Martians

Originally posted by johnlear
Just as people from Venus look almost identical to us.

You do know that statement will add another 15 pages to this thread

Originally posted by bramski

Originally posted by johnlear
Just as people from Venus look almost identical to us.

You do know that statement will add another 15 pages to this thread

Lets hope that those 15 pages contain well thought out ideas not based on second hand infomration from NASA.

Lets hope that we can look at the issue of Venus and speculate if a planet that similar to us could have:

An atmosphere of sulphuric acid
A pressure of 90 bars
A temperature of 800 degrees
A surface of molten lava
Continuous lightnig

That doesn't even sound logical. That sounds like someone said, "We need to come up with a description of Venus that would preclude anybody EVER thinking there was even a remote possibility of life there.

Originally posted by bramski

Originally posted by johnlear
Just as people from Venus look almost identical to us.

You do know that statement will add another 15 pages to this thread

No "S"! I'm not even going to try that one.

As for shields covering mars, why the need? What ever happened to good old fashioned camo netting?

Wouldn't you think a shield with enough power to cloak an entire planet would somehow be detectable by modern instruments? Heck, astronomers detect distant objects by the faintest of signals. Sure, within the visible wavelength you could maybe fool someone, but I don't know about the rest of the spectrum.

actually have something to do with the original poster's opening post and query.


No offence.

Originally posted by justgeneric

The thread has sort of mutated to something entirely different...

Yes it has and that's okay.

Originally posted by justgeneric
Sooo...I'm done with the thread...irritated and disappointed really.

Glad to see you're really not.

The ensuing conversation has obviously been extremely interesting to your fellow Members, that is why the site is here you know. I assure you I've enjoyed it.

Springer...

So, Mr. Lear..
What exactly do you know about Venus that no one else seems to? Where have you received this information about Venus and it's inhabitants?

but when I originall clicked onto _Raider_'s post it was because I was mildly interested in his topic. The idea of shields on Mars...really reminded me of an episode of Star Trek ( a favorite of mine).

Yes it has become something totally different and if you say it's fine it must be.

You know it's a popular thread - regardless of the fact it is a good 13 pages off topic

Now if John were to start up his own thread on his Marsian opinions that would be great! It would definitely be a hopping place to post

You know no one's heard from _raider_ since page one...while John's opinions are definitely interesting - is the OP pleased that his topic and discussion have taken this swing?

I do not intend this to detract from anything John says...just pointing out that the thread was started by another who hasn't appeared since John's popularity took root and it became a Lear Q & A (Which if John would like to post some of his thoughts on Mars and the Space programs and NASA (hee hee) in his own thread - I have no doubt it would be awesome.

I thought the idea of shields on mars was cool and deserved to be discussed at length or as many threads do...to die a rightfully quiet death

Again no offence intended...just MHO and I'd hate for a thread of mine to become someone elses, where my original topic is lost entirely.

My gonna get banned for saying this?

Now I am done with the thread - as it appears _Raider_ is as well.

I'm hitting the post button right....now!

MrPenny-

Wouldn't you think a shield with enough power to cloak an entire planet would somehow be detectable by modern instruments?

Thats a good point but mayhaps the shield also hides the energy signature. If you were gonna go to all the trouble of shielding the planet from visual observation wouldn't you also include some sort of energy damping. Or maybe the energy source could be stored underground where the only way to detect it would be a seismic device(which would have to actually be on the surface of the planet). As far as I know we don't posess the technology to detect seismic activity at that sort of distance without placing a probe on the planet. I could be wrong though.

Justgeneric, if you feel there is nothing else here for you then thats ok. I think your posts have been valuable. Keep us on track.
Not gonna touch the Venus statement. My views are clear. If you make a statement of fact you should provide evidence/proof. Not to mention it's against the T&C to knowingly post false information. Especially such absurd hogswallow.

Consider the scope of the electromagnetic spectrum employed by astronomers and cosmologists in their far-flung explorations. From microwave all the way to the portion that is beyond our visual accuity.

The energy needed to generate a planet-wide cloak in all of the detectable frequencies is mind-boggling. Keep in mind, this hypothetical cloak isn't simply a one-dimensional holographic image of some sort.

Forget the Rovers, pretend we're being completely fooled and they are simply trundling around New Mexico. This hypothetical cloak is also fooling earthbound instruments that can measure the height of mountains on distant planets. Add that kind of trickery to the 24/7/365 power consumption.

Finally, all of that blather aside, why? It's not that we're likely to start jumping the border like galactic immigrants and taking low wage jobs the Martians don't want to perform. We're pretty much Earthbound for awhile, regardless of any fictional 'space fleet' visiting the cosmos.

Originally posted by justgeneric
You know no one's heard from _raider_ since page one...while John's opinions are definitely interesting - is the OP pleased that his topic and discussion have taken this swing?
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One would think if he wasn't he would make it known. Considering the title is simply "martians" and the conversation has primarily been about Mars, except for a few "personality focused" posts, I don't see the problem.

Springer...

How bout this-
They just don't want us botherin them. Or knownin they're there.
Haven't a couple of that disreputable space orgs vehicles gone missing in the area of Mars? Or maybe that ain't the truth either. [sarcasm]After all we can't believe anything they say.[/sarcasm]
Btw we didn't go to the moon either. That was just a billion dollar prank to make us think......well.....to make us think.......um. Who cares what the motive was, it worked. Folks think we went to the moon and thats all that counts.
That whole motive thing has me confused.

Motive, hmmmm. I figure if you have the technology to accomplish a planet-wide cloak, you shouldn't be particularly worried about a society that ranges from Hummer driving, gas grill cookin' nebbishes....to nearly Stone Age tribes just now being introduced to the modern world.

You never can tell though. That's why they're called aliens after all.

Good point.
Actually my motive comment was meant more in reference to certain unnamed federal space orgs and why they would tell tall tales to the general public.
Since some people seem to think [name withheld] isn't telling the public the whole truth in regards to our forays into the great wide open I wonder what the motive would be.
If the [name withheld] knew there were indeed some sort of intelligent life on Mars what would be the purpose of decieving Joe Q with false data?
I don't think [name withheld] are the only ones studying the Red planet. Wouldn't independent researchers be able to verify or refute the general consensus?
Oh wait. I just remembered. MIB.
Dang, foiled again.

If something or someone went to all the trouble to "Cloak Planets" just so that we here on the third rock from the Sun ( highly generous of them BTW to let us have the Island paradise that is Earth ) just so we will not see them. Isn't it kinda foolish if that is the case to spend the last 200 years or so flying around in Self Luminous craft that we can all see?

That sorta defeats the whole purpose of those "Cloaked Planets" wouldn't it?

Silly Martians , Cloaking Tricks are for Kids!



[edit on 22-6-2006 by lost_shaman]

You're assuming the unidentified ovoids are Martian in origin.
That's a pretty broad assumption.
Maybe some of them are. Maybe none of them are. Noone knows.
It's just as likely they're military stealth blimps.

Originally posted by johnlear
Lets hope that those 15 pages contain well thought out ideas not based on second hand infomration from NASA.

I agree. Mr Lear, do you have anything to say about the sophistication of the aliens' ability to fake photographic imagery or digital telemetry? How did they make the pictures of venus look so real? Also, how does NASA effect its coverup internally? Is there a "Shadow NASA" working astride the public NASA? If a hundred laptops from NASA were lost/stolen, what are the chances of REAL venusian imagery being on one of them, for example?

Lets hope that we can look at the issue of Venus and speculate if a planet that similar to us could have:

An atmosphere of sulphuric acid
A pressure of 90 bars
A temperature of 800 degrees
A surface of molten lava
Continuous lightnig

But couldn't those conditions exist on a planet so close to the sun? Are Earth-like conditions are the norm? Why not a hell-hole or ice-planet with many many clouds? How bright can it be on Venus since the cloud cover is so thick?


[edit on 22-6-2006 by smallpeeps]

Originally posted by longhaircowboy

It's just as likely they're military stealth blimps.

Most if not all of the good Unknown cases exhibit qualities and characteristics that allow for Blimp Technology to be excluded. And since its not hard to find good UFO reports dating back to the 1780's its certain that Military Stealth Blimps are not the cause of any of those sightings.

Originally posted by longhaircowboy

You're assuming the unidentified ovoids are Martian in origin.

Oh that's right they could also be from "Cloaked" Mercury , "Cloaked" Venus, "Cloaked" Jupiter , "Cloaked" Saturn, "Cloaked" Neptune, "Cloaked" Uranus, "Cloaked" Pluto, or any of the "Cloaked" Moons in our Solar System too.

But your right LHC its never a good idea to simply make broad assumptions and we do not know , so its much easier ( and correct IMO ) to just argue the Extraterrestrial Hypothesis ( ETH ) for the UFO Phenomena.



[edit on 22-6-2006 by lost_shaman]

Hey generic, Are you missing all the posts about "shields" and "cloaking" of mars?

I am seeing them all over the place.

As for that skull on the planet surface, I am intriuged. Thanks for the link on this!

I have to say that after viewing many of those images I can see where the viewer can be manipulated to see what is being professed. However, some of this stuff just can’t be argued.

There is something there!