New Orleans Mayor Requests National Guard Return

By what gang??? MS-13 has not taken over! It is the same old petty criminals that it was before. Gangster wannabe's with nothing else to do. This has nothing to do with a Latino gang. This is how rumors are spread. That gang hardly has any hold here whatsoever. Thankfully, that is because of the, well, more established group of a certain European descent that has had their hands on control for quite a long time, ie. mafia. I remember when this came out, a friend of mine started laughing. MS-13? When you have gangsters running around named Lorenzo and Nicolo, you no longer think MS-13, do you?

Ok so your saying this is not gang violence it is organised crime. Still a bad thing of corse, and I can also see where aditional peace officers would not be what it needed to solve the problem. But still I can say what ever it takes should be done so you can have the freedom of your city.

This is troubling.

Either the mayor is in waaay over his head. Or the situation is even worse that what the mayor is saying.
Or both.

Having lived in Detroit during the 1967 riots, when the National Guard was called in, I cannot even begin to imagine what' going on in NOLA.
I cannot imagine any mayor willing giving up control of his city like that to the state/Nat'l Guard.

Originally posted by DontTreadOnMe
This is troubling.
Either the mayor is in waaay over his head. Or the situation is even worse that what the mayor is saying.
Or both.

That's what I believe also, could be gangs taking over, drug lords or just petty criminals on a rampage for control of a city that has not enough police force to control.

Taking into consideration that the victims were all in the same vehicle and young it could be a revenge or drug related.

But if the Mayor is calling for the fed to intervene it seems that it has to be more than just a petty drug related crime what is going on.

We have to understand that a Crime rate of 80 percent in a city that only have half of its original population it sounds troubling and out of hand.

Yes Perhaps Mr. Nagging is in trouble and its city is in trouble or . . . he just got to comfy when he had the troops around the city doing the police work after the disaster.

[edit on 19-6-2006 by marg6043]

I guess I'm missing something here. The pre-Katrina police force was about 1750, and now it is 1375. Okay, that's a big drop, but the populations dropped to about half of 465,000
So, the police presence should be sufficient, no???

Originally posted by DontTreadOnMe
I guess I'm missing something here. The pre-Katrina police force was about 1750, and now it is 1375. Okay, that's a big drop, but the populations dropped to about half of 465,000
So, the police presence should be sufficient, no???

I think that is sufficient, but . . . no if they suspect something more than just petty crime.

Originally posted by DontTreadOnMe
I guess I'm missing something here. The pre-Katrina police force was about 1750, and now it is 1375. Okay, that's a big drop, but the populations dropped to about half of 465,000
So, the police presence should be sufficient, no???

No one is going to call this idiot mayor out on policing the city! If so it would already be done. This is typical New Orleans fashion, "we aren't going to fix our problems, we're going to bring in someone else to do it for us!" The shame that I feel for this is great. I didn't think it would actually get to this here.

New conspiracy in my eyes. Hurricane season is here, we bring in the guard ahead of time, that way we can be ready to militarize the area way ahead. Curfews will be enacted (plans already are for 24 hours) when gale force winds first hit the city. They are preparing.

The governor has called the Guard to be here tomorrow! It is the first time Lady Xanax has ever gotten anything done in a fast manner. I am in an area that was not touched hardly by the storm, with almost 98% of the population back. I will be taking pictures and showing you all what it looks like to have military humvees cruising American streets as police enforcement. I have seen it already once, it is chilling to me. This is not the way our country is supposed to be.

niteboy

I am truly sorry for the people of New Orleans. We all expected scam artists, etc., to come down and try to cash in on all the rebuilding work that had to be done after Katrina, but this crime crap should never have happened.

The first thing you must do after a tragedy is to establish law and order, so that people can feel safe and secure while rebuilding their lives. To establish this, you must have leaders that people trust. I have not heard of anybody who trusts Ray Nagin. He was re-elected solely to dole out lucrative contracts, imo.

The crime problem is probably not related to MS13. It is due to a general sense of a lack of law and order, imo.

The good people of New Orleans need to take back their city. And that starts with getting rid of Ray Nagin.

Good luck, dude.

Then again, construction work cnanot happen if some trigger happy latino cowboy is gonna come with his posse and start robbing you at gun point for your equipment ???

I would personally have no problem with Humvees, or M1As for that matter,I do nothing illegal and I like military hehe, so whats to worry aobut they come in the with hammer of god and bring back law and order as the PD rebuilds etc to take over when its ready

Did he ask for "chocolate" troops?????

Sorry for the oneliner....

From www.deathpenaltyinfo.org

NATIONWIDE MURDER RATES, 1995-2004
MURDER RATES PER 100,000 PEOPLE

Louisiana - 2004-12.7, 2003-13.0, 2002-13.2, 2001-11.2, 2000-12.5, 1999-10.7,
1998-12.8, 1997-15.7, 1996-17.5, 1995-17.0

According to a story on ABCNews.com there have been 53 murders in so far in 2006 in a city at 1/2 it's population (approx 232,500) for a current murder rate (assuming my calulations are correct) of 22.8!! The actual number is probably higher since I doubt the population has been at this level all year.

While I may not agree that the national guard is the best solution, something needed to be done. Mr. Nagin seems incapable of handling this on his own.

That sound you hear is the citizens of New Orleans slapping their heads at realization that they've re-elected Mayor "do-nothing" Nagin!

Originally posted by yuanshao101
Then again, construction work cnanot happen if some trigger happy latino cowboy is gonna come with his posse and start robbing you at gun point for your equipment ???

I would personally have no problem with Humvees, or M1As for that matter,I do nothing illegal and I like military hehe, so whats to worry aobut they come in the with hammer of god and bring back law and order as the PD rebuilds etc to take over when its ready

Nothing at all wrong with bringing in the military; sorry if I sounded otherwise.

Bring them in as long as it takes to restore law and order.

Like they say, sometims you have to hit a mule between the eyes with a two-by-four to get it's attention. Whatever it takes.

According to Sky News, it would appear that they are definately sending troops in.

www.sky.com...

CX.

Originally posted by DontTreadOnMe
I guess I'm missing something here. The pre-Katrina police force was about 1750, and now it is 1375. Okay, that's a big drop, but the populations dropped to about half of 465,000
So, the police presence should be sufficient, no???

First is that 1375 the number of Police officers or the number of employees in the Police department?

If it is the number of Police officers, how many are actual patrol officers? There is so much administrative overhead these days that if you are lucky 1/3 of that number are actual patrol officers. Lets call it 460 patrol officers. By the time that number is split into shifts it gets real thin real fast.

Yep, troops are definitely coming in. Today there will be 100 National Guard in along with 60 State Police. Then there will be a supplemental group of 200 Guard in the following days. Currently the claim is that they won't be in the inhabited areas. So I suppose they are going to shoot gators in the areas where no one lives.

We elected this mess of a mayor, I suppose now it is time to fix it. I personally believe that each and every last officers should be fired, if they feel they can't do their jobs. They have training, good training. They have the means at their disposal to do their jobs, but it is almost like a small mafia in itself. You give them free food, they watch your business. You make them pay for the food, they won't show if you call them (sometimes at all). Would you hire a bread baker at your restaurant if it meant you would have to hire 5 other people to come in and measure his flour?

We'll see the political turmoil that this will bring out.

Originally posted by JIMC5499
First is that 1375 the number of Police officers or the number of employees in the Police department?

Many of those on desk jobs are actually trained and capable to go out into the field if need be. In fact, the 8th District captain here has personally told me months ago that he was going to pull these guys out to patrol. Never did it. Then we had the time period when the police chief decided that he was going to have his officers stand at busy intersections to wave at tourists. This was going to improve the public image.

While they have been flip-flopping in what needs to be done, they haven't done anything that they should have done, in my opinion. I see the point of them being spread thin Jim, that actually is the way it goes. It does not help, however, when I go around and see them lounging around together in cafes, smoking and goofing off together for hours. Even if they were writing reports, I would understand completely, but if you're talking about how you "broke the bed" last night, I don't think that's police work.

I have lived in a suburb of New Orleans all of my life, have a few connections, and have a few friends on the police force. For one the population is greatly exaggerated, there still no place for 200k people to live in the city, in the suburbs possibly but in the city, no chance in hell. Work has barely begun to fix damaged houses, the construction crews are mainly focused on Metairie and Kenner houses that got flooded.
That being said, the crime in New Orleans and its surrounding areas has always been scary I have had a gun on my desk since I was 18 while working in New Orleans East. But right now there many gang wars starting to bud up. I think Ray is trying to stop this before it becomes like Chicago in the Mafia wars.
This crime is coming from the influx of a Latin American population as well as many hardened criminals returning from Houston (yes the same ones that brought their crime rate up exponentially.) Right now the drug trade is doing extremely well because more and more people are trying to escape the hardships of rebuilding ones life and in doing so have turned to drugs.
The police force is lacking greatly, they will not go if called into certain areas unless you know someone. Most of the police left are under paid and still suffering from PTSD from Katrina. The few new recruits are still wet behind the ears and aren’t hardened yet from being on the streets of New Orleans for a while. While the more experienced police officers are finding more lucrative jobs else where, basically leaving New Orleans police officers to fight with a rusty knife in a gun fight. Although I hate to say it Chocolate Ray-Ray is doing the right thing right now. As long as it does not infringe on my rights as a citizen I am all for it. I honestly hope he gives them shot to kill orders when confronting a violent piece of **** like he did in Katrina.


Oh and everything you originally hear on the news about the days after Katrina was true. But they only covered 5% of what really happened, that’s according to my police friends.

i for one think that the national guard should go down there or atleast establish a bigger police force. My Father lives down in new orleans and i for one dont want to see anything happen to him.

Why the hell are people murdering each other its so stupid...i wish i could show the murderers a thing or too.

ATSGuy, if your dad has been living down here and didn't have any severe destruction to his home, than more that likely he is living in a safer part of the city that was left relatively unscathed by floodwaters.

What you said though, is what bothers me the most in one respect. The motivation out of this is fear, and fear is what can be played upon in so many ways. Let me pose this question, now that I have more information on the subject.

First off, the National Guard are now here. They are here because the police could not curb the recent surge of violent crimes. The police now are going to be put into the neighborhoods where people live, while the Guard are going to be in the uninhabited areas of the city. The police were unable to perform their duties, regardless of reasoning, they were not. So how exactly is this going to be a solution to violent crime when you are sticking the same people that were losing the battle directly into it?

There are many vantages to look at this from, and I have yet to find a truly logical explanation. It is one thing to just say "it's great that they're here." It is quite another to say "they are here for the right reasons." During the election for mayor, the FEMA director for our area was at Nagin's campaign HQ endorsing Nagin for the job! There is a stinky smelly fish somewhere, and it is not left over from the floodwaters, either.

So, how long are the Guard supposed to stay there? A month? A year?

They need to do the long term fix, like make the PD a true PD. The Guard can help out in the short term but it's only a bandage approach.

Why do the people of this country keep re-electing retards?
Is the population retarded too? Why do we re-elect boneheads that make idiots of themselves in office, cause scandal, blame everything on everyone else?
IMHO, the only reason they brought Nagin back was to appease the blacks (hell, it was the black vote that brought him back anyway - see what happens when you vote based soley on skin color???). Could there be any other reason??? Don't people learn by their mistakes anymore? Well, this one was a big mistake, and once again New Orleans will pay for it.

What that hell hole needs right now is another Category 3-5 hurricane..............problem solved.

[edit on 20-6-2006 by zerotolerance]