Solutions 101, Lets just fix it once and for all! The Israeli/Arab Conflict.

Originally posted by Shane
And Pieman, Funny

What about the Terrorists on the Other side??? Do they become accountable and should they face similiar fates?

I think they have suffered enough as it is. Should they be punished even more then what they have already been through? If they keep the guilty parties in jail and of course no future crimes are committed, I would see no point in any further arrests.

Pie

posted by ThePieMaN

posted by Shane

And Pieman, Funny . . What about the Terrorists on the Other side? Do they become accountable and should they face similar fates?

I think they have suffered enough. Should they be punished more then what they have already been through? If they keep the guilty parties in jail and no future crimes are committed, I would see no point in any further arrests. Pie [Edited by Don W]

Suppose we offered a General Amnesty to everyone who would turn in his weapons, give us his DNA, allow an RFID implant, consent to periodic polygraph testing and to snifter type explosive residue testing, and take an oath on whatever god or gods or no gods, whichever he most relies on, to Keep the Peace in All Cases Whatsoever. The Amnesty would be open for 90 days. The person must list all the crimes for which he seeks amnesty. Any non-listed crime is not covered.

We stamp out 1 oz 90/10 gold/silver coins marked Amnesty 2006, 2007, etc. We give him one Amnesty coin for each working weapon he turns in and or one bomb making quantity of materials surrendered. Then, each month following, for the next 48 months, we give him another gold coin provided he has not engaged in any act of violence nor has acquired new weapons or explosive materials. After 4 years in the Amnesty program, he gets a bonus of 100 coins! For “turning” in any fellow terrorist who does not come into the Amnesty program, he gets 50 coins!

I’ve seen estimates that the Iraq insurgency numbers no more than 30,000. Grant for me that the remaining “terrorists” - guys we don’t like - patriots are guys we do like - number about 20,000, so we’re talking about 50,000 mean spirited guys in the Middle East. With gold at $800 an ounce, that totals $40 million a month or a half billion a year. We are currently spending $6 billion a month in Iraq and Afghan. Do the numbers. Use our brains.

PS. Sure, there will be non-terrorists who want to come in and get on the payroll. OK, so we limit the number to double our estimate of 50,000, we allow 100,000 to collect. There are ways to learn who are and who are not terrorists, but the important thing is to get as many off the street and into productive living as possible. If an Iraqi is making $100 a month today - as I’ve heard is the average wage - then a guy with $800 a month can make a better life for himself and thereby bring along others into a peaceful way of living. Hmm? Foreign aid on the personal level. What a novel idea!



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Originally posted by ThePieMaN
If they keep the guilty parties in jail and of course no future crimes are committed, I would see no point in any further arrests.

Pie

Maybe I Mispoke/Mistyped. SORRY

What about the Terrorist on the otherside, that are running the Caged Pen territories? Currently free, never caught, and sitting in Political Office.

Hey, and Don.

Now your moving to the Future, and this is a good example of creative thinking.

The Benefit of mobility, and the aspect of employment would be nice to squeeze in there as well.

But it still leaves, one country/state that is devided?

Would 120 Square miles of land (North or south of the Westbank) be a trade off for Gaza?

Hmmmm

But you see, things are being presented here, and in defense of this post, the intolerance that overflows in similiar related topics has been quite absent. Keep it up!

Ciao

Shane

personally believe that the situation would stop if america and israel wanted it stopped. but for whatever purpose they are using all this just to make the arabs worse and hate israel more.

israel and america are doing a stretegy that they want there to be no arab country that is not under there control and therefore supporting the arabs. this is why the americans are in the mideast. they are doing israels job for them, and america will probably take over all those arab socalled rough states so the arabs have no support from any government.

looks a bleak future for the arabs because the israeli's will probably end up controling all those arab countries, either by proxy or in front of peoples eyes. the only arab country that could do anything is iran, and nobody knows how far they will go, and there backing from russia.

so you can talk all you want about doing this and that, but america has the view of westernising the arab countries and taken them all over. that is the only way they see this thing can be fixed. just imagine all arab culture thrown out the window, and replaced by mcdonalds and sh*t tv.

this stuff will take a long time and will need alot of conditioning, but the israelis will control the arab world one day, and you have to feel sorry for the arabs that there culture, like in so many other countries will be slowly eroded.

so this is what they are doing and time will only tell, if it will work out soon, or will go on another 50 - 100 years or so.

posted by Shane

Hey, and Don.

Now you are moving to the Future, and this is a good example of creative thinking. The Benefit of mobility, and the aspect of employment would be nice to squeeze in there as well.

Right. But wait. My idea of amnesty applies to all of the Middle East. Not just Iraq. As do the numbers quoted. It would have special appeal in the Occupied Territories of Israel. Any young Palestinian with a certain $800 a month income for 48 months and a bonus of $80,000, would really be able to do something for his people that would have the potential of outlasting his own lifespan. Top down employment schemes have a way of going astray. Let’s try bottom up for a change.

But it still leaves, one country that is divided? Would 120 square miles of land (North or south of the Westbank) be a trade off for Gaza? Ciao
Shane [Edited by Don W]

Yes, but if there is a real option for the Palestinians, and if they take it, then the Israelis would not feel so much under serge, surrounded by a 100 million antagonistic - say even atavistic - people.

Although I disagree with the choices Israel has made since Rabin’s death, it is a desperate people who feel impelled to make desperate choices. For that, the Israelis are no more to blame than other people. Just look at the US in 2004?



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Originally posted by andy1033
this stuff will take a long time and will need alot of conditioning, but the israelis will control the arab world one day, and you have to feel sorry for the arabs that there culture, like in so many other countries will be slowly eroded.

so this is what they are doing and time will only tell, if it will work out soon, or will go on another 50 - 100 years or so.

Those points made, reflect a situation of the Past, and are understood.

As for this balance Andy.

I honestly believe, this will be resolved, thru a Forced Acceptance Policy, that none will argue against, for the sole reason of Peace and Security. And I believe a span of three or four years, would be excessively long.

That is going to happen. What is being offered here, is something we, as Humanity, can do to first expedite the matter a little quicker, and take the glory from the ONE who is going to enact this policy. The ONE all will bow to.

Whether the groundwork laid out in Oslo, Madrid and the U.S. talks are followed, or completely alternative arrangements are made, is a wait and see thing at this "historical" pace, but the end of this is at our doorsteps.

And what of those who do not follow that plan?.

And we think Gitmo, is a bad place. There are Hundreds of Gitmos around the globe, awaiting non-compliant types. So much for Freedom.

But nice to see your comments Andy. A Question

What would YOU do?

Ciao

Shane

posted by andy1033

I believe the situation would stop if America and Israel wanted it stopped . . for whatever purpose they are using all this to make the Arabs hate Israel more. [Edited by Don W]

Right on, A10. Look back at the Hamas election if you have any doubt about your assertion. Despite all the bad mouthing of Arafat, America continued to send him money. Without conscious collaboration, he was doing our bidding. Hamas would not. Period.

It looks bleak for Arabs because the Israeli's will probably end up controlling those Arab countries, either by proxy or in front of peoples eyes. The only Arab country that could do anything is Iran, and nobody knows how far they will go, and there backing from Russia.

Right, A10. But keep in mind Iran is Persian, not Arab, but it is Muslim, the largest Shia controlled country.

America has the view of westernizing the Arab countries and taking them over. That is the only way they see this thing can be fixed. just imagine all Arab culture thrown out the window, and replaced by McDonald’s and sh*t tv.

Hey, A10, you’re really talking Karl Marx versus capitalism American style. Any self-respecting government anywhere in the world is seizing the natural resources within that country and using the proceeds for the improvement of the people. We call that socialism and it is anathema to American style capitalism. This is why the Brits are with us in this one. Despite being Labor Party. And Venezuela, Bolivia, Peru, Ecuador and Chile are voting against us. Mexico came in a hair of doing the same thing. Maybe next time.

Israel will not likely ever be in “control” of any Arab country. First, there are only 6 million Israelis, and 200 million Arabs. Demographics tend to be against that outcome.

And therein lies the roots of al Qaeda. The US and other capitalist Western countries have imposed and supported depots around the Middle East since the late 19th century. To get the oil. Fewer than 1% of the Arabs control those nations. Egypt. Lybia. Morocco. Tunisia. Sudan. Algeria. Syria. Jordan. Persian gulf emirates. Kuwait. Saudi Arabia. And Iraq.

Lebanon is its own thing. It’s miseries lie in the 1/3rd Catholic population being imposed over the 2/3rds Muslim population by France. Part of the post War 1 dissolution of the Ottomans. (Say hello French Indo China.) We don’t talk much about religion in America. That’s good. That’s also mostly due to the fact the Catholic Church never dominated America. Everywhere the Catholic Church has dominated, there is or has been trouble. Endless trouble. So America owes a great big “Thank you, King Henry viii!” Much of Europe is just now getting “free” of the Catholic Curia. Europeans are not irreligious, just anti-Roman hierarchy. Poland and Slovakia excepted.


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