Aliens. No Proof Required.

Okay, here's the real answer. Ready? The "aliens" are interested and working hard for our advancement, because the ultimate goal of the aliens is to incorporate every particle of matter in the universe into a single, living construct. Just like each tiny little cell in our bodies incorporates matter and energy into itself, and has a consciousness which becomes us on a larger level, so do we as individual beings reach out and transform dead matter and energy into living matter. The goal of all living beings in the universe is to incorporate everything into life. At that point, we create and become God, which moves backwards and forwards through time to create itself and the universe.

Simple, huh? That's the whole motivation. It's not easy to take disorganized matter and energy and transform it into something that lives. But it has to be done if we ever expect to exist in both the past, present and future. The only really huge difference between the Aliens and us is that we normally don't have an awareness of the enormity of the process, and we still primarily exist as separate conscious entities, with no sense of connection with all of the other life in the universe. Until we develop that ability (which, unfortunately, can't be given, only nurtured), we're stuck on Earth in the dark, a piece of the Grand Plan waiting to be incorporated into God.

There you go.

This sounds like a process without end with the goal being impossible to achieve. Are you saying that the purpose is to live in the past, present and future as one super entity? (God) If this was ever achieved (but it seems an infinite proposition), you say the purpose of that is to create itself and the universe.

Seems like the goal won't ever be achieved. If so, life itself is futile on all levels.

Im going into micro mode for a second, I truly believe the encoding is from the creator, not to be confused with god(s) (for me that is), its part of our evolution.
I don't think "they" now can do what they please, cause i truly believe some of the cabalistic Gov's on earth have developped a technology to scare of The ET's that are for disclosure.. of course with the help from the one's that the secret societies woship.
It's a truly an ancient story that is coming to light everyday that goes by.

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by Enkidu

Thats a very good point. Just look at the sitution here on earth, when aliens[read immigrants] come to this country. Many countries in the world have different ideology and habits. Most people have difficulty even understanding those diversities. Most of our human wars and squabbles are because we don't understand the other guy...
So how can anyone say we understand what the aliens[ET this time] could possibly think or want

Not everyone would start a war or disagreement because the other guy was different therefore some people would be capable of understanding. Maybe these are the guys that ET is talking to and if this statement is correct (and largely it is), I can see why it is the way some people claiming it is....albeit with no proof.

Originally posted by Proteperhaps many of the members posting here are confused as to what it is exactly they are looking to achieve by hanging out here.

Nah no confusion there. People come in here to battle, errrr debate... with opposing views because the human spirit has a need to know, and an even bigger need to share what he/she knows with others. Its a safe place, because we have anoniminity[sp?] No one is going to lock us up for our views, [well.....never mind]

No matter how angry one gets there are no real fist flying and at the worst the mod pushes the button on you. I would seriously doubt that anyone has ever been really "converted" in here. Most seek like minded views and beleve those, discard the opposers. I suppose some people that have as yet no opinion may be swayed but I would need PROOF of that

What better way to get your idea around the world than in a place like this? And if anyone here had absolute proof of anything, they would most likely call CNN first.


Of course I could be totally wrong.... everyone in here just has way to much time on there hands and has a pathological need to tread on the opponent

Originally posted by incunabula the one's that the secret societies woship.

Ummm could you specify? Which secret society worships which God? There are a lot of secret societies.

BTW have you ever joined one? Just curious..

Originally posted by Prote
This sounds like a process without end with the goal being impossible to achieve.

Why? The Universe only has a finite amount of matter/energy in it. Some of it is incorporated into living things, like us. Most of it is not. I didn't say it was an easy or quick process. Like nuclear fission, it may get easier as time goes along. But I wouldn't say "impossible." In fact, proof that it can be done is that the universe exists in the present. Had we not eventually been able to incorporate everything into God in the future, God wouldn't have been available to create the Universe from virtuality in the past.

Heh.

[edit on 10-7-2006 by Enkidu]

Honestly its hard to say at the moment, its truly for the Illuminatus (the enlightened ones) all i truly know is that there are ancient stories that were studied by these supposed enlightened ones, for eg. The story of ENKI and ENlil from the mesopotimian wars etc.. they tell of different civilizations living here on earth...that were of the Extra-terrestrial faction...cuneiform,hyeroglyphs and symbology like the main three Triangle,logarithmic spiral,Vesica piscis those symbols are found today all over the place, the dolar bill, mastercard....etc. so different societies that make the illuminatus worship different factions of ET.

Originally posted by Enkidu
Why? The Universe only has a finite amount of matter/energy in it.

How did you draw this conclusion. I imagine that the universe is infinite. As the title says, I don't need proof of how you know this but Im interested. If an Alien told you, ok, that will do but what makes you think its finite.

If everything became God eventually and the goal was achieved....then what? Would the universe consist only of one huge entity and nothing else? Or does God create another or more universes to simply grow? If so, to what end?

Originally posted by incunabula its truly for the Illuminatus (the enlightened ones)

Ah now here is a good one...

Has it not occured to you that we as humans strive continuously to seek enlightenment so that we may become as such? We were given the capacity to learn, we have the ability to question our very maker, whether that be God, or just the nature of life and the universe.

It may take many lifetimes, but hey who ever said this was going to be easy? This isn't a prison its merely kindergarten. The earth is a young planet around a very young star on the rim of a pretty non descript galaxy... don't buy that? Just look at the universe through the Hubble Telescope.

We are just crawling out of the mud compared to that, just taking our first baby steps on that long ladder to enlightenment. That's why all the strife and confusion down here. And enlightenment has infinite numbers of paths... no one is right for everyone... its individual, its between you and your soul

I for one would like to see some of this before the grave gives me the final truth when all religion, all mankinds hopes and dreams, all the squabbles mean nothing.

Just you and your soul meeting your destiny

Originally posted by Prote

Originally posted by Enkidu
Why? The Universe only has a finite amount of matter/energy in it.

How did you draw this conclusion. I imagine that the universe is infinite. As the title says, I don't need proof of how you know this but Im interested.

Because of the apparent expansion of the universe. If the universe was infinite, then there wouldn't be a continued expansion, because it would already occupy infinity.

If everything became God eventually and the goal was achieved....then what? Would the universe consist only of one huge entity and nothing else? Or does God create another or more universes to simply grow? If so, to what end?

There is no end, or purpose, other than to continue. The end is the beginning, and the beginning is the end. If you're looking for purpose, you can't look at the overall picture, but only at the incremental acts. The purpose is the experience, not the outcome.

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Originally posted by Prote

Lets assume for a moment, that Earth is a prison planet ...

You didn't happen to read THE GODS OF EDEN by William Bramley?

What I've read so far touches upon some of the questions you posed. Fascinating stuff.

Originally posted by EnkiduThe purpose is the experience, not the outcome.

Ah The Toad hath reached the next level of enlightenment!


Oh yeah thats a one liner..... ummm

Okay now everyone turn off your computer and go experience life. Its out there, not in here.Ans you most certainly won't meet an Alien hiding in here

BTW "toad" is used the same way as "grasshopper" if you catch my drift

Haven't read the rest of this thread yet, but I thought I'd chip in with my perspective.

Q1. What I don't understand, if I assume this theory to work, is why have us advance into space at all? Why have us advance at all? Why not just keep us at a certain level, wouldn't it just be easier? It seems that they are complicating things for themselves.

Because there is more than one race with interests in this planet. Some, such as the Reptilians, want us enslaved. Others want us to be free and to advance and prosper. It's not a cut-and-dried thing.

Q2. Lets assume that religion WAS indeed an alien invention and always was part of the process. Why is this so recent in comparison with the age of the planet or our current understanding of how long sapiens have walked the planet?

Because humanity has been created and destroyed several times over (apparently). Religion has probably been a crutch tool for humanity every time a coconut, because of all the disruption and our inability to explain these events.

Q3. It would appear that another opinion/theory is that mankind can't handle disclosure so it is done gradually. I also understand the theory of the economic impact. If so, why didn't they disclose from the beginning or when we were more primitive, surely it would be far more easy for us to adjust. Secondly to that, doesnt disclosure at all upset the whole purpose of the planet in the first place. I don't understand why some of these things are necessary.

There is evidence they not only 'showed themselves' throughout periods of our human history, but actually ruled over us.. like they were like Gods to us. It could happen again, who knows! Though I'm not sure what you mean by 'purpose of the planet' - is there a purpose to this planet? Perhaps we don't have a purpose after all? Our purpose is just.. to live and exist? Same with 'them'?

Originally posted by Enkidu
But there is one thing that I can comment about, even from my position. IF there were aliens (and I have experienced nothing for me to conclude that they do), then I really doubt that they would have anything even remotely resembling human motivations and reasoning. When most people talk about aliens, they are almost always conceptualized as beings like us, but just a little different. So they have all the negative and positive aspects of human beings, like greed and cruelty or kindness and love, just in a different package. IF there are aliens, I think that they would be so alien as to be essentially incomprehensible. Alien. Really alien. And we would have practically no way to communicate with them or understand them or vice-versa.

I think that's where all the alien talk falls short. Nobody thinks alien enough.

I've often thought about this. How could we puny humans even comprehend the plans of an alien civilization that is thousands if not millions of years ahead of us? Don't we humans think on a completely different level than chimpanzees -- couldn't the disparity between the cognitive abilities of humans and aliens be just as great? And I honestly don't think alien visitors would have any reason to explain to us what they are doing, or to make an attempt at disclosure.

Enkidu, I have a question for you. If you are such a skeptic, what are you doing on an "Aliens & UFOs" message board? I understand skepticism, but hard evidence is not something you are going to find in the ufo field, let alone on an internet message board. As someone else said, any substantial evidence would likely appear on a major news network rather than here. If you automatically discredit witness testimony that lacks hard evidence, then you pretty much rule out every famous UFO case of the 20th century.

Originally posted by RiotComing Some, such as the Reptilians, want us enslaved.

Now that makes very little sense... If they were superior to us and visiting the planet for the purpose of making us slaves, why haven't they? What they want to wait till we develop more weapons? Why not just do it know?

one minor question here,
who really cares?

go listen to "pinkfloyd - wish you were here" and read the lyrics along with the song,
never trade one existance for a lesser one.

this planet has enough of it's own problems, there is no need to worry about "theoretical" problems in the next life or on the dark side of the moon

Originally posted by wondernut
one minor question here,
who really cares?

ummmm WE DO

There are many threads in here about the tuned out generation and what computers are doing to the American intellect...

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by wondernut
one minor question here,
who really cares?

ummmm WE DO

There are many threads in here about the tuned out generation and what computers are doing to the American intellect...

what i was trying to get at there was this,
we are to infinitely small to do anything about it so why bother wasting time on the subject at all?
time consumes all things so why waste it on pondering the legacy of others when we should spend it wisely on our own legacy?
it is completely trivial to waste time thinking about the afterlife, aliens, and the age of the universe in general.
go out and live your life, be good to the people you meet, laugh, cry, belittle the youth of today the way your forefathers belittled you.

don't bother wasting your life by thinking about the next one, the're will be plenty of time to think about the next life WHEN WE'RE IN the next life

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by RiotComing Some, such as the Reptilians, want us enslaved.

Now that makes very little sense... If they were superior to us and visiting the planet for the purpose of making us slaves, why haven't they?

We already are their slaves. We are all "working for the man". "The man" is working for the Illuminati. The Illuminati bloodline is Reptilian. It's quite simple really.

Originally posted by RiotComing
We already are their slaves. We are all "working for the man". "The man" is working for the Illuminati. The Illuminati bloodline is Reptilian. It's quite simple really.

How do we get out of it? For me I have a hard time wondering and identifing which alien group wants to help us and which alien group wants to keep us enslaved. I wish we had more information. I hate it that the general population has no access to the information on the aliens.