!all who are for the war!

and SEMPER,,

i forgot to ask you.

WHAT EXACTLY IS THIS COUNTRY TRYING TO DO????????

STEAL OIL?, PISS OFF MORE COUNTRIES? , POPULATION CONTROL??

wipe out arabs??,, DISPOSE OF the lower class (recruits)??

test NEW WEAPONS ?? , PROPERLY DISPOSE old weapons??,

CAUSE CIVIL WAR??, make MORE TERRORISTS??,,

REMOVE LIBERTIES??, INCREASE PRICES?? ,, make the rich RICHER,,??

ALL OF THE ABOVE, ?? what???

what are they trying to do????

DO YOU EVEN KNOW ????

this whole war was to liberate iraqi's ???? YEAH ,RIGHT!!!

to destroy the taleban, which the usa CREATED AND SUPPORTED for some 10+ years
(better be careful, they created you too semper!!!)

PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME!!!!!!




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I think you already missed the bandwagon back in 01.

i'm FOR THE WAR, but only as a byproduct of my support of massive numbers of deaths that don't involve me or my friends.

Originally posted by fritz
Shame on you 'semperfortis', shame on you.

I am totally against this war and this administration, but I just want to say that this is uncalled for. Yes, you have a right to say it and I'm not all furious about it, but semper has served his country and should not be 'shamed' for his opinion any more than you or I should.

I'm thankful and grateful to semper.

I know this is a rant, but I hope we can keep from losing all perspective and have some respect for those who have served this country proudly and honorably.

yeah right -

you need a reality check, boy. the world is governed and ruled by people with imaginary power, and has been for millenia. religion, politics, and money - charisma, luck and skill (as well as ruthlessness) are what makes a leader of men these days, and if you think you, i, or we as a collective can escape that without a massive upheaval costing millions of lives, then you're delusional and need to be put away. the world is the way it is for a reason. people are lazy, indecisive, and brutal. we, as a whole (not necessarily on individual levels) need to be told what to do, what direction we're going in. without a leader, group decisions would never be made, and without a way to choose a leader, a group of people would lose its identity in the masses. Bush, even though he's a massive stain on the human race either because of his idiocy or his contempt for the integrity of humanity, is the leader of my country. i have the right to disagree with him, i have the right to disobey him, i have the right to do anything i want. the thing is, without the position he holds, our nation would simply fall apart.

chastising troops because they take orders from people who don't and/or won't do the things they're being ordfered to do is equivalent to chastising a garbage man because he takes his orders from the mayor. your argument is flawed. do you have a job? coz you're taking orders from someone who isn't going to do what you've been told to do. you're a hypocrite.

furthermore - how dare you attack the men and women who are putting their lives on the line for a cause - even if it's not the one you or i or even they believe in - while you sit comfortably at home with a 'body massager' lodged firmly in a place it was never intended to go? you've got some gall, boy.

Man!!!
I don't need to comment on here again...

BH...Thank you for your support...

25 cents.... One of the BEST posts I have read in awhile. We might disagree some, but your heart is certainly in the right place.

Semper

CHILDREN need to be told what to do

i know what I HAVE TO DO.

YOU ARE THE ONE, that follows your leader with the
"imaginary power"


and YES WE CAN "ESCAPE" WITHOUT SEVERE UPHEAVAL

refuse to fight.

if NOBODY FIGHTS ........there is NO WAR

refuse to do what "they" want (think for yourself) and it WILL STOP...
do you think that without YOUR BLOOD that THEY will do it.......are you nuts?

THE VERY SAME PEOPLE THAT BUILT UP THE WAR,
and talked you into fighting,,,
and says this is GOOD..............are...

the very same people who will snub their noses at you when you return
the same ones that will cut your benefits off when you will need them most

the same that would not look at you if you said hi...........
in their eyes ,,you werent supposed to "RETURN"....

what good are you NOW to them IF you are a DISABLED WAR VET..........
now "they" are going to be the exact same ones that are complaining that "they"
have to SUPPORT YOU now.........

just wait.............you'll see!!............promise...

You are so very very misguided it is truly sad.

I AM a vet, I fought for my country, I bled for my country and would have gladly died for my country, for I am not a coward.

I believe in the noble cause that is the United States of America.

No one has ever "snubbed" their nose at me, but perhaps they did and I was not looking, not looking for I did not go fight for their approval, their disapproval or their opinion in anyway.

I fought so that you have the freedom to get on here and rant about how stupid I am for going to fight.
I still to this day, get in a uniform and go out and defend your freedoms, so that this will never be China and you can surf, search and post to your hearts content.

I do not expect you to understand a word of what all I have said. Not after reading your previous posts, but the truth is, I don't care how you feel, not one small bit. For though you are irrelevant to me, your freedom is precious.
For your freedom, I would gladly give my life, on this ground, or any other in the world.

Freedom is not free; but I have paid for yours! So relax and continue to exercise your freedom, continue to post.

Semper

p.s.

the billions and billions and billions 100+
spent SO FAR on this WAR

COULD VERY WELL HAVE

fortified this country better than you could possibly imagine
probably built agreat wall of china across BOTH BORDERS
of canada AND mexico.....

highly secured our ports,,

bought and PAID for that STAR WARS program.......

instead,,
we use it to kill people and TRAIN more KILLERS,
and MAKE MORE ENEMIES.............
and come up with NEW WAYS to KILL even MORE people...........

semper,,, and you other guys.....
i feel bad for you,, really i do,,, and i admire you,,

it must take a WHOLE LOT of STRENGTH,, to look someone in the eyes
then kill them......

lucky for you,,,,
they try to make that situation better/easier.. by doing it at a distance,,
such as missiles and stuff....

that way just about ANYBODY could just push a button

try this.........

next time you HAFTO KILL......... look them in the eyes.......
kill your own brother!!

semper says

"truth is, I don't care how you feel, not one small bit. For though you are irrelevant to me,"

well, if thats how you really feel then,,
i guess it DOESNT MATTER if you do make it back,
thats 1 less NON CARING HUMAN BEING, we can ALL DO WITHOUT

that attitude is what gets wars STARTED

never mind,,, you are the PERFECT FOLLOWER
and a good soldier boy....

........man......, and i even cared about what happened when you
come back in a box, or disabled........and your govt. walked out on you

live by the sword..........die by the sword

your comment is the EXACT SAME that those who sent you
feel about your "return"


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You missed the point, but I never really expected you to get it.

Sad

Semper

as long as there are people like you,,,,,who

are WILLING to FIGHT

there will NEVER BE PEACE...

all YOU need is a REASON........(to fight somebody).........thats NOT GOOD!

sure,we got attacked on 911,,,.........BUT.......
we expelled them from our shores,,, (victorious)

instead of beefing up the country (so it doesnt happen again)

,, we used EVERYTHING THAT WE DONT HAVE
to go blast a FEW countries
and WASTE COUNTLESS NUMBERS of MORE innocent lives

and destroyed the lives of a million more........

ARE WE EVEN NOW????

getting them OUT OF OUR COUNTRY WASNT ENOUGH???????

(let the killers kill EACH OTHER )

the rest will live in peace

we have to date KILLED MORE PEOPLE in iraq since 2001

than SADDAM did his WHOLE LIFE????????

WE INVADED THEM

now, they are fighting for THEIR FREEDOM (from the americans)

do we need 1 million more lives for retribution???

heres what i'm talkin about

dont fight = dont kill = dont show up

as long as YOU are WILLING to fight
OTHERS WILL FIGHT BACK (that means MORE BLOOD SPILLED yours and theirs)

diggers go AWOL

what will they do ......ARREST EVERYONE??

www.news.com.au...

the war can STOP at ANYTIME...........IF YOU REFUSE to fight!!!!


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the war was initiated by outside parties, and will be continued by outside parties regardless of whether we pull out or not. until this conspiracy regarding the WTC is cleared up, i have to believe that terrorists hijacked those planes and flew them into buildings full of civilians. if you think we could have avoided even more killings by sitting back on our laurels, you're even more retarded than the opening line suggests.

pacifism in the face of hateful aggression is foolhardy. it's not brave, it's not mature, and it's not wise - it's an excercise in pain.

fighting this particular breed of coward...excuse me, enemey...is a lot more difficult than even the vietnam war, because they're being supplied by several other nations, they exist throught the world, they have private funding on top of national sponsorship, they're driven by religious ideals, and death does not scare them. the only way to eliminate this threat is to eliminate them, and because of their cowardice, they use the people of the middle east and other countries as shields and cloaks, knowing that for us, killing civilians is a bit more than unsavory.

if you'd like to side with an enemy who has absolutely no respect for human life rather than your own country simply because they 'never did anything to us', then perhaps you ought to be next on the chopping block. the war may not be going perfectly, and our government may be making a huge mess of things, but at least they're doing SOMETHING, you little worthless twit. get a clue.

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you see its all a scam, planned long ago........

involves the carlyle group and the presidents and other politicians

Politicians affiliated with Carlyle Group:

en.wikipedia.org...

* James Baker III, former United States Secretary of State under George H. W. Bush, Staff member under Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush, Carlyle Senior Counselor, served in this capacity from 1993 to 2005.
* George H. W. Bush, former U.S. President, Senior Advisor to the Carlyle Asia Advisory Board from April 1998 to October 2003.
* George W. Bush, current U.S. President. Was appointed in 1990 to the Board of Directors of one of Carlyle's first acquisitions, an airline food business called Caterair, which Carlyle eventually sold at a loss. Bush left the board in 1992 to run for Governor of Texas.
* Frank C. Carlucci, former United States Secretary of Defense from 1987 to 1989; Also, former Princeton wrestling partner of present US Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld. Carlyle Chairman and Chairman Emeritus from 1989 to 2005.
* Richard Darman, former Director of the U.S. Office of Management and Budget under George H. W. Bush, Senior Advisor and Managing Director of The Carlyle Group from 1993 to the present
* William Kennard, Chairman of the U.S. Federal Communications Commission (FCC) under President Bill Clinton, Carlyle's Managing Director in the Telecommunications & Media Group from 2001 to the present.
* Arthur Levitt, Chairman of the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) under President Bill Clinton, Carlyle Senior Advisor from 2001 to the present
* John Major, former British Prime Minister, Chairman, Carlyle Europe from 2002 until 2005
* Frank McKenna, Canadian ambassador to the United States and former member of Carlyle's Canadian advisory board
* Mack McLarty, White House Chief of Staff under President Bill Clinton, President of Kissinger McLarty Associates, Carlyle Senior Advisor from 2003 to the present
* Anand Panyarachun, former premier of Thailand, former member of the Carlyle Asia Advisory Board until the board was disbanded in 2004
* Fidel Ramos, former president of the Philippines, Carlyle Asia Advisor Board Member until the board was disbanded in 2004
* Park Tae-Joon, former prime minister of South Korea, Founder/Honorary Chairman of POSCO

old man bush built up the budget, so his son could suck it dry....
with the
Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1990


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The Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1990 (or OBRA-90) was designed to reduce the United States federal budget deficit.

It increased income taxes by creating a new 31 percent individual income tax rate, but capped the capital gains rate at 28 percent. Personal exemptions were temporarily phased out through 1995.

The tax limit cap on Medicare taxes was raised from a $53,400 income to $125,000 in income. Itemized deductions were temporarily limited through 1995.

The gasoline tax was temporarily extended and increased through September 30, 1995. Air transportation excise taxes were extended and increased through 1995. The telephone excise tax put into place in 1898 as a tax on the rich was permanently extended.

It was signed into law by President George H.W. Bush on November 5, 1990, counter to his 1988 campaign promise to not raise taxes. This became an issue in the presidential election of 1992.

to pay all kinds of close business tie people
that made all sorts of investments.......and just had to wait,, for what???, WAR!!!

manuel noriega??
ever hear of him.......lets say we are gonna invest in arms deals.....
we help this guy by selling arms to him , build him up to over throw his govt,
then years later, sell MORE arms to take him back down........ingenius plan, huh???

sounds like almost every country we deal with nowadays,,,, afghan,iraq,....who else?

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what pisses me off is when people yell at me for not supporting our troops becuase I dont support the war. That is such a load of BS.. I just have to RANT about it for a minute... so bare with me.

There is a profound difference between supporting our soldiers and supportiong that frickin aholes that put us there.

I do nothing but pray everyday that our troops will come home safe and I support that.
I do not support the cowardly beaurocraps that sent them there... they want to fight then go fight.. stop sending the poor to do it for you... sick jerks!

I know, lets start two wars because of the CRIMINAL actions OF 19 people!!!!... yeah thats it. BTW were not 15 of those hijackers from Saudi Arabia... why did we not invade them?

this whole thing makes me so sick to my stomach iI just want to throw up all over the white house... drown them in my vomit!

Bush the coward ducks out of Vietnam but has no trouble starting two wars he has no intention of fighting himself... he has compromised our Constitution with over 800 signing statements... to me these are the cowards... the Aholes in office.. they have done more damage to our nation than any terorist ccould ever hoped to acheive..Why? becuase OBL and company cannot draft up things like the PATRIOT ACT, fee speech zones, manipulation of sciences, Constitutional transgressions...etc.. no the worlds biggest terrorists are the People in power, not even just Bush and the Admin... but the Demoncraps too(democrats) I cannot stand any of them.. they are all felons in my book who should be tried for treason... they have ensured the death of many of my countrymen for the good of the corporate.

Screw the War... God help our soldiers to get home safe... and lastly throw the entire govt into prison for the rest of thier lives(the people that made the decisions to go to war anyway)


whewww.. god I feel better... thanks for letting me rant.

BTW: My Grandfather fought in both Korea and WWII; my brother, Grenada... Both told me to stay away from the military.. I guess killing isnt in my blood.

tone 23,

i'm proud of you
you see things for yourself,

the REST of the people are

too scared of their government,
too proud to believe they were lied to,
or have their heads so far up someones a**,
that there are 2 big butt cheeks obscuring their vision!!!!

lets see

first we went to war because we were under attack,

then it changed into finding bin laden,
(but recently bush CUT THE FUNDING to find him)....no longer a threat????

then it was to oust saddam,
then to bring democracy to iraq,

now we are to arrest terrorists before they do anything,
which is the scary part,
because now anyone who disagrees with the presidents views,
are BY LAW, a TERRORIST

ok,ok,
we went to iraq because 15 of the 19 hijackers were SAUDI ARABIAN,,???

we toppled saddam because of democracy,, BULLS**t

what about all the countries in africa,

say sudan, darfur,congo,............

theyre going through 100 times more crap than saddam has done,
and you dont see us rushing in there now do you!!!!

now if any of you are any good with a map,
or geography........

afghanistan is on the east side of IRAN

IRAQ is on the west,

we are pretty much surrounding iran.......convenient huh.......

iraq has the best quality oil in the world,
it costs MUCH LESS TO REFINE than any other place,,,
and their government was selling it (gasoline) to its citizens for 10 CENTS a GALLON
boy that must have pissed off the top oil companies,,
they could have made $BILLIONS$ from that (selling CHEAP oil)


before bush came to office.....
gasoline cost $1.10 a gallon!!! for PREMIUM!!

most people only needed 1 (one) job

people didnt have near this many problems with social security OR medicare

the whole world was a much SAFER PLACE,,

and presidents were elected by VOTES not JUDGES!!!!

yes when it came down to it,
a judge THREW OUT the CONTESTED RECOUNTED VOTES!!!!!

but the dead people that voted for bush do count!!!