New Orleans Mayor Requests National Guard Return

Originally posted by jsobecky
So, how long are the Guard supposed to stay there? A month? A year?

They need to do the long term fix, like make the PD a true PD. The Guard can help out in the short term but it's only a bandage approach.

From what I'm getting wind of, this is on a "as long as its needed basis". You know what that means, Nagin will keep screwing around, the PD will keep screwing around, and the Guard will eventually be pulled out, and nothing will ever change. New Orleans, bless her, is a stubborn mule. There is change that needs to occur, its just a matter of if, not when.

I went driving around today, not realizing that the NG hadn't gone out into the area yet, and saw areas that I hadn't seen yet. This city has a very long time before it will ever be close to (ab)normal again.

And the smell.... Some places, you know the bodies are around, it has that slight mausoleum smell to the air. No words for it...

*Edit - spelling

[edit on 6/20/06 by niteboy82]

Originally posted by zerotolerance
What that hell hole needs right now is another Category 3-5 hurricane..............problem solved.
[edit on 20-6-2006 by zerotolerance]

If you're going to post on this thread, would you at least be respectful of those that live here that contribute, and at the same time stay on subject? This is thread is about the National Guard coming to New Orleans, it is not about whether ATS Members want the city to be destroyed. If that is how you feel, I think you should start a thread and discontinue your attempt to derail this thread into nothing but an arguement. Thank you.

Originally posted by niteboy82
ATSGuy, if your dad has been living down here and didn't have any severe destruction to his home, than more that likely he is living in a safer part of the city that was left relatively unscathed by floodwaters.

What you said though, is what bothers me the most in one respect. The motivation out of this is fear, and fear is what can be played upon in so many ways. Let me pose this question, now that I have more information on the subject.

First off, the National Guard are now here. They are here because the police could not curb the recent surge of violent crimes. The police now are going to be put into the neighborhoods where people live, while the Guard are going to be in the uninhabited areas of the city. The police were unable to perform their duties, regardless of reasoning, they were not. So how exactly is this going to be a solution to violent crime when you are sticking the same people that were losing the battle directly into it?

There are many vantages to look at this from, and I have yet to find a truly logical explanation. It is one thing to just say "it's great that they're here." It is quite another to say "they are here for the right reasons." During the election for mayor, the FEMA director for our area was at Nagin's campaign HQ endorsing Nagin for the job! There is a stinky smelly fish somewhere, and it is not left over from the floodwaters, either.

My dads a taxi driver down there, he goes all over the city.
Also know that the police ditched the city in its time of need, some were even part of the criminal acts that happend down there.

Does anyone know where these N.G. troops will be mobilizing from? I'm guessing they're from M.P. units and wonder how local they are.

I'm also wondering how many of these soldiers have just returned from Iraq. I've heard that some of the units supporting the INS on the Mexican border just cycled back to the states.

Originally posted by ATSGUY
My dads a taxi driver down there, he goes all over the city.
Also know that the police ditched the city in its time of need, some were even part of the criminal acts that happend down there.

I do know, I hadn't left yet when it was going on. Dad's a taxi driver? If he's with United, I may know him.

The national guard is not going to be the solution. Mark my words now, it will be shown. You don't provide a solution to a problem from an outside source when you can't even keep your own house clean.

Well it's not really my business, but I think it is a bad idea, what next curfews

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National Guard Arrives in New Orleans

By CAIN BURDEAU , 06.20.2006, 04:37 PM

The 100 or so soldiers will patrol the streets in ravaged neighborhoods left deserted by Katrina, freeing up police officers to concentrate on more heavily populated sections.

"We're just trying to give a hand to the city of New Orleans," said Lt. Melvin Edwards, 32, a member of 239th Military Police Company

Nagin perhaps is thinking in terms of dollars and cents?

The national guard is "free".

Advertising, screening, training, paying, mobilizing of new police recruits is expensive and time consuming. New Orleans is not in the best financial shape right now in spite of moneys alloted post Katrina.

Bringing in the National Guard to police a city that is slowly getting out of control might appear to be a "losers" choice...but stop and think about how long it takes and how costly it is to rebuild a police force...all the while the city is under a crime wave.

The National Guard does not impose marshall law...in an instance such as this it would act as it is requested to, as is best for the city and it's population. Not a Police State...just a low cost "in the mean time" solution.

The state needs help, and I don't think it's cowardly to ask for help when it's needed. I think it's prudent and effective leadership that admits a failing, rather than proceed as if there is no problem at all.

I'm sure Nagin's descision was well thought out and with a lot of input from others in civic capacities.

The National Guard is designed to fill in when and where needed, to act as peace keepers and as law enforcement. If New Orleans is in bad shape fiscally and if the crime wave continues...the National Guard really is a valid and efficient option.

IMO

I do know, I hadn't left yet when it was going on. Dad's a taxi driver? If he's with United, I may know him.

he does work for the airport, but he also works in the city, you may possibly know him...first name Haso

Anyway i think that the national guard will give some people more help, i mean the increase in tourism after katrina has really started to kick off these couple of months, The city is almost fixed up but wouldnt the national guard make people feel like new orleans is unsafe...therefore destroying the tourism, well some of the tourism.

[edit on 21-6-2006 by ATSGUY]

Well, this is the latest story that I have recieved from the Time-Picayune. There is also a mention of the timetable that the troops will be here, well, the mention that there is no timetable. The swell to 300 guardsmen could be as soon as today.

There was also a map included in the paper itself (I can't find it anywhere on the net), that shows were the Guard will be. Unfortunately, our thoughts of this being only in unpopulated areas has proven itself to be untrue. My neighborhood and the one down river from me are completely repopulated, and it is part of the area to be patrolled by the Guard.

Roadblocks? Why in Heaven's name would there need to be road blocks, I don't really know! I drove the entire city yesterday (Lower 9th to Lakeview) and saw no signs that would require road blocks. This is at the least, far fetched, at the most, a sign of some hidden agenda.

Originally posted by niteboy82
"They have pull-over authority, they are locked and loaded, and they are authorized to use deadly force," Riley said.

You can't tell them to do the job without giving them the authority to act as necessary. Hopefully, law-abiding residents need not fear being fired upon. Challengers, beware.

Roadblocks? Why in Heaven's name would there need to be road blocks, I don't really know! I drove the entire city yesterday (Lower 9th to Lakeview) and saw no signs that would require road blocks. This is at the least, far fetched, at the most, a sign of some hidden agenda.

I think the roadblocks are a sign of clamp-down. They may accomplish nothing in the long run, but will give peace of mind to residents that something is being done. Sometimes, perception solves 90% of the problem.

I would also say the same thing about curfews, if they were to be imposed.

Consider this possibilty:

Nagin whined and moaned at the FEMA response to Katrina in New Orleans. In fact, it was his whining which (unsuccessfully) tried to get the nation to realize that FEMA is either not able or not willing to effectively dedicate their massive resources to a domestic aid effort in real-time.

Nagin just got re-elected. Now I wouldn't re-elect such a buffoon, but Bush even got a second term. These days I get the feeling that electronic voting has all but silenced the voice of the voting public in exchange for a future with almost every race a close one guranteeing that whomsoever the PTB want to keep/put in charge will win. Being a Mayor doesn't guarantee you a life of luxury, but it is a path to higher office and I don't know of a single former-president who can't make ends meet with his speaking fees. Not to mention the fact that one could likely easily line their pockets with money coming from those interests who wish to develop the now vacant and potentially lucrative real-estate that was once the home of so many New Orleans residents.

Now, many on this thread point to overall control of U.S., and therefore, world politics by the NWO which seeks to globalize, divide and conquer. Assuming that there really is an NWO and that capitulation of one of the world's largest group of "free" people is key to ensuring a form of global slavery, enactment of Marshall Law in the "land of the free and home of the brave" is an important step to guranteeing that the will of the people is easily crushed.

So, where am I going with this? Nagin, in his effort to climb ever-higher on the U.S. totem pole is now in a position where his success is highly dependent on keeping New Orleans on the map. Maybe the PTB said that if you want to even hope for FEMA assistance during this hurricane season, you're going to play ball, buddy. Call in the National Guard under the guise of protecting your waterlogged city and you'll get your FEMA. You'll also get Marshall Law, but remember, part of Marshall Law is rebuilding and we can help you there too.

Wanna buy stock in a casino Mr. Nagin?