Far-fetched theories

I have never read so much bull in this forum. It seems that anyone can spout any theory, without any proof, and there will be people who believe anything. Hey, I don't care what you say, but have a bit of common sense. I'm not going to mention any names, but you know who you are.

Whatever happened to proof. And don't bring this 'I haven't seen God, so how do we know he's real' into this. God is a spiritual being; we are not talking about spirituality here, we are talking about actual physical beings here, beings that allegedly live on all the planets of this solar system, beings that allegedly visit one lone human.

Yeah, yeah, I know, it's a world wide conspiracy. The Government (hmmm, I guess the Canadian Government is in on it, too), Hollywood, Big Business, everybody is conspiring to keep us poor schnooks (sp?) in the dark.

Horse puckey! Show me one tiny shred of evidence, one small iota of proof and I might change my mind.

So far I have not seen any. Just a lot of 'That's the way it is, and I'm right, and everyone else is wrong.

Sometimes I think I should reveal my true history, but unless you are really gullible, you won't believe a word of it. Of course all those who believe all this other malarkey will probably believe it, and, hey, I won't need any proof. Just take my word for it.

And my chest feels a lot lighter now that I got all that stuff off it.

Originally posted by Thekherham
I have never read so much bull in this forum. It seems that anyone can spout any theory, without any proof, and there will be people who believe anything.

Yeah, that pretty much sums it up. Proof would be nice, but there really isn't a lot of that to go around. Here are some basic facts (not assumptions) about UFOs and aliens:

1) There are UFOs flying around in the skies.
2) Most of them are misidentification of common or unusual aircraft, or natural phenomena.
3) A very tiny percentage of them are as real as anything, but not any of the above.
4) We don't know what they are.
5) We suspect because of the way they fly that "aliens" may be responsible for them.
6) But nobody has any completely convincing proof that aliens exist in the first place.

And that's about it. There are some associated theories, such as the one about the "government" hiding the proof of aliens. But that's a kind of circular theory to begin with, isn't it? It assumes aliens exist.

Otherwise, there's not really much to say about about UFOs and aliens. We can debate the merits of a particular bit of film or photo. Or a personal account. But at the end of the day, we're pretty much back where we started.

"Proof" requires a whole spectrum of things to be accepted. Without having a flying saucer sitting in the Smithsonian, we have to look for logically connected facts to build a circumstantial case. Unfortunately, we don't have enough evidence to build that case. Maybe someday. Maybe not. Maybe it will always be a mystery.

Read this sticky post: Compilation: Some of the best UFO Cases (or the Classics)

if you are looking for evidence.

There is enough evidence of aliens and alien spacecraft(not neccesarily a world wide government, businees, media, etc. conspiracy) out there you just need to look for it and examine stuff logically.

Originally posted by Thekherham
Whatever happened to proof.

There is no undenible proof. That is the main problem with UFO theories. Everyone who has claimed to have it, was full of it. But if you are interested in what some former army/navy/cia etc people have to say, check some of the disclosures out:

click here

Its not solid proof, but it is a lot easier to trust them rather than faceless people on a messege board.

Well if you're serious about ufo/aliens I wouldn't spend too much time looking through these forums. The best information you can get is what you can gather yourself....in other words: do a little research for yourself. What's that 'free information act' or something that you can request. Although alot of people have used this and get papers that are 75% blacked out. But atleast you get some idea....

Perhaps we should look at the title of your thread - Far Fetched Theories. Aren't all theories far fetched to some extent or, at least, when they are outside of someones comfort zone.

You want to take god out of it but I would be happy to argue similar points about most religions. Wheres the proof about Eve being made of Adams rib for one. I think a large portion of it is complete hogwash but I don't trawl around those forums jumping on threads saying so, it serves no purpose.

I don't understand why people can't look at a piece of information/theory or whatever and if it seems delusional, bizarre or a complete fabrication, so what? Just take in the information, process it and if you draw those conclusions, dismiss it and move on.

I'm afraid that you sound like someone who desperatley wants to believe but it all sounds just to unbelievable and then teddies are thrown out of the pram if you don't see enough evidence to tell you what you want.

If you don't know, you aren't supposed to. We will all learn the truth at some point but not before we are supposed to. Unfortunately, people are unable to have a conversation about confliciting beliefs and it turns into an argument.

If you click home on the menu and scan down the list of subjects, I think most of these subjects are all part of the same thing, the big picture, so to speak.

Personally, I don't believe in God but 5.5 billion people on this planet will argue otherwise but it is futile for me to ask for a photo and a ridiculous notion that is anyway. As you want to keep god out of it, I could ask for proof of 100 things in the bible and no one could offer a shred of evidence but it doesn't stop the masses holding a belief that is contrary to mine. Everyone who has ever attended a church is gullible in my opinion but I don't stand at the doors telling them how deluded they all are. You have to realise, its not about gullibility, its about accepting possibilities however far fetched they are. I accept that everything in the bible is a possibility. I think is untrue however, so I choose a set of beliefs of my own making because I just don't 'fit' in any of the usual subscribed pigeon holes.

I have never read so much bull in this forum.

Yet you continue to read!?

It seems that anyone can spout any theory, without any proof, and there will be people who believe anything.

Not necessarily people that believe but people who are open to the idea that it is possible.

Whatever happened to proof.

Read my sig.

And don't bring this 'I haven't seen God, so how do we know he's real' into this. God is a spiritual being

How did you come by this information? You say God IS a spiritual being, how do you know? I hold a different opinion and I know if challenged, you can't prove it but I don't need to challenge it, the fact that you believe something different to me doesn't remove the possibility that you may be right.

Horse puckey! Show me one tiny shred of evidence, one small iota of proof and I might change my mind.

Do you think you are ready for your mind to be changed. What proof would you like, what would satisfy you that someones claims are correct. I don't think it's happening dude, you need to move past it.


Whatever happens, the truth isn't coming to a theatre near you anytime soon. The common advice seems to me to be to lead a good life. I think you will know the truth but that will at any point in time between now and shortly after your demise but it's not on this forum.

I agree with author of this thread.

There are those who frequent these forums who have done hard, legitimate research into the subject of UFO's and alien contact and have come up with compelling evidence. These people are convincing.

But there are also those (alot of them, unfortunately) on here who claim to have traveled the stars and can channel or summon their alien buddies at will. I mean give a break! That is 10 times more far fetched than even the most crazy abduction stories I've heard about from other sources. Of course there is the remote possibility I am wrong, but it is my opinion that the overwhelming majority of the people claiming such things either are blatantly lying or have way overactive imaginations.

I mean, here are thousands of serious people who have spent many years researching this phenomena searching and hoping for alien contact every day of their lives, and here you are claiming that your alien friends come to your house everynight to play cards, and even sometimes take you to their own planet for a free tour? Come on.

What makes it scarier is when such people can't understand why other people think their story is far fetched.

Personally, I don't believe in God but 5.5 billion people on this planet will argue otherwise but it is futile for me to ask for a photo and a ridiculous notion that is anyway. As you want to keep god out of it, I could ask for proof of 100 things in the bible and no one could offer a shred of evidence but it doesn't stop the masses holding a belief that is contrary to mine. Everyone who has ever attended a church is gullible in my opinion but I don't stand at the doors telling them how deluded they all are

Hate to burst your bubble, but the bible has way more historical backing and factual support than any of these "alien channelers" or "human star traveler" stories. Contrary to atheistic propaganda the bible has a lot of historical merit. So having faith in Christ does not stem from gullability but from personal faith. But if you were to believe that first person on the street who told you they went to an alien planet and back, that is gullable.

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Please dont get me wrong, I am not defending these people and people are coming on here lying, then I agree thats not good. The question I ask you is this...

Why does it bother you so?

From my own research, I am perfectly capable, based on my own belief, to recognise such things. There was thread titled something like - Don't believe in Aliens? This WILL change your mind.

Now, if you read this thread, it seems perfectly clear to me that this kid was a fraud and so it turned out but it seems easy to spot those that make stuff up and those that aren't (or believe they aren't) and offer propositions that seem credible or are within the realms of possibility based on your own confines of thought.

What annoys me is not that people hijack and derail the thread but the way they do it. I think we should engage in the conversation and try to debunk by asking questions and tripping them up or inducing contradictions but people dont do that and it leaves a bad taste.

Once you have establsihed that a story is complete rubbish, move on. But people don't and it turns ugly. Its not good for either side.

Originally posted by CaptainKirk
Hate to burst your bubble, but the bible has way more historical backing and factual support than any of these "alien channelers" or "human star traveler" stories. Contrary to atheistic propaganda the bible has a lot of historical merit. So having faith in Christ does not stem from gullability but from personal faith. But if you were to believe that first person on the street who told you they went to an alien planet and back, that is gullable.

Don't worry, no bubble bursting going on here. Each of us are different, and certainly think differently. Wherever your merit comes from is fine by me. Whatever your beliefs are, they are ok by me even if I don't agree.

My point is that however far fetched anything is or seems to be to any one individual, it is perfect sense and reason to another.

I'm with Kirk and Thekherham.
The signal to noise ratio in this forum is low.


Roswell, Battle of LA, Rendelsham along with credible eye witness testimony, FAA/Air Force pilots/astronauts/defense and other affiliated govt officials leads me to believe
aliens and UFOs are a real phenemenon.
A strong abductive argument can be made at least some reported UFOs are from extraterrestrial origin.

But there is too much new age, illogical, drivel posted that is a distraction from a serious discussion of the facts we do have.
Ufology appears to be a religion for some.

Nobody can claim to know the motivations of aliens.
Anyone who claims to know the big picture is either lying or deluded.

I went to some person's website that had detailed descriptions of multiple races, along with their allies, objectives and motiations. There was literally personal names assigned to different entities. It felt like a Sci-Fi fantasy. And yet from reading, I realize this person takes it all completely serious.

Also people who make outlandish claims about advanced civilizations on Venus and such are laughable. Throw in all the reptoid/shapshifting/icke bogus threads and we've got a real mess. I can't believe people take Bob Lazar as a genuine authority.

I think the major problem is purely with people. There are two things..

1. Believing something as truth
2. Considering something as being within the realms of possibility

Unfortunately, the majority cannot distinguish between them and IMO, this is the exact reason why if aliens do exist and all that is said actually is true, then disclosure just isn't going to happen. Not soon anyway.

I would assume that most members of a forum such as this one would hold reasonable if not above average intelligence and would have a mind that is slightly more open than the norm. If this assumption is correct, it demonstrates just how far our species has yet to go before we are ready for some of the revelations that may (or may not) be forthcoming. I would guess 50 to 100 years easy.

Thekherham'


I was going to post something simular but you beat me to the punch.. I mean some of these threads are flat out lies!

"I talk with aliens all the time they are all powerfull"

"ok have one swing by my house"
"I dont have to your not as enlightened as i am"
"ok whatever"

"I can leave my body"
"ok swing by my house and read a note i left for you"
"i dont have to prove anything to you i know whats real"
"ok whatever"

If i had some of these abilities members claim to have I would PROVE it. I mean with all this knowledge and wisdom of the universe it should be a small matter proving it to some wouldnt you think? There is one thread with ?'s and answers that just cracks me up.. We have werewolves, vampires, witches, worlocks and God only knows what else but not one single shred of evidence.. I believe it is some kids who want to feel special or some old guy winning a bet on how many people he can get believing some hoo haa....sorry for the vent but Thekherham right..

If i had some of these abilities members claim to have I would PROVE it.

What abilities are they claiming? They are not the ones with the abilities, ET is. (supposedly)

How do you you know you would/could prove it? If any of us mere mortals were lucky enough to be in such a position, I would imagine you would be imparted with a lot more knowledge of the situation than you have now and may arrive at a different opinion. Perhaps that's the attitude that means you will never get a joyride round the galaxy because you will single handedly blow everything a radically advanced species spent thousands or millions of years creating, if that was even possible.

As much as I don't want to demean, and I don't like to judge a book by it's cover but some people really aren't demonstrating a great deal of open mindedness, not by believing what they read but in applying a certain thought process whilst they are doing so.

The funny thing is, I don't believe either, just trying to help you ranters and ravers to look at it from a different angle. It's clear we all WANT to believe, but seriously, there needs to be a change in the approach before some of you will get anywhere near the edge of your box let alone outside it.

Although I find it hard to believe any of the "horse pucky" myself, I am of the opinion that there is something valuable in almost anything. Yes, the big picture may be fabricated but there is always a little glimmer of truth and there in lies the learning.

Instead of dismissing it all, just look for the positive points buried under all the crap. Useful information is sometimes hard to come by in some of these threads but it is there if you use your periphery.

Thekherham, you obviously have a story to tell, so tell it! If you are worried that because of some outlandish claims made in other threads that your's wont be believed, give it a shot anyway. If you are honest, at least you know it and isn’t that the important thing anyway?

Too many people are willing to disengage their critical thought processes. Maybe its just more fun. John Keel did an excellent job in explaining all of the different problems with investigating paranormal activity in the Mothman Prophecies, including how UFO buffs had more to do with witnesses clamming up than any kind of intimidation by the govt. If you want to approach this as a way of entertainment, you won't be dissapointed, but if you want the truth, you have to start out as a skeptic.

Originally posted by Schaden
But there is too much new age, illogical, drivel posted that is a distraction from a serious discussion of the facts we do have.
Ufology appears to be a religion for some.

Nobody can claim to know the motivations of aliens.
Anyone who claims to know the big picture is either lying or deluded.

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To add to this, even the most credible witnesses that alledgedly were abducted by aliens do not claim to have complete knowledge of what is going on. Further more, not one of these credible witnesses has confirmed or supported these far-fetched new age theories.

It is my opinion that all these new age theories are told all second hand crap that came from somebodies imagination. Somehow it reached the more gullable or "out there" people in society and they began to believe it all as truth.

EDIT: Something else to add...

I was watching this show on Atlantis last night on the Sci-Fi channel. The show followed two groups of explorers, one looking for atlantis in the carribean and the other off the coast of cyprus. Both groups came up with interesting finds to say the least.

However, this one guy came on the show who was a self professed alternative historian and an author of new age books. He claimed that extraterrestrials were responsible for the Atlantean civilization. He said that aliens came down to earth, mixed human dna and their own dna is a lab environment, a pow! the super-intelligent atlanteans were born. He goes on to claim that the war-like nature of the atlanteans caused the extraterrestrials to regret their creation so they dropped a hydrogen bomb on the continent. However, he says, some atlanteans survived and the blood line still runs today; he asserts that they are once again planning world domination in cooperation with the extraterrestrials, and that the Freemason Society (a secret society according to him) is made up of Atlanteans working on this evil project.

If you don't thing this guy has some screws loose in his head then you belong in the same boat he's in. First off, the Freemasons are not a "secret" society. They are a group of men devoted to God and country, not to a global conspiracy for world domination. Secondly, what this guy is doing is taking a bunch of unproven, unfounded ideas and mixing and distorting them into this crazy theory. The sad thing is he believes it all without a shred of support.

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but if you want the truth, you have to start out as a skeptic.

Actually i found the opposite, i started as a firm believer in alot, now i think i am more skeptical of things, a better understanding i guess.
But i still believe

I once heard something like this, all we need is one picture, one video, to be true for the whole topic on UFO/ET's to be true.

at the end of the day, you do not have to read these posts and threads. like i always say, you take from these threads what you want, others take different things.

it is upto you how you take things, but just because something is weird, does not mean it is not true. reality is often stanger than ficton.

for me i do not bother with the alien threads here, becasue you will not get any serious discussion. there are serious issues with regard to that issue, where ever it comes from.

but like i said above you do not have to read these pages, and if you do, take from it what you want, others on this board cannot really force another on this board to beleive something he does not want to.

but for me, for someone to say critical analsys of some info, just means you want people to be skeptics. the truth is often to fantastic for people to believe that is why government have programs to get populations used to ideas.
i.e like the way and how long it takes to get one europe into peoples minds, it would have been a fantastic idea that nobody would of dreamed of succeding at first just after ww2, but today after years of conditioning, it is nearly here.

From the Merriam-Webster OnLine Dictionary
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Main Entry: the·o·ry
Pronunciation: 'thE-&-rE, 'thir-E
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -ries
Etymology: Late Latin theoria, from Greek theOria, from theOrein
1 : the analysis of a set of facts in their relation to one another
2 : abstract thought : SPECULATION
3 : the general or abstract principles of a body of fact, a science, or an art
4 a : a belief, policy, or procedure proposed or followed as the basis of action b : an ideal or hypothetical set of facts, principles, or circumstances -- often used in the phrase in theory
5 : a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena
6 a : a hypothesis assumed for the sake of argument or investigation b : an unproved assumption : CONJECTURE c : a body of theorems presenting a concise systematic view of a subject


Definition number 2 sums it up for me. If there was proof then a statement would be fact not theory.

Originally posted by JIMC5499
From the Merriam-Webster OnLine Dictionary
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Main Entry: the·o·ry
Pronunciation: 'thE-&-rE, 'thir-E
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -ries
Etymology: Late Latin theoria, from Greek theOria, from theOrein
1 : the analysis of a set of facts in their relation to one another
2 : abstract thought : SPECULATION
3 : the general or abstract principles of a body of fact, a science, or an art
4 a : a belief, policy, or procedure proposed or followed as the basis of action b : an ideal or hypothetical set of facts, principles, or circumstances -- often used in the phrase in theory
5 : a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena
6 a : a hypothesis assumed for the sake of argument or investigation b : an unproved assumption : CONJECTURE c : a body of theorems presenting a concise systematic view of a subject


Definition number 2 sums it up for me. If there was proof then a statement would be fact not theory.

What someone chooses to believe is their problem.

Sorry for the double post. I hit the wrong button.


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