attack power plants and infastructure if you are trying to rescue a soldier? The attacks were to completely disable the enermy. I thought that these were disgusting acts with in themselves, but no one really gave a huge stuff untill Israel attacked Lebanon, the Palestinian attacks were acts of war aswell.
I do believe that Israel does have its own agenda, but what is its final goal? Does it was to expand its borders? Cripple surronding neigbours so if a attack on Iran happend, it wouldnt be surronded?
All i can say yo you though souljah is that people will always be fooled by mainstream media, eating up the 'bs' they serve. Although consistantly trying to proivde alternative views on current events will just again get people to become numb to your messages. Try not to preach as much.

Originally posted by mrmonsoon
As is normal, some posters are so one sided and filled with hate, they can't see the tree's from the forrest.

Not Hate - just some Common Sense and Open Mind.

Simple situation-Hezbiolla terrorists are attacking Israeli military and CIVILLIANS on a daily basis.

Why do you think they are?

Is it because IDF have Decimated the Lebanese Infrastructure?

Is it because IDF have Massacred 330+ Lebanese Civilians?

Is it because IDF have are Attacking Lebanese Infrastructure and Killing Civilians on DAILY Basis, with more Firepower then all the Hizb'Allah combined?

The Lebanon Massacre

If Hizbullah is the target, why is Israel deliberately killing civilians & destroying the country's infrastructucture?

Israel and the U.S. alleged that the motive behind this criminal atrocity is that Israel trying “to free” two Israeli soldiers, taken prisoners of war by the legitimate Lebanese resistance movement (Hizbullah) during a heroic military operation. However, “freeing” the soldiers was never an Israeli priority; it was only a pretext used to justify state terrorism. Israel’ real motives are:

(1) the destruction of Lebanon economy;

(2) the destruction of legitimate anti-Israel resistance movement

(3) the terrorising of the Lebanese civilian population; and

(4) the imposition of subordinate dependent (puppet) government. In other words, Israel’s planned agenda is designed to perpetuate violence against legitimate resistance to Israel’s terror and in the process instigate a region-wide war.

In violation of international law, Israeli war planes (U.S.-made F-16s) have destroyed the country’s largest milk factory, a major food factory and two pharmaceutical plants. In addition to the destruction of electricity supply, roads and bridges, water purification plants, power plants and grain silos have been destroyed. As the media reported, a convoy of two trucks carrying medical supplies was hit and destroyed. Furthermore, Israeli force deliberately massacred eleven and injured many Lebanese soldiers while sitting in their base. In the village of Srifa, Israeli warplanes (U.S.-made F-16s) destroyed an entire neighbourhood murdering at least 18 innocent civilians, including many children. According to the UN, one third of all victims are innocent children. “Israel has thrown an atom bomb on Lebanon, it is the Israeli Hiroshima”, wrote Palestinian author Azmi Bishara.

appoligists for the terrorists say what is being done is wrong...

If you are defending Israel, you are a Terrorist Appologist yourself.

One:WHO will step upmto the plate to stop the terrorists hezbolla-the answer is clearly-No ONE! With that in mind, Israel must do it on it's own.

One: Israel Created Hizb'Allah, by Invading Lebanon in 1982.

Hizb'Allah was Democractily Elected and has seats in Lebanese Parlament.

Hizb'Allah run the Israeli's out of Lebanon, and is in many eyes of Lebanese people seen as the Liberators.

They are not "just" a Terrorist Group.

That means rooting out all the terrorists and there terror weapons. Being the cowardly scum that terrorists are, they do everything in their power to make sure Lebanon is distroyed. Thats right, I said Hezbolla is directlyu responsible for all the death in lebanon.

So let me get this Straight:

When Hizb'Allah Attacks an Israeli MILITARY TARGET, when Violating the Soverignety and Integrity of Lebanon that is TERRORISM;

But when IDF Attacks and Massacres 330+ Civilians and Decimates Infrastructure that is called "Search and Rescue" or the Poor Israel is just "Defending itself"?

They hide their( hezbolla/Iran/Syrian terror weapons in schools, homes, busness's and even religious sites.

Actually you can not just Blame Iran, Syria, Hizb'Allah and Hamas -

What about the Hypocritical Support of the United States towards Israel?

Well that sure adds to ALOT of Pressure in the Middle East.

What about the Neutral Position of entire Europe, which just stands and watches?

They are sure not making any new Friends in Middle East.

They know accept and desire the death of lebaneze-yes they do. They hide among the innocent civillians so many die in the attemps to nutrialize the terrorists.

Errrr excuse me?

Where are they hiding?

You mean the Numerous Civilians killed on Streets, in their Cars, Vans?

You think that IAF pilots actually "Pick their Targets" to aim only at Hizb'Allah?

Please!

IDF have shown their True Intentions, which are to Isolate Lebanon, Decimate their Infrastructure, Occupy the Souther Part, which was always a Zionst Dream of "Greater" Israel.

If hezbolla really cared about lebanon or anyone else for that matter, they would not place civillians in danger and death as they do.

If IDF REALY wanted to target only Hizb'Allah, then they would not desroyed 50+ bridges, gas stations, airports, seaports, TV stations, buses full of civilians.

The Israeli ambassador to the UN told a pretty nice picture of what Israel is doing - Cutting the Cancer Out of Healthy Tissue.

And that Cancer is Called ISLAM.

Remember this? - Israeli Diplomat: All Terrorists are Muslim

But we can all see clearly, the only thing that matters to terrorists is causing terror and murdering Israely/Jewish people.

How many Israeli/Jewish People have Hizb'Allah Murdered so far?

Care to COMPARE the Numbers?

And how conveniently, you did not even mention once, the Death Toll of Lebanese CIVILANS - to you are just Terroristic Rats, a Cancer that needs to be Removed from the Face of this Earth.

[edit on 22/7/06 by Souljah]

You have voted Souljah for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have two more votes this month.

Originally posted by Souljah .

The Israeli ambassador to the UN told a pretty nice picture of what Israel is doing - Cutting the Cancer Out of Healthy Tissue.

Ridiculous isn,t it
He may be legitimately trying to remove the cancer ..ok.

But what if the surgeon was a bigotted maniac with an axe in his hand?
Sure there might be some health tissue left but it,s no good to you if he,s left you in fifty ''healthy'' pieces

even though this situation is anything but funny, the daily show sum it up ok

www.youtube.com...

the situation is bad i know, but i thought this sums it up.

www.youtube.com...

another showing how it effects americans, and what nationals in usa care about most.

[edit on 22-7-2006 by andy1033]

If you so blame the IDF for killing innocent children, what about Hizb'Allah? IDF lines their forces up in plane site on the boarder, you only need to turn on any news station to see this first hand, its not spin. What does the Hizb’Allah do? They cringe like cowards hiding in amongst the civilian population, firing rocket blindly into cities, knowing that every one of their own civilians that is killed gets them that much more whine time to the media.

If the Hizb’Allah is so in the right, if God is so on their side, why don’t they come out of the nurseries they are hiding in and stand toe to toe across the boarder with the IDF and exchange fire. If God is on their side, they should be victorious. If they cannot do that it tells me everything I ever need to know about them, they are cowards, they lack honor, they lack faith in their god, and/or they know that God does not stand with them and they have no claim to the land they want.

Until they grow some honor, get some courage, and stop hiding in amongst civilians, until they stop hiding their equipment in locations that are used for humanitarian services, until they stand face to face with those they wish to fight, I really have no sympathy for their plight. Hizb’Allah are the ones killing civilians and children on BOTH sides of the war, they kill civilians on the Israeli side out of hatred and they kill their own people out of desire to play on the bleeding hearts out there.

IDF threw down the gauntlet, after repeatedly being punched in the nose, so now lets see David stand up to Goliath with his slingshot and his faith, if he cannot then he does not believe in his God or his cause…

Originally posted by andy1033
even though this situation is anything but funny, the daily show sum it up ok

www.youtube.com...

the situation is bad i know, but i thought this sums it up.

I really needed this laugh today. Thanks. I was seeing those pictures of all those dead children and I began to think of my own 2 year old and I was in tears thinking about what it must be like to see your child like that. Thanks for the laugh.


Pie

Originally posted by defcon5
If you so blame the IDF for killing innocent children, what about Hizb'Allah? IDF lines their forces up in plane site on the boarder, you only need to turn on any news station to see this first hand, its not spin. What does the Hizb’Allah do? They cringe like cowards hiding in amongst the civilian population, firing rocket blindly into cities, knowing that every one of their own civilians that is killed gets them that much more whine time to the media.

Who gave them the chance to have the whine time? It was Israels choice to attack a nation for those very same cowards, that you are claiming now are hiding in nurseries. Are you that desperate to get people on your side that you make these stories up? I thought u said to stop the propaganda...u meant everyone stop telling the truth so you could start spewing propaganda.

Originally posted by Souljah

What about Hamas and Hezbollah?

They are not terrorists. They carry out terrorist attacks, but they are not terrorists. So what Exactly is Israel doing?

the reason why there are so many civilians dying is because the "brave" Hamas and Hezbollah hide behind their own chikdren and ppl. They do not wear uniforms so they can't be identified. So i guess in your point of view, Israle should just curl up in a corner and let its people die, right ?

It's interesting though.. no one seems to give a royal rice for the Israeli victims??? ehe .. waht the ehck .. their just "zionists" right ??

Originally posted by defcon5
If you so blame the IDF for killing innocent children, what about Hizb'Allah? IDF lines their forces up in plane site on the boarder, you only need to turn on any news station to see this first hand, its not spin. What does the Hizb’Allah do? They cringe like cowards hiding in amongst the civilian population, firing rocket blindly into cities, knowing that every one of their own civilians that is killed gets them that much more whine time to the media.

If you haven't notice yet, this is NOT a war against Hizb'Allah, but against the entire Country of Lebanon. Were Hizb'Allah soldiers hiding in Power Plants, Milk Factories, Food Factories, Pharmaceutical Plants, Water Purification Plants, Grains Silos's? Were they hiding under the Bridges, near the Roads? Were they hiding in TV-stations, Airports, Seaports, Gas Stations? It is so easy for you to quickly use the fastest way out of the d-bate, by grabbing a hold on the good-old-Americans-in-Iraq-quote: "Terrorist Hide Amongst Civilians!" when Inncent People die. It is so easy to quickly get rid of all the Blame and point the finger at "Terrible Terrorists".

If the Hizb’Allah is so in the right, if God is so on their side, why don’t they come out of the nurseries they are hiding in and stand toe to toe across the boarder with the IDF and exchange fire. If God is on their side, they should be victorious. If they cannot do that it tells me everything I ever need to know about them, they are cowards, they lack honor, they lack faith in their god, and/or they know that God does not stand with them and they have no claim to the land they want.

How many Tanks does Hizb'Allah have?

How many Self-Proplled Artillery do they have?

How many Aircraft do they have?

How many Helicopters do they have?

How many Gunship do they have?

How many APC's do they have?

What about the 150 air sorties done by IAF a day, which manily kills Innocent Civilians, 350 people in Lebanon and displaced half a million people?

You are not Concerned with those numbers at all.

If some for Example Syria attacked Israel in the same Fashion that IDF and IAF are doing to Lebanon today, and they would have killed 350+ Innocent People, you would yell out "TERRORISTS! TERROR! TERRORISM!" - but since this Crimes Against Humanity are perfomed and executed by the Holy and God Chosen Nation of Israel, you are keeping your Mouth shut.

Until they grow some honor, get some courage, and stop hiding in amongst civilians, until they stop hiding their equipment in locations that are used for humanitarian services, until they stand face to face with those they wish to fight, I really have no sympathy for their plight. Hizb’Allah are the ones killing civilians and children on BOTH sides of the war, they kill civilians on the Israeli side out of hatred and they kill their own people out of desire to play on the bleeding hearts out there.

And until Israel bows down to 65 UN Resolutions against them there will be no Peace.

Israel was once in Lebanon in 1982 - and you know what happened?

People of Lebanon got so pissed of by their fecked up Genocidal Tactics of killing everything Arab that moves, that they gave Birth to Resistance - a Resitance Called Hizb'Allah. And they have driven them out of Lebanon.

You pathetic attempt to put all the blame on Hizb'Allah is not working here mate - at least not with me. Hizb'Allah first attacked Valid Military Targets - the IDF soldiers crossing the border with Lebanon. And they have not done that the first time - IDF have crossed the border many times, kidnapping and capturing Lebanese and taking them to their little Gulags scattered around Israel. And when the same thing happens to them, they start using TERRORISM in the fullest definition, by attacking Civilian Targets around the country of Lebanon, without prejudice, without mercy, without remorse and without anybody opposing. West just stands still, USA sell Israel some more bombs, Europe just watched and thats it!

IDF threw down the gauntlet, after repeatedly being punched in the nose, so now lets see David stand up to Goliath with his slingshot and his faith, if he cannot then he does not believe in his God or his cause…

IDF got punched in the nose?



With WHAT?

Sticks and Stones being thrown on their Tanks?

If not anything else, you are Funny.

Originally posted by BaastetNoir
the reason why there are so many civilians dying is because the "brave" Hamas and Hezbollah hide behind their own chikdren and ppl. They do not wear uniforms so they can't be identified. So i guess in your point of view, Israle should just curl up in a corner and let its people die, right ?

Were they hiding in the Milk Factory?

Were they hiding in Grain Silos?

Were they hiding in Pharmaceutical Plants?

Please - do not insult my Intelligence by posting this bushy crap.

If you wanna use this terminology, saying all Lebanese are suddenly turning to Terrorists - then I will say that all Jews are Fascist Zionists.

Originally posted by andy1033
yep there are aload of double standards in politics. you see the way that hez has seats in lebanons parliament, how are not doing this for the people(they represent a big percentage of the population). the foxnews of this world would tell us that they are doing it just for iran and syria.

now democracy got hold in lebanon, and hez got seats, the americans seem to be pissed of that the lebanon people have voted the hez into seats in there parliament. what double standards.

america and israel should just take over the country and place there dictators into power if they do not agree with the democratic process in lebanon.

yep there are aloads of double satndards in politics and news reporting events.

i agree with the fact that israel has the right to defend itself but i like others and the thread starter see the double standards you are talking about.

[edit on 22-7-2006 by andy1033]

We in America need to take a lesson from Lebanon and start arming our political parties. This is so crazy that an armed force is voted into the government in Lebanon. It is like voting the Crips or Bloods or MS13 into office.

Originally posted by Souljah
And until Israel bows down to 65 UN Resolutions against them there will be no Peace.

Why on Earth does Israel have to bow to anything, when they were the ones who were attakced first ?

and you still havent faced the fact that Hez'bllah and Hamas are a bunch of cowards that use their own ppl has shields.. so if they sue their own ppl has chields, its their own fault their children are dying. If you can't see that ...I suspect you must be one of them ...lol

I don't agree with the Israel apologists BS about them (Hizb'Allah) hiding amongst the population because they are cowards either.
I suppose the only way they can be seen as not-so-bad by some peoples logic is for them to put bullseye targets on their butts and stand out in the open and take the full brunt of Israels US supplied military might and die like real men

I suppose that if Hisb'Allah got rich benefits from another country like Israel gets support from the USA, I would suppose then that Hisb'Allah would be more out in the open, but alas, the imbalance of military power makes the necessity to run out, strike, hide away and live to strike another day.

It's only logical, sheesh!

Originally posted by Toadmund
I don't agree with the Israel apologists BS about them (Hizb'Allah) hiding amongst the population because they are cowards either.

you don't have to agree with it, because it really makes no difference.. It is what they do! do you know that at this same time they were showing on TV, (CNN even.. shocking) children by some fence trowing rocks at the Israeli soldiers? did you ? of course not.

They do hide behind their families and their own ppl ... and they brainwahs them so they do their dirty work. And for what ? So hat when someone gets killed they can cry " the jews are killing cicvilian"... and you are a good example of how that tatic works.

I wonder how you would solve the problem if you were the Israeli head of state.

Originally posted by BaastetNoir
and you still havent faced the fact that Hez'bllah and Hamas are a bunch of cowards that use their own ppl has shields.. so if they sue their own ppl has chields, its their own fault their children are dying. If you can't see that ...I suspect you must be one of them ...lol

If they are cowards why don't the israelis face them head on mano-y-mano sans the battle gear, tanks, fighter jets,smoke machines and whatever else they use, and fight them on their level guerilla style?Cowards need all that hardware dedicated to getting them? Instead of dropping bombs on entire families, razing peoples houses, burning down family orchards and olive groves, ,menacing children with tanks, closing their borders whenever they feel like it, allowing settlers to snipe them in cold blood without punishment for their crimes. You call that heroic? You call that courage? Bah. I call that even more cowardly than a terrorist. They are barbarians hiding behind an entire democracy, a farce, and a sham. The only reason why they even play at being a democracy is for the money they get.

Originally posted by ThePieMaN

Originally posted by BaastetNoir
and you still havent faced the fact that Hez'bllah and Hamas are a bunch of cowards that use their own ppl has shields.. so if they sue their own ppl has chields, its their own fault their children are dying. If you can't see that ...I suspect you must be one of them ...lol

If they are cowards why don't the israelis face them head on mano-y-mano sans the battle gear, tanks, fighter jets,smoke machines and whatever else they use, and fight them on their level guerilla style?

well, i think you shoudl ask that to the Hez'bollah and the Hamas... they're the ones hidding behind their families shooting their Russian missils from the top of REsidential building.

But your question made me shuckle... so what you are actually saying is, Israel should start firing missils from the top of their buildings and hidding behind the Jewsih ppl...Is that the "brave guerrilla style" you speak of ? C'mon ... did you even think before you type ?