Questions for John Lear

Originally posted by Fowl Play
John do you think 7/07/07 will be significant? or is it just another date??
Im not one of these the end is nigh type people, but after studying symbology in numbers, this date scares the # out of me.

Why? It seems to me that 06/06/06 would have been a great day for the numbers to do us in. Nothing happened, as I recall. I guess we will just have to see what next month brings. Maybe Paris Hilton will get out of jail?

Maybe John has a better crystal ball than I?



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i]Originally posted by Fowl Play

John do you think 7/07/07 will be significant? or is it just another date??

Just another day. I don't think we will nuke Iran in the summer. Too hot.

And can i ask you to tell me how you came about the figure for your Lunar atmosphere. The figure seems ridiculously high and seems to defy logic and vision. Is there any info you have that might sway my thoughts on this? regards

Here is a list of people who not only thought that the moon had a breathable atmosphere but substantial gravity, water and a civilization to go with it:

William Herschel
Copernicus
Aristarchus
Wilkens
Kepler
Hansen
Leitch
John Herschel

The last person to seriously propose that the moon had a breathable atmosphere and that people probably lived there was the Danish mathematician and astronomer Peter Andreas Hansen.

In 1856 Hansen delivered a paper to the Royal Astronomical Society addressing the very small difference between the predicted position in orbit of the moon and the actual position. He calculated that the center of gravity of the moon was not at its geometric center but at a point 59 kilometers farther from earth than the center of the moon.

Hansen hypothesized that “One must consider the two hemispheres of the moon, of which one is visible and the other invisible to us, as essentially different with regard to altitude, to climate and to all which depends on them. As the altitude is determines primarily by the distance from the center of gravity, the hemisphere of the moon turned towards us is elevated in average altitude and above the opposite hemisphere. Therefore the former presents itself to us as a sterile land, deprived of an atmosphere and all life, but one can no longer conclude that the other hemisphere does not have an atmosphere, nor that it has no vegetation or living things. The sides of the moon would be at the mean altitude, and one cannot say that any trace of atmosphere would appear there.

Hansen’s hypothesis was immediately and enthusiastically accepted by his peers.

14 years later in 1870 Simon Newcomb, a United States Navy Rear Admiral and head of the U.S. Naval Observatory shows up in Paris and starts attempting to discredit Hansen’s hypothesis by offering nothing more than biased opinion. Newcomb makes this statement about Hansen’s hypothesis, in part, “Thus, in the case of the eviction (difference between predicted and actual position), the discordance between theory and observation would not follow from Hansen’s hypothesis. And therefore, even if it exits, cannot be attributed to that hypothesis.”

Even if it exists?

Hansen replied, “Newcomb promised in his article to give a critical test of the logical foundation of my doctrine, and if I could have recognized such in his article, then I would long ago consented to it, but because I cannot at all understand the logic which is found in his article, I was compelled to reply.”

Hansen’s theory soon died, thanks to the U.S. Navy and Simon Newcomb and people now universally believe incorrectly that the moon has one sixth of the gravity of earth, no atmosphere and no people.

It is the biggest hoax in the history of mankind.

In fact, the moon has at least 64% of the gravity of the earth and maybe more, has a breathable atmosphere and millions of people live up there.

Within the next few months I hope to have the time to assemble all of the facts to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that I am correct.

John, my theory is that the Moonbies, humanoid looking and hybrids, originally came back and forth from Earth to the Moon and probably still walk among us with us not knowing. I will eventually release some of the locations of Lumeria in the Western part of the United States and give my reasoning why I think the Lumerians have ties to Mars and the Earth's Moon. This is my correct spelling I was given and not Lemuria. Rik Riley

Hi John,

Quick question - if there is a substantial atmosphere and large population on Mars and the Moon, how do we explain the large number of impact craters on their respective surfaces? Why doesn't the atmosphere stop asteroids as ours to a large extent manages? And how could any substantial permanent habitations survive on its surface?

Thanks

AB

Originally posted by johnlear
i]Originally posted by Fowl Play

In fact, the moon has at least 64% of the gravity of the earth and maybe more, has a breathable atmosphere and millions of people live up there.

Within the next few months I hope to have the time to assemble all of the facts to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that I am correct.

Sounds very promising Mr Lear, i look forward to seeing your facts. Im sure they are at least entertaining and informative as ever.
Regards.

Originally posted by johnlear
Originally posted by LazarusTheLong

What do you know of Government sponsored drug smuggling operations from south america and Mexico by various three lettered agencies?

As much as I know about the moon, Venus, Mars and Saturn with as much proof.

One would have to be pretty naive and/or ignorant to believe that the US doesn't control a major percent of the worlds drug trafficking. And always has. Google the Cutolo Papers. I was one of the first to get those after Cutolo was murdered. What do you think the Afghanistan War was about? The Taliban were burning down the poppy fields because the Kuran does not allow drug production and/use of any kind. They were destroying our product. The Taliban had to go. I think National Geographic did a story a year or so after we invaded Afghanistan and showed how the drug production and traffic increased by 25 or 30 times pre-war. Now you will hear another side of this story saying that the Taliban was hording the product in warehouses. My personal opinion is that they were not.

Mr Lear, that may be true, but when I was deployed over there, the taliban fighter would be high as hell on that stuff. Laughing his azz off shooting at us while we were filling him full of lead

Originally posted by clevengercm

Mr Lear, that may be true, but when I was deployed over there, the taliban fighter would be high as hell on that stuff. Laughing his azz off shooting at us while we were filling him full of lead

I think I see you point devengercm. Here you were, killing another human being, because he was trying to kill you, while he high as a kite with drugs grown and supplied by the very people that you were risking your life to help bring freedom and democracy to Afghanistan. Blues.

Did I get that right?

John, This brings up a good question. Since the group envolved which we know has it's roots here in this country controls a large portion of the drug trafficing throughout the world, how much money do your really think changes hands illegally per year?

How many politicians do you think line their pockets from such sells? Do you think part of the illegals crossing the Mexican border into the U.S. insured the flow of more drugs and more money for the individuals in power on this side of the border?

Do you think the individuals in power that control drugs own a portion of the privatized prison system? Are the minorities the target for the the sell of drugs to control them or do you think all segments of the country are the individuals in power customers?

Finally on the sell of drugs does this support secret mining operations on the
Moon or does the mining of H3 foot the bill or both? Rik Riley

How come when the CIA was implicated in the drug sales (crack) during the 80's, it went away? Why wasn't it pursued more aggressively?

It seems a shame, honestly. The system we have set up is really sad. Prisons are big money, especially when you get into the kickbacks. You have to keep a steady stream of criminals going in so that you can secure future kickbacks to congressmen and other officials.

So, we have this phony, failed war on drugs. We create diversions for the sake of creating diversions. I guess it is a strategy: keep the people occupied doing something other than creating revolution.

John,

In your infinite ( or so it sometimes seems) wisdom , may you kindly take the time to help me with my pondering?

Many threads on this site have dealt with how "aliens" want us to reach the next"level" in development ourselves, before we are ever able to be accepted into a "community" of planets/beings etc, making us beleive that these aliens are peaceful beings hoping that we overcome our differences ourselves.

Then on the flip side we read on other threads how aliens have been working with our governments for a sinister motive of their own, and have been offering technology to our governments in return for our governments to shut up or discredit anything relating to them, thus disclosure will not happen if they can help it.

Now, my personal paradox here is this - how are we to learn for ourselves and better ourselves when being corrupted by aliens themselves?

(I hope you get what Im trying to say here)

On one hand they want us to become a peaceful, higher intellectual being able to be accepted outside of this planet when at the same time, "they" (or other races of aliens) are corrupting governments around the world.

How are we supposed to get anywhere?

Why cant they just show themselves?

Im sure our technolgy to hide them is nothing compared to what they have if they truly wanted themselves to be seen by the public......im getting a headache now, think I'll have a drink.

Thank John, by the way

Hi John,

I'm interested in your thoughts on the thousands of impact craters on the lunar and mars surfaces (as illustrated on that terrific picture of the moon on a thread you commented on recently). How would any habitations cope with so many impacts all the time?

Also, how come there ARE so many if they've both got atmospheres?

Thanks, and all the best,

W

Originally posted by johnlear

......In fact, the moon has at least 64% of the gravity of the earth and maybe more, has a breathable atmosphere and millions of people live up there.

Within the next few months I hope to have the time to assemble all of the facts to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that I am correct.

John, do we have any satellites currently orbiting at the Earth-Moon L1 point??? If we do can't we just calculate signal transit time to and from the satellite (transmitted from earth) and then determine if the sat is actually where it should be if the moons gravitational center is where it's supposed to be???

I havn't done any digging on this yet but to me it seems like a good place to look for evidence of this gravitational off-set if it exists.

Guess I should clear this up though, do you put stock in Peter Andreas Hansen's theory of the off-center gravitational center for the moon?. Or do you believe the center of Lunar gravity to be at the center of the Lunar sphere where it should be?...

Thanks!!!



oh one more thing, If the moon had an off-set center of gravity shouldn't it's distance form the Earth oscillate as it rotated around that center of gravity (wobble)... of course unless it's a completely artificial mechanism



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That's not a bad idea, there, Cracker...

Thanks Weasel....


Also I was thinking if we don't have any stationary L1 sats, we could mine Lunar probe trajectories for significant hints at any "discrepancies" between projected and actual flight paths (assuming it isn't all "sanitized"...

Two that come to mind are Clementine (yes, i know Clem was a DOD probe) and the ESA's Lunar Express. Lunar express should be especially sensitive to any inconsistancies since it used the low-thrust (but highly reliable) ion engine and had to slowly spiral in to lunar orbit.

I'm very doubtful Lunar gravity varies from what's taught status-quo, but since I wasn't personally there it's just my opinion.

.... Perhaps an artificial field exists only close to the surface and doesn't impact orbiting objects??? (Trying to keep this afloat John!!! )

Originally posted by Stale Cracker

John, do we have any satellites currently orbiting at the Earth-Moon L1 point???

I believe that L1 is very crowded with all kinds of stations.

If we do can't we just calculate signal transit time to and from the satellite (transmitted from earth) and then determine if the sat is actually where it should be if the moons gravitational center is where it's supposed to be???

Probably. The problem would be in getting that signal to and from the station and measuring it accurately.

I havn't done any digging on this yet but to me it seems like a good place to look for evidence of this gravitational off-set if it exists.

Guess I should clear this up though, do you put stock in Peter Andreas Hansen's theory of the off-center gravitational center for the moon?. Or do you believe the center of Lunar gravity to be at the center of the Lunar sphere where it should be?...

I believe Hansen's theory was correct for this reason. Hansen was a very respected astronomer and methematician. He received awards which included the prize of the Berlin Academy for research into the perturbations of Jupiter and Saturn and was crowned by the Paris Academy in 1950 for his memoir on cometary disturbances.

His 1857 revision of Lunar Theory titled, "Fundamenta nova investiationis, &c" and the improved Tables of the Moon based on it were refined from his earlier publication of the Lunar Theory in 1938. In other words he didn't just show up one day and say, "Hey, lookee what found." Hansen was one of the, if not the leading mathematical astronomers on the Continent of his time.

For whatever reason, Rear Admiral Simon Newcomb, United States Navy, and head of the United States Naval Obsevatory went to Europe in 1870 to discredit Hansen and his theories. Newcomb offered no theories of his own, no mathematical counter arguments and about all he really had to say was the widespread acceptance of Hansen's account "seems to have been based rather on faith in its author than on any critical examination of its logical foundations." Newcomb was nothing more than a tactful bully appealing to academia based on his position as a Rear Admiral in the United States Navy rather than on facts and evidence. Kind of an early mister.old.school without the Rear Admiral credentials.

oh one more thing, If the moon had an off-set center of gravity shouldn't it's distance form the Earth oscillate as it rotated around that center of gravity (wobble)... of course unless it's a completely artificial mechanism

Thats probably why its distance from earth varies from 222,750 miles to 254,187 miles.

But the question you should really be asking is "If the moon really is that lobsided', how in the heck does it stay in one piece!"

Originally posted by LoneWeasel

Hi John,

I'm interested in your thoughts on the thousands of impact craters on the lunar and mars surfaces (as illustrated on that terrific picture of the moon on a thread you commented on recently). How would any habitations cope with so many impacts all the time?

Also, how come there ARE so many if they've both got atmospheres?

Thanks, and all the best,W

I have no explanation to the questions you've asked. Sorry.

Thanks for the info John.... I wasn't aware the moon was really that variable in apogee and perigee.

Relative apparent sizes of moon at perigee and apogee


Maybe some browsing astrophysicists can stop by and explain if Hansen's 59km gravitational center offset is compatible with the observed ellipsoidal lunar orbit.

Originally posted by johnlear
...But the question you should really be asking is "If the moon really is that lobsided', how in the heck does it stay in one piece!"

OK, I'll bite

how does it stay in one piece?... This smacks of Hoagland's artificial Iapetus...

Perhaps it's not as dense as suggested? And can sustain higher tidal stresses? Hollow? (.....paints bullseye on forehead)




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Don't know if anyone has seen this...
Link

A French space-surveillance radar has detected 20-30 satellites in low Earth orbit that do not figure in the U.S. Defense Department's published catalogue, a discovery that French officials say they will use to pressure U.S. authorities to stop publishing the whereabouts of French reconnaissance and military communications satellites.

I can't help thinking about the "weaponisation" of space and wether this is in fact already fact rather than fiction. Too much ties up here with the overall big picture I have been trying to unravel in my mind lately concerning Bush and Putins words over the "weaponisation" of space and from Dr. Carol Rosin's testimony at the 2001 Disclosure Event held at the National Press Club.
This is currently being covered here on this ATS Thread and is well worth the read and especially to hear her own words in the video that accompanies the ATS thread I have linked to.

I would appreciate your time in looking at this John and hearing your comments, and anyone else for that matter.
Thanks.

Originally posted by Stale Cracker

OK, I'll bite

how does it stay in one piece?... This smacks of Hoagland's artificial Iapetus...

Sounds like you're talking smack about my friend Richard, therefore: no comment.

Perhaps it's not as dense as suggested? And can sustain higher tidal stresses? Hollow? (.....paints bullseye on forehead)

Ready, aim, FIRE! Mission accomplished. Ignorance denied.