Bush: One of America's best presidents

Originally posted by wang
Now why in america now is liberal a dirty word? When their such renowned forefathers were the some of the greatest liberals in the world? This i just dont understand.

Blame it on the 60s. It made many Americans want to spit on it. Thats where Americans started turning to conservatives. Of course people would not call themselves liberals, some would just say they belong to the Jeffersonians.

Originally posted by SpinDropSmile
I admire the fact that you can stand behind your president. Especially stating it here in this forum. As a Canadian and one that follows the politics of the U.S. very closely because as I see people (all people) as important and equal and America used to have a good grasp on that. If your talking about Bush the man, than I'm sorry because he propably is a nice man. But to disrespect all the GOOD, HONORABLE and COMPETENT Presidents of your country is in my opinion disgraceful. This Man is no leader!!!!
He is a RICH kid that did absolutly nothing himself. He has no clue of what a real American is.
Here's a sports analogy -- He is your Hockey Coach's son. The worst player on the team but somehow he is the Captain. You go to practice and work hard, while the son called Captain doesn't have to. Then when the game begins... your no less than an after thought because he is Daddies boy! You sit on the bench while he plays. (you lose!)

George W Bush is not the President. His Father was! But junior doesn't not know how to tie his shoes let alone lead a counrty.

Please REP DEM's look in the mirror realize you are the same people!!! Then find a person that can help lead your country. Not someone who has never experinced life or the rules of life that everyone else must follow.

Just my 2 cents no looking to scrap.... just sad with the world and people how are supposedly running it.

He has it right. Bush is not the worst president in our history... there is still Jimmy Carter. He was the worst, but Bush is somewhere behind him. We do not know how history will preseive mr. Bush... Lincoln was the worst president in our history regarding the constitution, he walked all over and went by his rules, martial law, arresting people for simply disagreeing with him. He is now one of our heros.. maybe Bush will be like him for his strong stance in this war, or maybe he will go down as a corrupt hill billy from Texas. No offense to the hil billys here. And by the way to all the liberal Bush haters, Kerry would have been worse. Maybe worse then Carter.. well.. maybe..

Originally posted by deltaboy
So you pretty much assume the Saudi govt. is backing Al Qaida, the same group that killed Saudis as well as foreign citizens in the country... the same group that attempted to target the Saudi Arabia's oil facilities. The one where Osama called for the overthrow of the House of Saud and to be replace by a govt. that Osama wants.

Yup.
www.ndu.edu...
www.humaneventsonline.com...
kyl.senate.gov...
www.usnews.com...
www.pbs.org...

[edit on 19-7-2006 by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

The sources you provided is not exactly what you call hard evidence. The sources are just telling that the Saudi govt. did it and the same sources are saying they have no concrete proof or that the govt. may not be involved. Its like saying I did it and I didn't do it at the same time.

laiguana

Do you believe in your constitutional rights? or you prefer that the nation be run with a totalitarian rule. . . you know what the constitution is right? it applies to every American be republican, democrat or else.

Is not the patriot act, you know . . . that was Bush making. . . the war in Iraq was Bush choice in my name your name and in the name of every American, the war on terror was Bush making too, but it seems that he is only fighting terror in the same nation that he was to liberate from . . . evil regime not al-qaida terrorist.

I don't know how young you are but in my case I was just a teen when the last president that over steep on the rights of the citizens of this country had to resign.

laiguana,

I admire you for the fortitude of your post. I am guessing that by now you have realized what I did when attempting a similar action on here.

You have stated your beliefs and also what I believe to be the truth in regards to President Bush. What you get in response is the unmitigated, unexplainable hatred the Left has for the President. I am NOT a moderate. I am a conservative. However I can read.

Most of the time when you nail one on the left down and require facts about their allegations that President Bush lied, they begin their explicates with "I am a Moderate." Though they take an obvious Liberal stance, it is almost like they are ashamed of calling themselves what they are; Liberals. I might call myself the King, but I will never be one, no matter what I may tell others. Names are cheap, it is what they write that defines them.

I believe that you will find that most can not give you any clear concise explanation for their hatred. Except for comments such as 1) Illegal War 2) Liar 3) War Criminal etc. All of which are simply their opinions and simply hogwash. If any of these were true, Barbara Boxer would have him impeached by now. However their efforts and investigations have proven fruitless.
What you get more often than anything else are insults as to his ability to speak in public, or insults as to his intelligence. Of course when you defend this with the FACT that public speaking is not everyone's forte', you will get little or no coherent response. If you DARE speak of his Ivy League education, the comments will flow that it was "Bought", Well my education is from WVU and I paid for it as well. This is however not their intent. Instead, their intent is to insult.
And lets not forget the National Guard fiasco. They even brought out the BIG guns and had Dan Rather reveal forged papers to further their cause. Another incident where the President held the high ground and came out fine.

Still, hatred is hatred and can not be explained in any rational forum.

This I am sure, will get blasted and picked apart by other's opinions and that is perfectly acceptable. However, read and see that even though they are only opinions, insults and unproven allegations, they will state them as facts.

Semper

George W. Bush should spend the rest of his life in prison for TREASON!

All of you narrow minded liberal scum need to get off of Bush's case. Bush is the synthesis of the finer points of two great opposites in American nature.

He is a strong leader in the Spirit of John Adams and Alexander Hamilton. He is not afraid to trade barbs with nations that just a few short years ago were vital allies. Granted Bush hasn't actually started a naval war with France yet, but France doesn't have much of a Navy really. He understands that the Bill of Rights was a mistake and should simply be ignored and legislated right over. Not only that but Bush understands the need to phrase these things gently; enemy combatant sounds like a choice- something you can blame something for being. Much better than "alien and sedition acts" which sound like they target flaws a person can't help.

But not only that, Bush bridges the gap between the Adams/Hamilton and Jefferson/Madison camps. Bush, like Jefferson, understands that the whole point of being white is that you can screw minorities (but at least bush keeps it figurative to the best of my knowledge, despite rumors about Condi). Bush, like Jefferson, understands that sometimes you've got to tank your economy to show the rest of the world that you mean business. Granted Jefferson went slightly farther (he outlawed trade before he started neglecting it), but on the other hand, Jefferson managed to reduce the national debt while ignoring the economy; no such luck for Bush.

Bush is a brilliant man. He has done the impossible. We now have the worst of both worlds. Authoritarianism without all that efficiency and decisiveness. Who would have thought that's even possible?

As a strong POLITICAL CONSERVATIVE

I believe George Bush is doing all he can to undermine our Constitution.

I would argue that YOU are in fact quite liberal with our inalienable rights
as American citizens.

IF.....
I told you that your wool was due for a trim you might be insulted, so I wont.

I stared at the thread for a few minutes in wonder, feeling certain that FallenFromTheTree was not responding to my post. But who else would he be saying that to? The last post in this forum before mine was his; certainly if he'd been talking to someone else he would have said it sooner. I am left to suspect that he just may be talking to me. What can I say if that be the case but WOW.

I say:

We now have the worst of both worlds. Authoritarianism without all that efficiency and decisiveness.

Gee, when you read the whole thing you just might get the impression that my support of Bush was tongue in cheek.

You respond:

Originally posted by FallenFromTheTree
I would argue that YOU are in fact quite liberal with our inalienable rights
as American citizens.
IF.....
I told you that your wool was due for a trim you might be insulted, so I wont.

Nope, thanks for clarifying my stance. A quick skim of my relatively short post made it obvious enough that I was sincerely praising Bush. Perhaps you need to bone up on your history. I compared him to a would-be tyrant and (forgive me for saying this about Mr. Jefferson, of whom I am in several respects a sincere admirer) a screw up.

Make sure you've got a full mag before you try to shoot your mouth off next time. If that head of yours had been loaded we might have had a friendly-fire incident.

Your friend and fellow detractor of Bush,
The Vagabond

Vagabond, I can see where you might have seen my last post as being directed to you in particular, but it wasn't really.

Actually it was directed at anyone defending Bush and especially those who yell

YOU LIBERALS the loudest.

My humblest apologies for having fired back at someone who never actually fired on me to begin with.

Originally posted by The Vagabond
My humblest apologies for having fired back at someone who never actually fired on me to begin with.

Lol - sounds like friendly fire.

laiguana, considering your monologue-like posting manner you come off as someone not interested in discussing anything but rather someone interested in collecting points.

Am I close, laiguana?

Originally posted by wang
Now why in america now is liberal a dirty word? When their such renowned forefathers were the some of the greatest liberals in the world? This i just dont understand.

...along these same lines...
from the declaration of independence:
"–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

What is thought as UNpatriotic nowadays would be our duty as Americans back then.

HAHA Vagabond, that was the best line of insults I have ever read, made me cry almost. To bad it made me forget what I was going to say though...

I dunno what's going on in the above posts^^^ I wish people would say by name who they are referring to.
To Durden: I have been discussing this thread, you can see I've replied twice now, though I can't dedicate my time only here even if I wanted to.
But anyway I assume FallenFromTree must be talking to me and this is my response: I don't have wool, I have scales. And if it's possible to provide examples of how Bush is undermining the constitution that would be wonderful.

As an overall response: Seems like Semperfortis took the words right out of me. I've also seen the same trend where liberals will accuse the President with an array of claims and when it comes to backing it with facts there is nothing but empty space. Now I will tell you what, being a moderate, I take a good look at the two ends of the spectrum. Even though I may not agree with Bush on EVERY issue I still see the Islamic threat to world peace as one of my first concerns and it seems to be that this administration isn't afraid of taking action against terrorism while their liberal opponents want to delegate diplomacy with the terrorists, something terrorists have no concept of in the first place.

[edit on 20-7-2006 by laiguana]

They can not explain their hate.

The spend all their time making illusive and derogatory comments, or spout the Liberal talking points from CBS, ABC and NBC.

If there was any substance to their "comments", Impeachment would be ongoing.

President Bush has withstood and stood up to EVERY single allegation and is still fighting the good fight.

It is without a doubt the hatred that has them blinded. No one can see through a veil of hatred so deep.

semper

Bush won't even rate in the top 40 after he leaves office.... That is if the world exists when he leaves office. Going the direction we are now there may not be a world to judge his accomplishments.

Trolling?

This is Slug Fest right?

Here let me look.....hmmmmm

Yep, it is Slug fest.

So who is trolling? The well thought out paragraph, defining ones position or the one or two liner that either insults the President or the posters?

Semper

Originally posted by GrndLkNatv
Bush won't even rate in the top 40 after he leaves office.... That is if the world exists when he leaves office. Going the direction we are now there may not be a world to judge his accomplishments.

Makes you wonder why the world is still living since Bush is in office as of 2006. What did Bush suppose to do that could end the world?