Questions for John Lear

John,
Thank you for the reply above......very interesting......

IVE GOT A QUESTION DAD *

IS THERE A WAY TO MEASURE AND/OR READ THE UNDERGROUND ACTIVITY FROM*** SAY N KOREAS ATOMIC WEAPON(S) TEST (SITE) TO THE HAWAIIAN ISLANDS**?**

We were talking flying as usual and as I brought up the topic of an amateur pilot flying a commercial airliner so-so feet from the ground at full speed to hit the pentagon he looked a little more skeptical than I am used to seeing.

He brought up the very real and very relevant point of ground proximity effect upon the plane and said he found it ''very difficult'' to believe that the plane could have followed the reported last few seconds of flight path.

He mentioned at such a high speed also the plane would have a tendency to ''spiral''( I forgot the term he used) uncontrollably at low altitude

BTW He was drunk because he had to perform his very first ''missed approach'' in his career AWWWWW!!!

Hello Agent T, I've had a few memorable missed approaches, all in weather. They keep the crew busy.

The chances of an amateur pilot flying the profile into the Pentagon are zero, nil. It just couldn't be done. First of all, as I mentioned in another thread, the control forces would be extremely heavy because the flaps are up (which limits the authority of the controls). Second of all to bring the airliner down to about a foot off of the ground and keep it there while impacting the Pentagon is not highly unlikely, its impossible. At that high speed (or any speed for the matter, but more at high speed) there is a huge amount of air passing under the wing. When this huge amount of air contacts the ground (called 'ground effect' and manifests itself at about one half the span of the wing or in this case about 70 or 80 feet) there is a huge buoying effect which tends to bounce the airplane up. In the profile I watched I saw not the slightest bounce or 'buoy'. The skill level required to keep an airliner traveling at 350 to 450 knots within 1 foot of the ground is phenomenal. It would be slightly easier to hit the Pentagon in a steep dive such that 'ground effect' would not play a role. But if that were the case, more of the empennage or tail assembly would have been thrown up and over the Pentagon on impact. As I have mentioned before, the only way that the WTC or Pentagon scenarios could have happened with a pilot at the controls (as opposed to remote control) would be to have trained the pilots in a Boeing 757/767 visual simulator. Base on my experience this would have taken about 300 to 500 hours. Training is given in 4 hour periods once a day. So 75 to 125 days training with one day off every 5 days of training. Thats a lot of simulator time each for 4 pilots. You certainly could not contract kind of time from an air carrier simply because they have their own pilots to train and keep current. Most of the middle east carriers operate Airbuses. Only Israel operates the Boeing 757/767 and would have a Boeing 757/767 simulator. But why would Israel want to train Arab terrorists how to crash into buildings with a 757/767?



hi Mr. Lear,

This one is very "amusing" to me, I said almost the same thing to my friends and here on ats I think only a few days ater the 911 but instead of the pentagon I was talking about the wtc planes.

I design and fly rc planes and I know something about planes in general and how they are flown, and the skills required to perform a trick like the one we saw at NY at 911.

My point is that an amateur pilot or even a pilot with moderate experience on single motor planes could not assume the control of an airliner and at the midle of a curve trajectory at more than 600km/h colide with a building 50meters wide. My idea is that this type of manouver would be difficult for an experienced pilot and impossible to an amateur.

At that time I also said that there were only two ways to do the trick, one is to remote controll the planes, other i´m not completely sure about but was the possibility to imput gps data into the autopilot of the planes and let them crash into the buildings...

Do you agree?

regards,

fred

Originally posted by johnlear
Originally posted by TruthMagnet

As it is I do not believe it is useful for this community to continue discussing your outrageous claims without further investigation.

So, TruthMagent lets see if I understand you correctly. It is not useful to discuss my outrageous claims without further discussion? Or is it 'Let's discuss this before we investigate it?" Or how about 'let's investigate whether or not the discussion is worth the investigation'? I am sure there is a truth in there somewheres. Maybe you can enlighten us on the investigation of the discussion? Will we be discussing the claims we are going to investigate if the investigation proves they are worth investigating? If so are we going to limit the investigation to the discussion of the investigation of the claims without discussing the claims themselves? If the discussion becomes too outrageous to investigate does that mean we will then discuss the outrageous discussion of the investigation. You talk about getting wrapped around an axle. Where in the heck do we stand on the investigation/discussion? Thanks.

John,

When I say I feel the admins or veteran researchers should look into your case deeper - before much more conversation is had - is because we need some real credibility at this site.

ATS - being an open (and open minded) forum for alternative research tends to attract an unending line of P.T Barnum's, childish hoaxers, and deluded culters who claim far too much attention and contribute to the watering down of the significant progress that has occured here in many fields (UFOlogy, Cryptozoology, etc.)

In the past, I have contacted admins here, and UFOlogists such as Stan Friedman, in an attempt to investigate seemingly legitimate whistleblowers such as Joseph Gutheinz - (who made explosive claims in UFO magazine about his experiences working at NASA)

While I have had limited success with some of my past investigations - I feel confident that your openess and regular participation on this board should help veteran UFOlogists at ATS research your evidence, and interview you directly, in an attempt to establish a higher level of credibilty in your story and claims.

I am deeply convicted that we must redouble our efforts to seperate the "wheat from the chaff" when it comes to supposed leaks or insiders reported in this community - especially when the current governments of the world are redoubling their efforts to maintain excessive secrecy in the name of fighting "terror".

Therefore I again appeal to the moderators of this board to further their investigations of you in an effort to deflect another "Serpo" hoax or David Icke like cult of personality.

I will also contact Freidman and make him aware of your current participation on this board - and challenge him to do further investigation into your claims as well - as he has done a very good job of exposing dubious whistleblowers in the past.

I would suggest that any steps you might take to block such investigations would be a rather naked admission of guilt on your part.

So far you seem to have a good relationship with this community of ametuer researchers, and if you are telling the truth, I hope that this will be maintained over the next several years as we continue to grow in size and resources.

Originally posted by TruthMagnet

I am deeply convicted that we must redouble our efforts to seperate the "wheat from the chaff" when it comes to supposed leaks or insiders reported in this community - especially when the current governments of the world are redoubling their efforts to maintain excessive secrecy in the name of fighting "terror".

Therefore I again appeal to the moderators of this board to further their investigations of you in an effort to deflect another "Serpo" hoax or David Icke like cult of personality.

I will also contact Freidman and make him aware of your current participation on this board - and challenge him to do further investigation into your claims as well - as he has done a very good job of exposing dubious whistleblowers in the past.

I would suggest that any steps you might take to block such investigations would be a rather naked admission of guilt on your part.

Please let me know how I can help you in your investigations. I would be happy to give you my phone number (although it has been listed for over 30 years in the Las Vegas phonebook and has never been taken out). I have known Stan for years as I have known most of the other researchers, so don't hesitate to contact any of them. Please feel free to contact the FAA or their website for proof of my flying credentials and my former employers such as American Trans Air and Connie Kalitta I am sure would be willing to talk to you. I would offer a specific name to contact but then you might think I was cheating. I have already posted my Q clearance number (which is technically illegal) so I won't post it again but you can find it without too much trouble. The new Air America Association September 2006 directory was just mailed out so you can check that. And again, please let me know if there is anyway I can help in your investigation. Thanks.

Originally posted by johnlear
Please let me know how I can help you in your investigations. I would be happy to give you my phone number (although it has been listed for over 30 years in the Las Vegas phonebook and has never been taken out). I have known Stan for years as I have known most of the other researchers, so don't hesitate to contact any of them. Please feel free to contact the FAA or their website for proof of my flying credentials and my former employers such as American Trans Air and Connie Kalitta I am sure would be willing to talk to you. I would offer a specific name to contact but then you might think I was cheating. I have already posted my Q clearance number (which is technically illegal) so I won't post it again but you can find it without too much trouble. The new Air America Association September 2006 directory was just mailed out so you can check that. And again, please let me know if there is anyway I can help in your investigation. Thanks.

prove it.

HAHAHA!!!

sorry. i think i love you.

okay, and 'cause this is 'questions for john lear'...

does evil exist?

John,

Could you please have a look at my questions on the previous page if you get the time, I'd really like to hear your views.
Thanks a lot.

Originally posted by pmexplorer

The greys, what is their lifespan? is it also like a humans? e.g they live for
one hundred years maximum etc.

I heard it was 200 years. Sleeper?

On earth we have so many different races, white/black, american,indian,african,european etc etc.
Are you aware if there are such races within races with the greys?

I don't think so. The little grays are glorified robots, that is to say they are made and have a mission. They are robots in the sense they do their masters will but by technology that is beyond our comprehension. Sleeper?

And on a totally seperate matter:
Ive read your opinions on the Pentagon crash and how you thoroughly believe the manouevres thought to have occurred according to the official report were almost impossible, which I concur with,however I'd like to ask you your opinion on what you believe happened to AA Flight 77and its passengers if it did not hit the Pentagon?

My opinion is that 4 airplanes are missing. The 2 that hit the WTC were not the ones that took off that morning. The ones that hit the WTC were 767's that were configured with remote controls (if they weren't holograms).

The Shanksville 757 and the Pentagon 757 are not accounted for yet. One certainly did not crash into the Pentagon. The other certainly was not in that little itty bitty smoking hole in Shanksville.

Where are all 4? Probably in some black ops inventory somewhere.

Very interesting.
Thank you very much John.

Originally posted by johnlear
My opinion is that 4 airplanes are missing. The 2 that hit the WTC were not the ones that took off that morning. The ones that hit the WTC were 767's that were configured with remote controls (if they weren't holograms).

The Shanksville 757 and the Pentagon 757 are not accounted for yet. One certainly did not crash into the Pentagon. The other certainly was not in that little itty bitty smoking hole in Shanksville.

Where are all 4? Probably in some black ops inventory somewhere.

John,
any guess as to what happened to the people on those planes ?? did they get sent to Dulce to be stock in a stew ?? any thoughts ??







[edit on 17-10-2006 by Alpha Grey]

Originally posted by Alpha Grey

John, any guess as to what happened to the people on those planes ?? did they get sent to Dulce to be stock in a stew ??

any thoughts ??

I haven't the slightest idea what happened to the people. Yes, they could be alien stew. Maybe they are working in slave labor camps on Copernicus. Maybe each one had a deal with the government to disappear for reasons none of us know. Maybe during the 6 years of planning the 911 operation the government assembled 2 or 3 hundred people that had good reasons to disappear, family problems, money problems, addictions whatever. And in return for the resolution of their problem they agreed to disappear. 300 of them? Thats not hard to believe. Whats hard to believe is that some people honestly believe that a Boeing 757 could disappear, lock, stock, barrel, tail, aft fuselage, forward fuselage, centersection, cockpit, wings, baggage and passengers, into the itty bitty red ball of fire at the Pentagon. Thats whats hard to believe.

Originally posted by johnlear
Originally posted by pmexplorer

The greys, what is their lifespan? is it also like a humans? e.g they live for
one hundred years maximum etc.

The grays whether they are biological machine or inhabited by a soul live forever, like humans do---we and they only change shape and place of residence. We die to do that---they don't they change at will.

Souls inside a gray uniform---body, usually are only in uniform when visiting or are around humans.

On earth we have so many different races, white/black, american,indian,african,european etc etc.
Are you aware if there are such races within races with the greys?

Grays are more diverse than the few human races we have here on earth. However, when they are suited up in the gray uniform they all look alike, gray souls are not cookie-cutter, they are individuals and made up of thousands of different races from around the galaxy.

Originally posted by sleeper

Originally posted by pmexplorer

The greys, what is their lifespan? is it also like a humans? e.g they live for
one hundred years maximum etc.

The grays whether they are biological machine or inhabited by a soul live forever, like humans do---we and they only change shape and place of residence. We die to do that---they don't they change at will.

Souls inside a gray uniform---body, usually are only in uniform when visiting or are around humans.

On earth we have so many different races, white/black, american,indian,african,european etc etc.
Are you aware if there are such races within races with the greys?

Grays are more diverse than the few human races we have here on earth. However, when they are suited up in the gray uniform they all look alike, gray souls are not cookie-cutter, they are individuals and made up of thousands of different races from around the galaxy.





Thanks for taking the time to explain this sleeper it is very much appreciated.

Thanks John and Sleeper.
This has been a most informative thread to date.
Keep up the good work guys, theres lots of us here to learn more.

Originally posted by MrPenny
Extremely dense gas. Think how water gasifies to steam. The opposite occurs with the temperatures and pressures encountered in the Jovian gas giants. Much of the gas ranges from liquid to solid form. This photo is not real!!! But it illustrates the difference in size well.

This quote from the wikipedia entry for Jupiter;

Jupiter is composed of a relatively small rocky core, surrounded by metallic hydrogen, surrounded by liquid hydrogen, which is surrounded by gaseous hydrogen. There is no clear boundary or surface between these different phases of hydrogen; the conditions blend smoothly from gas to liquid as one descends.

317.83 x the mass of Earth isn't far-fetched at all, even considering the planet's composition. "Gas giant" is kind of misleading....Gas giants aren't simply 'balloons' orbiting through the solar system.

[edit on 14-7-2006 by MrPenny]

I do not like to get off topic here but I thought I would throw this question out there to all that question whether or not the "gas giants" could truly be populated or not.

Just for thought. Why do you think they are "gas giants" or layered as stated above? From what source did this come from? Science? NASA? Okay, if that is true then how did they come by the information? For all I can find this has been the theory on these planets for quite some time. Well before our first supposed moon landing. Well before our first satellite sent out to orbit them. Where did it come from? A telescope? So, in essence, we are supposed to believe that they are gas giants simpy because someone (who has supposedly NEVER actually been to them) says so? Just trying to make you think a bit more on this before coming back with sarcastic questions regarding John's statements on the 'gas giants'.

I just want to thank John for the time that he is taking to actually sit down, read all of the questions posed to him, and then write out his replies. We all know how much time that takes. LOL These sites can be very addictive.

One of the better threads out there and I'm glad I came across it.

Originally posted by SourGrapes
Mr. Lear,

Have you seen the movie, "Contact" with Jodie Foster? I've been a 'debunker' as long as I can remember, and I was just amazed by the realism of the alien contact. It all seemed so 'real'.

Given your knowledge, and opinions, of E.T. and 'the afterlife'; would you say the movie holds credence to what is 'out there'?

Skepticism is good in most cases. It helps to protect the mind from things that it is not ready for. Being a debunker is healthy in a way because it keeps you well grounded in what you were brought up to 'believe'. "Use your common sense" in other words. However, here are a few good questions for you in regards to this particular movie/book.

First, who wrote it? Carl Sagan. Who was he? One of the BIGGEST debunkers of our time. He was a great mind that was absolutely blown away when he was brought into some meetings with some particular 'non-terrain' individuals.

Where did he get the idea for the book? Well, if you do a little digging on this subject you will find that his 'meetings' with the 'non-terrains' and what their message was completely influenced his decision to write the book.

You will find a few more instances like this with some famous movies. Where did Spielberg get his idea for Encounters? He has even gone on record stating that he did not base it on science fiction but more on science fact.

So, Contact came from the mind of one of the greatest 'non-believers' out there. Isn't that a neat coincidence?

John,

I was doing some digging around and i came across some people that i was wondering if i could get your thoughts/opinions on:

1.Donald Ware Lt.Col USAF

2.Capt. Bill Robertson and his analysis of the Science Report: Alernative 3 video that came out in 1977. His analysis was in a 1990 UFO lecture. (Actually, your thoughts on scientology would be welcome here also since he was a scientologist)

Also, have you ever directly spoken with any astronauts that have been to the moon? Any discussions about towers?

Thank you for your time.

Originally posted by SearchEngine

John,

I was doing some digging around and i came across some people that i was wondering if i could get your thoughts/opinions on:

1.Donald Ware Lt.Col USAF

Very nice gentlemen. See him all the conferences.

2.Capt. Bill Robertson and his analysis of the Science Report: Alernative 3 video that came out in 1977. His analysis was in a 1990 UFO lecture.

Don't remember seeing this one.

(Actually, your thoughts on scientology would be welcome here also since he was a scientologist)

Got my e-meter, worked on my engrams but couldn't afford the program, I was flying for a living.

Also, have you ever directly spoken with any astronauts that have been to the moon? Any discussions about towers?

I met Buzz Aldrin once at the 2001 Aviation Week and Space Techonology Awards banquet at the Air & Space Museum. I accepted the Millienium award for my father. Here is a picture of me and Buzz:



As far as any discussions about anything unusual I wouldn't insult them by asking. They took an oath of allegiance to our country, the United States of America. If they saw anything unusual, whatever it was obviously falls within the bounds of national security as they haven't mentioned it. As a matter of fact Neil hasn't mentioned anything much for 36 years. The Apollo astronauts were bonafide American heroes as all astronauts are. But the Apollo astronauts were special. They flew a rocket to the moon during a time when it was probably easier to get there. Whatever you think about the Apollo crews, know this: they know. Respect them. Honor them. You would have done the same.

Originally posted by johnlear
Gen. Bond was murdered to help him keep his mouth shut about Mossads’ infiltration of the Pentagon, all Armed Forces Services, and the entire Military Industrial Complex.

This suggests that Israel controls outright the USA... (which I believe), if so then this is the crime of the century?

How many people know about this and is anybody doing anything about it?

Originally posted by denythestatusquo

This suggests that Israel controls outright the USA... (which I believe), if so then this is the crime of the century?

Samo, samo. Happens all throughout history.

How many people know about this and is anybody doing anything about it?

No, sorry, we're watching Amazing Race. Thanks anyway.