Martians

Originally posted by Spiderj
Gee John,

Thanks for pointing that out because I only read it real carefully not real, real, real carefully.

This part of your post below is actually what my questions were referring to John. It sounds like you met with this man at your house, did you or did you not.

If so what about him made you believe him considering you never actually saw anything other than drawings.

I have been more than well mannered here and I would hope my reputation on this board for being polite and tolerant speaks for itself.

I think you may want to reconsider your real, real, real, condescending attitude about someone who simply asks you a very simple question in a very polite way.

Originally posted by johnlear
Here's what I know about Dulce. In the latter part of 1987 I met with several other UFO researchers in Crestone, Co. There were about 10 of us trading information. Besides myself was Linda Howe, Tom Adams, Gary (whatsiname) Chris Lambright and a few others...Tom Adams handed me a letter he had received from somebody in Las Vegas who had some information about an underground base named Dulce...Tom gave the letter to me to follow up because I lived in Vegas. A week or so later I made the contact and invited this person to my home.

So again I ask what made you believe this man if in the end you never saw anything. Sorry, person what did this man or woman tell you. I'm glad you focused on my use of man instead of person because that was obviously the most important part of my post.

see we can all be sarcastic and condescending instead of polite but isn't polite better?

Spiderj

Please accept my apologies Spiderj. On reading my post I was sarcastic and condescending instead of polite. You are correct polite is better. I went to get my truck smogged and during the 'high power' part the pulley for the harmonic balance/stabilization unit on the V-10 broke off, throwing the serpentine belt into the hood. The engine instantly overheated and dumped antifreeze all over the smog place. I let it cool down and limped across the street to the K-Mart parking lot with no brakes and almost no steering. I bought a bottle of water at 7/11 and started walking home. It was 107 in Vegas. My wife was flying back from Galveston so no help there. I got a few blocks and decided to stick out my thumb like in high school. Some guy stopped and when I got in he was laughing, "I haven't seen anybody hitch hike in 20 years." I told him I hadn't hitch hiked in 50 years. He took me home and I got my wifes car and a friend and we went down and took out all the tools and valuables because it was too late to tow it to the repair shop and it was going to have to stay in the K-mart parking lot all night. I finally got home and then had to go to the airport and pick up my wife. Then when I finally got home again I checked the ATS posts. I should have waited until I cooled off.

So again I ask what made you believe this man if in the end you never saw anything. Sorry, person what did this man or woman tell you. I'm glad you focused on my use of man instead of person because that was obviously the most important part of my post.

You know what spiderj? You just hadda be there.

Sometimes it all boils down to you had to be there and I'll accept that and your apology.

As for the car thing...the aliens make more sense to me.

If my car ever breaks down outside of my cell phone coverage and AAA I'm doomed.

Spiderj

Originally posted by longhaircowboy
As for the Et flesh eaters. I did post the pertinent passage in response to another poster who couldn't be bothered to read the link or else didn't comprehend what it said.

If you are referring to me, then please pipe down with your remarks regarding 'not bothering to read / comprehend'. There is NO reference whatsoever on that page to "eating", nor "Martians". You created a headline-grabbing tag line to ridicule the subject. If you bothered to read the link, you'll see it has absolutely nothing to do with 'eating' at all but more to do with absorbing human genetic material, experiments.. call them what you will.

When you say "And do you still buy into the human eating Martians.." on page 9, and expect www.ufomind.com... as your source of verification, it showcases your inherent bereftness of comprehension skills more than mine. And more importantly, a display of ignorance of the wider issues surrounding the phenomena.. abductee's experiences for example. Does this mean they are flat-out lying (or basketcase nutty?) when they say they have had brutal 'lucky escape' experiences happen to them? Dulce, mutilations.. the huge amount of missing people around the world.. to offhandedly dismiss this material is almost as criminal as dismissing the ufology field as a whole. Where do you stand on this matter then? Do you think ET are here for benevolent reasons? Is this why you think the whole 'anal probe' thing is a bunch of old cobblers?

Be careful what you say. Beware of your own words coming back to bite you on the backside!

[edit on 20-6-2006 by RiotComing]

Venus And Mars Are Alright Tonight

Never mind the Martians, let's try not to eat each other.

I see a lot of feathers being ruffled and it makes the haibane in my avatar nervous. ^

^

Please try to go easy on each other, and remember that anyone you can talk to in an in-depth and matter-of-fact way about Martians can't be all bad.

Originally posted by Majic
Venus And Mars Are Alright Tonight

Fantastic album.. Paul McCartney and Wings have always been one of my favourite bands. Being just a kid at the time, it was actually that album and the leaflets, posters and stickers inside that gave me an interest in astronomy and ufos and the ancients. The song 'Spirits of Ancient Egypt' from the Venus and Mars album, and later Alan Parsons Project's 'Pyramid' were what got me interested in Egyptology and the unknown.

Sorry for that diversion.. brought back memories of a couple of my fave records! And by the way, I meant no animosity with my last post.. just felt I had to defend myself as I was being painted as some sort of gormless airhead when all I want is for JL to continue posting and we can all enjoy reading his anecdotes and what he has to say. I'm sure we are all capable of critical thinking for ourselves and could do without the hecklers jeering from the sidelines.

Here's some of the drawings from the Matrix incase anyone is interested. I can post up more, there's ones with ET's in some sort of Vat or life support and various others.

Originally posted by johnlear
Originally posted by nyk537

Mr. Lear, I had a question regarding your confirmation of alien bases in the ocean. What kinds of bases are these, and for what race/species of alien? I have heard of this before but have never really seen anything extremely convincing. Anything would be of great help. Thanks.

Sorry nyk537, I have no convincing infomration about alien bases in the ocean. But they're there.

That's convincing enough for me.

Heck I'll even buy into that. No other place on Earth can provide such cover. I once read about these cigar shaped UFOs possibly being modified submarines maybe someone can confirm or deny that.

Regarding Dulce, I think there has to be some truth in what John is saying. Maybe in it’s entirety but the way he relates how it was told to him just gives the impression that odds are Dulce is there and there have been many unbelievable events taking place there.

John, if we are to believe that these Aliens are in control then logic would tell you that they could pull the plug on this planet whenever they chose to do so. Most likely with a globe killer asteroid or something so they could all vacate before the big bang.

What is your opinion on this?

Also, if the Aliens that work on this planet are some kind of combination organic/synthetic deal then I wonder why they couldn't get what they need in some synthetic form. It just doesn't make much sense that they would be so advanced and still depend on siphoning an enzyme from human tissue. That’s the kind of thing you would read in a fictional story as motive for them being here. Maybe I'm not reading it correctly though.

Do you have any other info on the alien biology?

Alright, I think it's about time some of you guys start to cut Mr. Lear a little slack on this whole Dulce thing. He has been gracious enough to share what he knows with us and for some it is still not good enough. I personally believe he his sharing what he knows with us completely. What reason would he have to hide things from us here? It is obvious that there can "most likely" never be any "proof" as to what actually happened, but the insights given to us by Mr. Lear are wonderful. Even if he were to post something with specific names, dates, locations, etc., the ones who doubt him would still doubt him.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying to accept everything he says without thought or questioning. All I'm saying is we should at least give it the thought and discussion it deserves before jumping to conclusions about his comments.

Having said that, may I suggest we give Mr. Lear the thanks he deserves for sharing as much as he has, and hopefully will continue, to share with us.

Originally posted by Kancho
Heck I'll even buy into that. No other place on Earth can provide such cover. I once read about these cigar shaped UFOs possibly being modified submarines maybe someone can confirm or deny that.

Hello Kancho,


I don't think they are modfied submarines as much as they are vehicles that can move/travel through any medium including water, rock, dirt and air. I remember being hired by a dentist from Cedar City, Ut. to fly him around behind the mountains west of Harmony, Ut. The previous day he had seen an enormous saucer descend vertically at great speed behind these mountains. He said there is no way it didn't crash. We flew around for an hour or so right where he thought it happened and saw no trace of any crash. It was all fresh snow too, so any crash of any kind would have been readily apparent. Your reference to a cigar shaped/modified submarine brings to mind the story that Bill Cooper told (one of the few that I think were true) that while he was aboard a submarine while in the Navy he saw a cigar-shaped object rise out of the sea, turn end over end and then drop back into the sea,

JL thank you for your patience with even the most "vigiliant" minded...
I understand that this info is presented as educated personal experience "opinion" rather than proven fact with evidence. (we have to distinguish that for our ATS proof minded friends)

I have only one more thing to ask about dulce (seriously... just one)
Have you heard any information that would specify that Dulce was in fact, in Dulce New mexico... rather than it being a misnomer nickname for a base located elsewhere? (perhaps in the vague area of the town Dulce) or maybe an originally misunderstood name of Dugway- in neighboring Utah?

I am refering to the one source that speculated that it was at area 51.

I guess, i am merely asking you to go over in your memories, and see if there was anything more than that name, that placed the base location...

Did you ever get a concensus from your sources as to it being in "Dulce NM"

In return for your gracious answer, I will be glad to send you some home made brownies... with fudge icing...

Thank you again, for being part of the discussion here on ATS.

Originally posted by johnlear

I don't think they are modfied submarines as much as they are vehicles that can move/travel through any medium including water, rock, dirt and air. I remember being hired by a dentist from Cedar City, Ut. to fly him around behind the mountains west of Harmony, Ut. The previous day he had seen an enormous saucer descend vertically at great speed behind these mountains. He said there is no way it didn't crash. We flew around for an hour or so right where he thought it happened and saw no trace of any crash. It was all fresh snow too, so any crash of any kind would have been readily apparent. Your reference to a cigar shaped/modified submarine brings to mind the story that Bill Cooper told (one of the few that I think were true) that while he was aboard a submarine while in the Navy he saw a cigar-shaped object rise out of the sea, turn end over end and then drop back into the sea,

Thank you JL for your repsonse. However a question popped up as I read your response. Have you ever been able to draw a link between the Harmony, UT siting and possible underground facilities in the area? or anything else for that matter? perhaps that would better explain why the saucer dissapeared. Its the first time I hear about a vehicle being able to travel through rock

Originally posted by LazarusTheLong


Thanks Lazarus.

I have only one more thing to ask about dulce (seriously... just one)
Have you heard any information that would specify that Dulce was in fact, in Dulce New mexico... rather than it being a misnomer nickname for a base located elsewhere? (perhaps in the vague area of the town Dulce) or maybe an originally misunderstood name of Dugway- in neighboring Utah?

Dulce is in New Mexico and it is inside of Mt. Archuletta or very nearby. Thats where the guard said it was. Thats were Gabe Valdez thinks it is. Thats where Bennewitz said it was. Thats where I think it is. Having said all that, that doesn't mean its there.
Dugway, in my opinion, is mainly concerned with bio-warfare. (But, to be fair, this has been suggested for Dulce as well.)

I am refering to the one source that speculated that it was at area 51

.

No, Dan Burisch said he got in an airplane at Area 51 to go to Dulce.

I guess, i am merely asking you to go over in your memories, and see if there was anything more than that name, that placed the base location...

Went over memories again. Dulce is inside Mt. Archuletta or very nearby.

Did you ever get a concensus from your sources as to it being in "Dulce NM"

Yes, definately.

In return for your gracious answer, I will be glad to send you some home made brownies... with fudge icing...

OK, I am waiting. Oh, no 'tricky' stuff in the brownies, I am too old for that. Thanks.

Originally posted by jbondo

John, if we are to believe that these Aliens are in control then logic would tell you that they could pull the plug on this planet whenever they chose to do so. Most likely with a globe killer asteroid or something so they could all vacate before the big bang. What is your opinion on this?

They could but they wouldn't. They've got too much invested in us. They are going to protect us at any cost.

Also, if the Aliens that work on this planet are some kind of combination organic/synthetic deal then I wonder why they couldn't get what they need in some synthetic form. It just doesn't make much sense that they would be so advanced and still depend on siphoning an enzyme from human tissue. That’s the kind of thing you would read in a fictional story as motive for them being here. Maybe I'm not reading it correctly though.

I wrote that in 1988. I now believe it was disinformation. I don't believe that they are here for 'help' in the continuation of their existance. But that in fact is what is going to be coming down the disinformation pike very shortly.

Do you have any other info on the alien biology?

Leonard Stringfield had a little information on alien biology. Check online to see if any of his stuff has been posted.

Thanks John, I know I'm notorious for injecting quite allot of useless lead in but I appreciate your taking the time to read and respond.

Mr. Lear-
Glad to see your finally coming to some correct conclusions. And thanks for the recommend, when do I start?
I think you missed my retraction of the martian statement(it's ok though cause others did too) so here goes again.
My use of the term martian was wrong, I was trying to stick with the thread topic. I should have used the more generic ET. And in subsequent posts I did.
Thanks for taking the time to post here.

RiotComing- If you felt I was being derogatory then your mistaken. I was merely trying to suggest why you may have missed something. I don't think what I said was any worse than calling someone a heckler when In fact that person is someone who has invested a lot of time(bout 30 years) researching UFOs. I'm not skeptical of UFOs I'm skeptical of UFO claims. I want them to be real. And they are. UFOs are real. But after all this time and study I'm no closer to saying they're ET than I am to saying their man made. There just simply is no conclusive proof to point in any direction. Anyone who says there is is fooling themselves and anyone else that buys it.(notice I used the word proof not evidence,there's plenty of that)
But they certainly are unidentified.

LHC
i can see that this topic is deeply personal to you... no?
Was your cat abducted by flesh eating aliens?

Remember, THIS thread isn't about showing piccies and posting links...
(at least it isn't now)

it is about hearing about one insiders point of view, and you keep asking him to prove it...
It is HIS point of view, that HE has formed after an even longer time of research into these topics than you have had... (and probably better sources)
And only proof that you admit you dont have, will likely change that...

I guess you are mainly upset that this wasn't your big answer of the century... the total proof...
THAT i can understand... i am sure we all feel the same way...

We all wish that John could just (be able to) poop out some great videos of Aliens dancing on the moon , but- aint gonna happen...

Keep in mind that obviously Johns ideas have changed over the years with new evidence, and might even change again...
Where were his ideas 30 years ago?
Where will your ideas be 30 years from now?

But in truth, John seems like the tough skinned sort, so maybe he enjoys sparring wit h you...

Thank you again John, for sharing your views with us... We appreciate your input.
U2U me with an address to send the brownies, and they will be on the way...

[edit on 20-6-2006 by LazarusTheLong]

Lazarus- You seem to be mistaken on a few things.

Was your cat abducted by flesh eating aliens?

No. T-Bone is resting peacefully at my feet.

Remember, THIS thread isn't about showing piccies and posting links...
(at least it isn't now)

it is about hearing about one insiders point of view, and you keep asking him to prove it...

No that isn't what this thread is about. Here's what it's about

Martians

Me and a friend of mine were discussing aliens a couple weeks back and he said he heard a theory that what if there really were aliens on Mars but they had some sort of "shield" over the planet so we would see nothing except craters and mountains and what if what we saw on TV about the different rovers was actually not real but the aliens manipulating our television waves...I don't know sounds like an interesting idea what do you all think?

The thread title is not let's hear from John Lear. And he's no more an insider than you or I. He merely has a famous name and will swallow any line hook line and stinker. As for me asking for proof.....well he made a couple of statements as fact and I just asked for backup. If you can't prove a claim then don't make it. What's wrong with that?

It is HIS point of view, that HE has formed after an even longer time of research into these topics than you have had... (and probably better sources)
And only proof that you admit you dont have, will likely change that...

That's fine as long as they aren't made as statement of fact. And I have the same sources and somehow my reasonable, logical brain came to a different conclusion. Second and third hand testimony is proof of nothing. It's hearsay. At best it's merely evidence.

I guess you are mainly upset that this wasn't your big answer of the century... the total proof...
THAT i can understand... i am sure we all feel the same way...

I'm not upset, I've known for years now the truth won't be found with Mr. Lear. He's too easily conned(no offense meant).

We all wish that John could just (be able to) poop out some great videos of Aliens dancing on the moon , but- aint gonna happen...

I don't have that wish. I hope all his bowel movements are normal and painless.

Keep in mind that obviously Johns ideas have changed over the years with new evidence, and might even change again...
Where were his ideas 30 years ago?
Where will your ideas be 30 years from now?

Of course and those are 2 good questions. He can answer the first and I will have to ponder the second.

But in truth, John seems like the tough skinned sort, so maybe he enjoys sparring wit h you...

Except I'm not lookin for a fight, just the truth.

And yes this subject is personal to me since I'm probably the last of the independent investigators who actually goes out in the field to research sightings. Ask me to tell ya bout the great MacDill hoax last year(you won't find it on the inet cause only I have the whole story).
Hope that clears up your misconceptions.

Not that he needs me to do it but I for one am going to applaud LHC.

JL and I have decided to agree to disagree and I have decided not to press John because he knows I don't believe and we both decided it's no big deal.

But I do stand in LHC's camp. I don't spend as much time as I used to but I too have been in the field for over fifteen years now and I have not once published because I have nothing that i would consider proof.

I have many files but nothing that I feel would do anything but add fuel to the fire of speculation.

No one on this board is an insider and I think John Lear would agree that he is not one either. LHC is hard nosed and like me wants hard copy verifiable proof.

Say what you want but if you don't think it takes some gumption (that's right I used the word gumption) to keep slugging against the masses like LHC then you're not giving him enough credit.

LHC is obviously more of a soldier while I tend to slide toward diplomat but on an anonymous message board I'll judge LHCs intent not his style.

Here ya go LHC:

You have voted longhaircowboy for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have two more votes this month.

Because sometimes balls count!

In the end it'll be the guys like LHC that break the phenomena wide open.

Just to specify I have no idea who LHC actually is and have never talked to him outside a thread but dang people as mentioned before this isn't john's thread and even john would admit that.

Keep slugging LHC.

SPiderj