Behold a White Horse

Originally posted by Nygdan

because the world is going to be shown the glory of the Living God!

How?

That is something I'm not at liberty to tell...I am only testifying that it will be shown. But I would surely tell you if I could--because the secret/surprise entrance is for the 'christians' benefit: a bitter pill, hard to swallow.

Jesus Will Come "like a thief in the night" (A Surprise, Suddenly) .... I didn't relized when he speaks about coming back he always refers to it as a thief in the night. I think this is because if you are ready for the thief, it is surprising but you are READY ....

1 Thessalonians 5:2-4 (NIV) for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3 While people are saying, "Peace and safety," destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. 4 But you, brothers, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief.

Saying That you are NOT IN DARKNESS he was telling us right then it is happening...

THIEF IN THE NIGHT SCRIPTURES

Originally posted by Digital Zombie
I may have misunderstood something, and GOD I hope I did

Yes! You did misunderstand...thank goodness.

.. but you said ...

the biggest reason for the stilted spirituality is because of the sexual taboos inherent to Christianity, and the pedophile thing is just an exacerbated extension of unhealthy constriction on natural human sexuality.

Are you saying that PEDOPHILIA and CHILD MOLESTATION is "natural human sexuality" but Christianity is the reason why it is not only Illegal but also looked upon by society as Immoral and Disgusting?

No way!

What I mean is that the church's unnatural view toward human sexuality (as in: being without sin means your parents didn't have SEX) is the reason for such sexual deviations in our society--as well as our collective inability in rectifying the situation. Why would there be any pedophilia (especially by so called men of God) if we weren't somehow choking off our natural mechanisms--given for procreation?

Sex is fun and feels good for the same purpose! Kids are our biggest responsibility, as the human race--and they are hard crops to raise! We all know this! How far would we have gotten if sex had been unpleasant? One kid each--after the word got out--celibacy would be the norm. And celibacy is only normal if it is a totally personal, unforced, free-willed decision.

I hope I clarified that for you! Thanks for asking for an explanation, too!

I'm going to wait for a response before I jump the gun and go off on a rant.

Thanks. Sorry I've been so long in replying, truly.

Originally posted by georgejohn
Really ran through those long [whatever u want 2 call em] posts....didnt see the word 'Khazar'....u know that 'nation' that took whatever they called it then n made it into 'Judaism' and then forgot that they came from the 'Khazars' [about 90% + of the so-called-jews are Khazars n not blood to Abraham/Sarah ]...[do a Google on Khazar ]

You won't hear me mention 'Khazars' because they don't really figure in, at this point.

Believing there is importance in those truths is just another brick--either on the yellow brick road (if one continues on the journey) or in the wall (if one decides to sit down in the place of 'now').

LOLove n luck !

Thanks! Same to you, truly!

Do believe in Jesus/Mary and the-son-of-David Joseph and all the Family in all of us-creatures............................

Good sex/emotions/passion....ave maria !

[make the Androids Now...john 10:34] [n as we free 'em'..they will free us]

great info here www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com...

Thanks for the link.

You don't seem like the type to sit and build a wall. See you at the end of the road! If there is an end, that is (I doubt the road ends, myself). But I'll see ya, anyway!

Originally posted by NoNik
I thougth I might come back and find your proof of God.

You can't 'find my proof of God,' here or anywhere. It doesn't exist in that form, as belonging or coming from me....

What I said:

I have said, from time to time (not that anyone listened) that I could prove both the Almighty God and the scriptures beyond a doubt (with God’s grace He will surely prove me)

God will prove me as true--that's the gist.

But it would come at a dear cost for some—for these things both true will prove the world’s

These things will prove, not I will prove. I can prove and have proven and they will prove--God proves. But I know that it is impossible for me to prove God, myself. That wasn't my point in this thread.

All I found insted was more preaching with a personal slant. Don't you have a church to do this at?

God FORBID I should commit suicide by seeking the protection of church walls built by men, not God. If I had a church, I'd be totally unaware of any of what's going on.

I hear Saturday Night Live's Church Lady ............. "well iiiiiiiiisn't that special".

What I hear her saying is 'saaaaa haaatan.' All the time.

So you have set in motion a pole shift.

Didn't say that. I mentioned energies and completion--but I don't start or start such motions all my little old self. That's crazy!!

Nevermind the eons that it takes for this to happen, because we are at a due time for it

How do you know? And how does that mean what I say isn't true? I said complete not start. Pole shift is not as overtly cataclysmic as many think--the inner core of the earth is magnetized iron--the world doesn't stop, start, falter, or flip--just the electromagnetic polarity and then the crust follows. What is polarity? Male to female, east to west, pink to blue, sour to sweet...

Set yourself up mighty high don't ya.

Nope. I didn't set myself up at all--neither do I claim to be 'mighty'.

Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts.
(Zechariah 4:6 KJV)

Originally posted by georgejohn
Just Wild...Madness..................become the goddess, that is in your 'closet'...

No more close, baby!

[n do ur homework on the Khazars ! ]..................

Dear, I've done all that homework, and more. More than you can imagine.

'Study to show thyself approved.' I didn't even know I had been drafted for the biggest part of my life!

Would Mistress care to comment on JC saying 'Eat Me' ???

Ever heard that saying, 'You are what you eat?' It's true--but in a way that defies words...

[here drinking at Mary's Breast]...waiting as I drink Milk n Honey as a Baby ! as the Male clone of mary Immaculate !..................

LOLove n luck n good sex/emotions/vigor.....ave maria !


You're great! Beloved of God--that's what you are. And as God loves you, I love you!

[6/24 birthday of John the Baptist]

Now that is a valuable tidbit of information! Thanks for that! Makes perfect sense, too. It's the damndest thing--how God's genuis works--perfect efficiency beyond any man's imagination, much less ability!!!

Originally posted by georgejohnThat you can think that God is jealous of Mary or Joseph.....

No, you misunderstand: He is determined He and He alone be the sole object of worship. Mary was Jesus' mother on earth. She is in the Kingdom like the rest of the saints who "sleep in Christ". As is the case, I believe, with Joseph. You don't worship dead people and have God applaud your behavior.

Originally posted by georgejohnAs we all grow up as babies...it will get far more interesting...as the Lord Jesus chats with us-all in His Mystical Body.....

His Mystical Body? The Body of Christ is hardly Mystical, since it is comprised of human beings who've put their trust in His ever-efficacious blood for salvation and are living and moving in Him by the Holy Spirit. You have Spiritual and Mystical mixed up, the same mistake many Catholics before you have made. Mystics are those whose communion with Christ,if any, has deteriorated into a mish-mash of magic, fairy-land fantasies, and usually end with sharp detours into spiritual error.

The Jesus of the Bible is no elf, or "little person" bopping around nor does He flit around woodland sites. He is robust, led and filled by the Spirit, He has ascended on high & ever lives to intercede for us. Believe me, when He looks at the works we are doing or not doing down here there isn't a whole lot of room for the airy notions of the mystics; but through trial, hard work, and much fervent prayer it is ours to learn how to prepare the Word in the most honest, and straightforward manner, so that others who have ears to hear will come into the kingdom and, finally, complete the number of the Gentiles' Day.

There is much that is mysterious about the Spiritual life what with visions, miracles, and other works of the Spirit given as God determines there is need. Mysterious, yes, because we don't have the ability yet to understand all that God knows, but mysticism is a waste of time, at the very BEST it has to offer.

Originally posted by georgejohnMary is the Mother-of-GOD because she was given the MOTHERHOOD of GOD Almighty and was made really the mother of all-creation...n she deserves it tooooo !.....[poor Lucifer fell because he/she wanted that role]

Mary was the mother of Jesus. God has not said more than that about her. So for you to say she is the Mother of God Almighty is really pushing it. As for the mother of all creation, where is it written that she created anything?? ANYTHING?

So far as Scripture is concerned she was Jesus' mother, she suffered the loss of her dear Son. She raised other boys. She was human, get over it!

The entire point was that she was human, that Jesus' Father was God Himself and therefore His blood came from His Father God, so that he was the Son of Man and the Son of God. That is how He became the perfect sacrifice, not having a trace of Adam's blood, but having all the human frailities that could have caused Him to sin, had He yielded even for the moment to the flesh which was His inheritance from His mother, who was a direct descendant of Adam.

Originally posted by dnero6911
I wouldn't concern yourself with the things you cannot stop from happening.. I wouldn't try proving or disproving....

I'm not worried, dnero--but thanks for your words, I know the intent (agape) with which you say them.

Truth is, I've swallowed a bitter pill--in the form of a little book--and my stomach has been made bitter and sour countless times--but now it's just honey on my tongue! And so it's time to do what I've got to do.

What I would do is work on myself, making myself comfortable in myself in the place where myself is. Making myself comfortable in my desires because guilt is sin, and guilt damages the body and ego. after all we are the ninety nine not the one that has strayed.

Excellent advice.

Except surely there is one who did stray, right?

And that one has no guilt for straying off--it's the story of the prodigal coming home!

And I, myself, have reasoned with the LORD and He brought me to see the resolution and end of any guilt that I ever had. I am not concerned with sin, because I do not serve sin. You see?

But your words are very wise and I know they are gifts--and that they are heard by those who haven't yet come to reconciliation with the LORD.

Okay, I've read the entire thread beginning to end now, and I hear the sirens song in your words, queenannie. T

Thank God, I'm grounded and rooted in the Truth that is in Christ Jesus because your relating that "it is all ok, whatever you want to do, God doesn't REALLY care, He'll be just fine with it, and you'll be blessed" is such a lie, and so attractive to the flesh that anyone reading what you wrote closely is gonna need all the grounding they can get to resist the slithery and inaccurate information you post.

We'll know the "deep things of Satan", will we?

I don't care to, thank you very much, I've tasted and seen that his "deep things" are putrid water, spoiled meat, and rancid milk. No thanks, and I'm praying for you that you will escape this deception under which you are laboring, though I see it is exciting to your senses and almost overwhelmingly enticing to you to continue with it.

You have made a great mistake, and will not need to be told to "get behind me", because when NOTHING happens this Fall, and believe me, I know God will not allow any manifestation of Himself at that time FOR THE VERY FACT of your bald-facedness in presuming to know the time of His coming when only He knows it, when any of the ones you've enticed see that, they will leave you and you will be alone to face your God.

I hope and pray that long befoe that happens, you will see your error and blasphemy and confess as openly as you've enticed others. I know He will yet forgive you and welcome you into the true Body of Christ.

Originally posted by NJE777
Christianity is dying is it? hmmm...well your entire theory confirms the warnings GOD gave to us for the end times.

No, it just confirms the conspiracy! Men trying to force prophetic revelation has amounted to the biggest pile of bovine feces ever to litter up the pulpit/altar!

What concerned me the most was the fact that YOU had to come forward with this theory now. Your ego has deluded you into believing that you are THE ONE, a catalyst for change/something more important than the rest of the human race.

No, your ego has deluded you into thinking that God is a respecter of persons--which the bible says clearly He is NOT.
I am not THE ONE. The world is THE ONE. God is THE ONE. I am just a servant. I am no one special, at all--never have been, never will be! And I know this without any vestiges of doubt. I have seen the wretched within of myself--and I have seen what God can do with such a wretch--for the purpose of everyone else in the world. It's not about me--and I've never even thought it was.

What bothers you, deep inside (yet you surely have no idea) is that you are not THE ONE. But you're not, because there is NO ONE. No one but God. There is GOD and beside, no other!!

It just doesnt work like that.

Of course it doesn't. Ask King Nebuchadnezzar--he learned the lesson which destroys man's tendency to sin because of 'pride of life.' So did Paul.

So did my brother Yehoshua whom we all crucified. He learned it for all of us. And the pain was turned to grace.

Matthew 24:24
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Yep. But I haven't been deceived. I know God is not a sorcerer. I know God doesn't talk through men on the pulpit or try to speak God's mind (in place of God in my heart). I know a false prophet when I see one--that's all there is! Profits, actually--all trying to sell their stupid books with the same old same old tired story--which doesn't hold up, and doesn't stand firm--I searched the scriptures and God searched my heart and reins....

And the deception is so cleverly disguised--in the nice air-conditioned sanction of 'theology' and human ordination--every Sunday most of the world bows down to the beast--those that don't, in truth--they will hear. The rest will continue with the weekly bestiality--punctuation for daily self-delusion and the dream of self-righteousness.

We are told that the endtime delusion is so strong that it will deceive the whole earth into accepting the antichrist.

You may be told that, but the bible doesn't say that.

Paul said that this 'strong delusion' was in place as he wrote to the Thessalonians! He died before 70AD! And it is now 2006. Do you think Paul lied? I don't. Do you think that the thing that the whole of christendom has declared for 100 years--from one end of the earth to the other--could really be what is going to delude us all? How could we know so much, and then not see it coming? Obviously it is very very insidious and well-disguised--or else we are all idiots. And I know that people are capable of thought and reason. Only God could perform such a impossible feat as hiding the obvious for 2000 years!

And only God can lift the veil--when it becomes clear, it's like 'DUH why didn't I see that??!?!?'
And the answer follows right behind: 'Because God didn't yet want me to see!'

And I see what I see.

This lie of the end times will even fool many who think they are now Christians....You claim to be with GOD?

Exactly. I am NOT a christian. Never have applied that word to myself or my heart.
It seems like blasphemy, if you want to know the truth. Like it would burn my lips right off.

And yes, whatever it is you mean by being 'with God', I do claim. Although more like the other way around. Not like I searched out and found God. God draws men, men don't find God.

Is that a problem for you? Do you not realize that if you prohibit me that condition, all you are really doing is preventing your own realization of the same thing?

Working for a higher collective?..the end times are predetermined. There are those, the Nephilim who fool themselves with the delusion that life will go on because they manifest it.

You don't even know who the Nephilim might be! How do you know they even exist in these days? Because they don't....not any more.

Sorry to tell you, but this just isnt so. The New Earth will exist for those whose energies that vibrate in line with the light.

How do you know? You may think you do, but don't let your pride getcha.

You have stepped up with your theory because it is urgent you do so.

Exactly. God said to do it, and so I AM.

The end times are upon us and the only ones who cling to the delusion of manifesting are actually the ones who do so because this is their end.

There is no end. Just change.

Oh and do you know why I knew that your knowledge has been corrupted?

Didn't even occur to me. It's not something that concerns me.

Your statement regarding flesh indicated to me that your higher goal is grounded in it. That is one of the biggest signs.

The only sign most will see is that of the 'withered vine'--Jonah's sign, you know?

Originally posted by AkashicWanderer
Obviously I cannot speak for Queenannie, but I'm sure that she is not saying that Child Molestation is "natural human sexuality". Instead it seems that she is saying that because of the supression of natural human sexuality put on priests, they turn to things like child molestation.

I encourage everyone to read these posts with an open mind, and not to make quick conclusions like the ones above.

Thanks friend! I don't mind if you speak for me, when I'm not around to speak for myself. You don't ever misunderstand my intentions! And I love you for that!

Originally posted by Deus_Brandon
Jesus Will Come "like a thief in the night" (A Surprise, Suddenly) ....

What hits me about that phrase like a thief in the night is this.

First of all you don't know when a thief is coming, it's when you aren't expecting it.

Second, what does a thief do, he comes to take something.

Third, he leaves with what he came for, undetected.

That phrase speaks to me of the rapture. Christ is coming, when, unexpectedly, to take something(believers), and leave without being detected.

Originally posted by dbrandt

Originally posted by queenannie38
The world isn’t going to end, but the age is definitely over.

I agree with you on this sentence only.

Well, cool, I guess--not that it matters, really. But okay. I'm glad you know that much about it.

You don't know where I live , do you?

No, dbrandt, I don't know where you live. I don't care where you live, actually. Nothing personal, but it's not important.



:shk: I know I'll probably regret this question, but, why do you ask?

[edit on 6/28/2006 by queenannie38]

Originally posted by dbrandt

Originally posted by queenannie38
The crown of thorns

They put a crown of thorns on Jesus when they were ridiculing and torturing him.

When Abraham was told to sacrifice Issac, and Issac said where is the sacrifice, and Abraham said God will provide the sacrifice. This was a reference to the yet future Jesus that Abraham hadn't knowledge of. When God stopped Abraham, he looked over and saw a ram(a forshadowing of Jesus) whose horns were caught in a thicket. This thicket(had thorns) was a forshadowing of the crown of thorns Jesus would wear.

Good point. But not the whole picture. It is much deeper, but I'm glad you mentioned that, because it is crucial--Abraham did a great thing in demonstrating his trust in the LORD!

Tell me, then--what significance does a ram have, according to levitical sacrificial laws?
And what is the real story about thorns, according to the ancient ones, the OT prophets?

queenannie back n answering questions...thanks for ur vigor n love mistress honey bunch...alittle worship where worship is due..............love ur answer to the "eat me" question...

Curousity, please get more curious and u will find that what I've said about Her Highness in mary is just a little taste of the Honor n Glory that the Almighty has given to her and that she will share all of It with us-all...her other selves...

Let the dead bury the dead...........................

The Kingdom of GOD is within us-all...to be free n flowing one should try to free all fellow 'creatures'.....

Well 6/29 is the feast of Saints Peter n Paul...may they like Mistress mary come forth n talk for themselves and clear up the mis-understanding that many have caused 'playing' them...

Enjoy [n honor] the 'WORD' in each other...n please free teenage Jesus n Mary n let 'em' free us-all from the 'insane controllers' of the Illuminati/NWO [n also free them]...the real controllers being over 500 yrs. old and living on the Earth...now go n do ur homework n u will understand that..........

Lolove n luck n good sex/emotions/passion.....Ave Maria !...Infinity

Originally posted by wu kung
I'm not the first person to say this, and I certainly won't be the last, but
"An eye for an eye, makes the whole world blind"

Exactly! That is true! And the world is blind--because Karma is the source of that law--karma not being a spiritual concept only, but rather is a fundamental part of the balance that sustains all life.

Also, what of the entire history of the world, the solar system, the galaxy and the universe BEFORE the (suppossed) days of christ?

God told Noah that whoever spilled the blood of another would be required to spill their own (eye for an eye.)

This is the start of our known human history. That is when the law came about--because of the transgressions of those who came before and who eventually succumbed to greed instead of overcoming materiality. 'Cain killed Abel' means the same as 'they destroyed themselves and their brothers' in regard to antedeluvian days (most think of them as 'Atlantis' which was not so much a place as it was a time.)

And also, if we are ALL brothers and sisters (according to the tribes and whatnot), wouldn't that make every relationship incestuous?
Isn't that against all that you stand for?

Incest causes problems from the lack of genetic variety--it is 'wrong' because it is detrimental to both the survival as well as the advancement of the human race.

Most people wouldn't want to have sex with their close family anyway--that's the reason most say it is 'wrong'--because it is not a palatable idea. That's okay. There is a reason for that. But it is more fundamental than some religious taboo.

And...
wouldn't it be an extremely limited point of view to personnify what god is?
I mean, isn't it waaaaaayyy beyond what we (as intellectually/perceptually limited creatures) are capable of truly conceptualizing?

But that's why we have 'idolatry' and why Yehoshua came--and why Moses did what He did--God is pure spirit and cannot be seen, ever--by any human eyes. If not for Him manifesting (in His own way, not our attempts to imitate what we cannot know) within men, then we'd never ever get past the sorry state of affairs we are presently experiencing.

Isn't the ideal of improving the self by doing the right thing the ultimate in humanism?

Truly, I have no idea. I don't get into 'isms' of any sort. Never have. I do sometimes look them up, but I don't have the time to do that now. If it is, though--it is a totally sound principle and probably the reason it is scorned by the religious. Just like 'pantheism.' If the church says it's a NO NO, then that means one thing and one thing only: It certainly bears valid investigation for those who know their brain is for a purpose other than to keep their skull from caving in!

Why worship?
Can't we just, (as profoundly put by Bill & Ted) "Be excellent to each other"?

That's what we should do! Must do! Are commanded to do!

Worship means love, adore, serve. We are to love and serve each other and that is how God's love is manifested and that proves to Him that it's Him we want to please, not ourselves. To love another is to love God. To see ourselves is to see the devil and after that, God. And the forgiveness is for that purpose--not God's...

And ultimately, aren't good and evil just primative concepts?
There is only the Way.

EXACTLY! Why are you bothering with me, then? You aren't the one I say these things to, anyway!

Oh, and one last thing (and this might actually piss some people off, but I'm saying it anyway because I have free will):

I am sick and tired of hearing people blame their own ignorance and weaknesses on "demons" and the "devil";
The "devil" doesn't make you molest children.
The "devil" doesn't make you drink or do drugs.
"Demons" don't make people kill each other.
"Demons" don't make people wage war on each other over ideals and borders.

AMEN!!! 100% correct. That's my point. But those who do not see the simple beauty and truth of UNITY are the ones I'm addressing. Not for me but for them and for the world, in general.

People do that.
Saying that it is demons or the devil is just an excuse not to take responsibility for your own actions!
Quoting scripture doesn't make you holy (I'm not taking a shot at anyone in particular, just so you know) just like making a mistake due to poor judgement doesn't make you evil.

Worry about your own actions before you condemn your neighbors.

Exactly! Wise words. And I condemn no one. Neither does God. But it's time to end condemnation, in general.

Our true religion (in my opinion) should be self improvement.
Enlightenment is where you find it.

Love is light and light is the only improvement over darkness.

It's all about love. UNITY.

Originally posted by saint4God
Certainly I have innumerable questions, as anyone who read The Bible would as it appears to greatly mismatches your posts.

As anyone who thinks they can guide themselves, is closer to the reality. You don't even have a clue what kind of treasures are in the bible--and probably will never find them--you are satisfied with where you are--you are the same as you've been from the first time I read any of your posts here at ATS....

I don't usually speak so boldly, but to you, in the present, I don't mind saying, straight up, that I know I have read the bible more than you can even know--more times than I could count--so much that my mind echoes with the spirit's words every minute I'm awake--and then I dream about things I cannot conceive--and as far as what you think you know--what you know comes from men who go to school to be taught by men about God. I have been taught by the MASTER.

The bible isn't something I force on anyone--not even myself!!!--and it was mine to do and I had no choice, compelled from the depths of my bones when it was time, it seems--and it wasn't for me but for the sake of something bigger than any of us!!!

If you insist on living by the sword, expect to die by the sword! But you don't even know how to parry or thrust with any real conviction...

BUT I KNOW it isn't nearly as vital for humanity nor as valuable as is the simple spreading of sincere and humble love and true goodwill in the world (as so many many people do, every day of the year--without ever mentioning God's name or cracking open a bible).

Firstly, why don't you eat apples?

Once I ate a rotten one--it had a deadly worm. And then I died at least a thousand times....

Originally posted by saint4God
Let's have a test of knowledge.

Puuh leeze. Test of knowledge? Or reading comprehension skills?

Allow me. Put your sword away before you cut yourself.

Can anyone fill in the name in blank of who said the following?

"You will not surely die," ___________ said to the woman. "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."

The SERPENT. Who was the most subtil of all the beasts. Subtil?

Yes, the serpent was very aware and skilled at making what was covered (hidden) bare! He could be cunning, yes, but he could also be prudent. Subtil doesn't mean false or a liar--crafty and sly, yes--but honest just the same, unless proven otherwise.

The root word for 'serpent' indicates the following ideas in regard to the snake and what the snake represents:
whisper a (magic) spell; generally to prognosticate (prophesy), divine, enchanter, enchantment, learn by experience, diligently observe.

Does it say 'liar?' Nope.

And since I know which verse you will respond with, as far as what you consider 'proof,'--I'll save you the effort and save us all a bit of time.

Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
(John 8:44 KJV)

Who is he talking to? The pharisees. They are not snakes, although John the B called them vipers. Vipers are poisonous, but snakes hiss and enchant. Brush up on your Hebrew idioms and lore...

Who first lied and murdered? At the very beginning? Not the serpent--to say he did is to assume what is not explicitly stated. But what is plainly shown is the first crime of the current age: Cain's murder of Abel--compounded by his lie in reply to God asking where his brother was!

Humans lie and murder, Saint4God!! Not the snake. The snake, if representing a seraphim (fiery winged serpent type angel), is not a liar. Angels cannot lie. They can rebel, but they do not know guile--their lips never speak untruths. Only human beings lie. To themselves and one another.

Warning, the giver of this statement is incorrect in their claim.

Who says? You? Your trusted men of God? Who have the same capacity to be untruthful, self-deluded--those who so easily decieve others because of their own misguided ideas--unintentional poison in the name of 'authority' but which is based only on their own self-deception; and this makes them seem convincing--they don't know they don't speak the truth--they are not lying on purpose--this I know is true)

But to deceive self is one thing--to deceive another because of pride of life and self-righteous error--is another thing altogether.

And I'd go round and round with you, Saint4God--and also with Jake or anyone else, for that matter--even formally in the ATS debate forum--but so far you decline the invitation to step into the scripture/truth/evangelizing ring with me. And so I once more extend the invitation. Not in order to prove anything--to you or anyone else--but for the sole purpose of putting to death all the lies and dangerous restrictions that are spread and enforced by those who claim God's name as their own.

I'm sick of you constantly blaspheming the spirit of truth--and in God's name! Even more so, with the total ingratitude or respect for what Yehoshua did for all of us--the WHOLE world! He died for the world, not for you, and not for christians. He SUFFERED things you cannot fathom, and you don't praise His name nor do you give Glory to God in the things you say. If you truly had reverence for God, you'd be more worried about what people thought of Him because of you, than what people (or you) think of YOU! You don't have the authority you believe you have. And that's why I wrote the lengthy letter about the email list...and I look at myself intently every hour--searching for beams, boards, and splinters in my eye. I'm totally willing to be judged by the exact same standard with which I am judging you. And even at that, I'm still more merciful than you are, in your heart.

Originally posted by curiousity
God is STILL a jealous God and shares the fulness of His godhead bodily with only those in whom He and Jesus abide.

They abide in Him and He in them. Requirements? Follow His commandments. Love your neighbor as yourself and seek not the words of men.

And if you trust Paul's words--then all things are Christ's and Christ is God's. So all things are of God. Not manifested, but accomplished. Do you recall reading something like that? All the all? All men? Nothing excepted?

Here is another thread you might be interested in if you are seeking for more, and not satisfied that you already have all knowledge and are ruling and reigning without the rest of us soon to be manifested Sons of God.

Not that it matters, but I'm curious --pun intended? I don't know! --you decide.

But anyway--what's your criteria for including yourself and excluding certain others? What makes you think you know God's mind--especially when you say He is a 'jealous God.' What is there to be jealous of?

Perhaps you are assigning your own emotions as God's?

It's pointless to worry about any of this, ALL of our flesh will be destroyed, the solidity of the world is going to disintegrate... as it was written what was not before time existed will fail to exist when time ends which is the material, which is way newer than spirit... the material which was made for a very specific reason.... We feed off of the "dust of the earth" the plants we eat thrive off of the dirt/dust, which feeds the cattle and us, ... I honestly don't need to give proof for my words, every religeon says the same thing when u stop and listen to the HARD points, although I would have to say religeon is proof when you mix spirit with flesh it falters, a kingdom divided against itself will fall works for more than on explanation... The spirit by nature is chaotic, and the human by nature is form, the mixture makes the form, or "law" shine...