The Truth part 2

IF he really is an SP this is not how you handle them. Did you do the PTS/SP course in the past before alterations and the new style of memorization or did you do the alterered robotic version of it and memorized it all to spit it back out.

Did you ever hear of good roads and fair weather?

Barb

Originally posted by jaguarmike
Dear Malpractice,


Thank you for misquoting LightSeeker, lying, and spreading deceit that other's have created mixed in with some of your own. I am surprised people like you can function in society and that 2 out of 10 people will follow an insane anti-social personality. The day Scientology is outlawed is the day, you the SP ant, gets stepped on.

You can not debate me on the facts that Scientology works completely. You yourself can't even buy a book at the bookstore. Can't complete a cycle of action can you?

The only people who get hurt by Scientology "emotionally, mentally, and financially" are SUPPRESSIVE PEOPLE!! Suppressiv people, or SP's, get angry and upset and break things when they get better! This is why they create those stupid websites, this is why they are such losers. SP's are true losers.

Get out of here with your nonsense.



Despite this negativity from Malpractice and the confusion of others, my message is strong: buy a book, read it, and come back and tell me what you think of it and if it works. Let's open up some discussion.

[edit on 16-6-2006 by jaguarmike]

[edit on 21-6-2006 by TKheinsa]

How do you know he is suppressive.

Did you take the 12 charactics and compare to his whole life. And did you take the 12 good characterics and compare them to his whole life.

You follow that the SP is the boogey man. You are PTS and do not even know it.

SP's have the church if you have noticed.

Barb

Originally posted by jaguarmike
Malpractice,

Brainwashed? I have removed the brainwashing that normal people go through via the internet, media, human religions, and the government throughout their lives. No reality? I have more reality than most people because of the knowledge I have gained- 97 1/2% of the population can be just like me and even ten times better (except for Suppressives... the 2 1/2%). Need to show humility? No time for useless human emotion pal- time is ticking and my game is big.

Scientology works, I have used it, it is GOLDEN.

You are a Suppressive Person. You must live a horrible existance- when was the last time you felt happiness? When was the last time you felt love? When was the last time you did something for other people? Ask yourself those questions, I know you come up with blanks. You come up with blanks becaue you view life as everyone drowning in a pool of water... with you needing to climb up on top of the masses so they drown and not you. You're the scum of the planet, and you are unable to see it. I feel empathy for you, but I have to say with the track record of people like you throughout history doing horrible and vile things, it is a struggle to show empathy.

Genghis Khan, Ivan the Terrible, countless government's in history, Stalin, Hitler, Grey aliens... all SP/PTS. This is just in the last flash in the pan of true history... it goes back longer than you would expect.

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Everyone else:

Do not listen to people against Scientology, there is a reason they are against it, and I have explained earlier in my post before any negativity started, defined as Suppressive Persons. They are scum of the earth, and are the one's like Hitler... funny how he compares myself and my group as "Nazi's." The horrible part about Suppressive People is they can't see it! They believe they are sane, and everyone else on the planet is insane. If you just wondered if you might be suppressive, don't worry, you are not. Self-criticism is a trait Suppressives cannot do. Doctor, All your allegations are lies, and you and people like you will never win by keeping humanity down, especially while i'm on this planet. Your war was over before it even started.


Buy the book, "The Scientology Handbook" and debate me on the facts of Scientology. The information is fact and works in life- you will see for yourself. Scientology technology WORKS.

Go to your local Church of Scientology and talk to the people there about informing you of what Scientology can do for you.





[edit on 16-6-2006 by jaguarmike]

[edit on 21-6-2006 by TKheinsa]

I have been in the church for a long time and to my viewpoint I am more OT than the current church OT's.

It is sad to see a person so much for the tech to be so brainwashed. You have had reverse Scientology used on you.

OT'S in the church for the most part can't do what the PR says they can.

More spiritual research is probably still needed to get to the end of that road.

Barb

Originally posted by jaguarmike

Originally posted by dAlen

Originally posted by jaguarmike

-Our souls are alien souls... I.E. we are all aliens trapped in these bodies
-Our soul is immortal and records everything we experience.

Look in science...there is no soul...as of yet. There may be, but how would you feel if I said once you die your like a drop of water in the sea...your particles spread out everywhere...and you can call it reincarnation as bits of you feed earthworms, other bits make the flowers grow.

What if thats it for you? NO ONE has PROOF of life after death. sorry, all is hope and stories cause none of us can fess up and say we are scared of the potential that we will go back into nothingness which we came.

Old wise solomon...read his stuff...he said enjoy life, as afterwards you wont know a thing as you will be in the grave.

As for immortality, it may be possible, but you better figure it out before the earth worms get you.
As I posted somewhere else, even if someone were to clone you, would it be the same true essence? If you have a soul, than I guess not.

Something for us all to ponder.

peace

dalen

We are all thetans trapped into human bodies. There are people walking around that are operating as their thetans while still controlling their bodies. The things they can do are literally out of this world, amazing, and would make your jaw drop. To heck with modern day science, it is useless- figure out your recorded time track for millions of years and you'll remember better science and technology. Soloman was right, you need to enjoy your life, because afterwards you get sent to a Thetan processing base, memory erased, implanted, and brainwashed.

Ever wonder why people cry when other's die? Think it is just because they miss the person? The whole experience is not good.

for more info on this, read "The History of Man" by LRH or listen to the videocassette "Between Lives Implants"

Deleted double post.

[edit on 21-6-2006 by TKheinsa]

A good post and so very true.

Barb

Originally posted by Duzey

Originally posted by jaguarmike
I never called you an SP. From what I understand the alterations were small, and from LRH making jokes that to a bad person could be manipulated or misused. Contradiction? Yes, but people make mistakes, and people make good decisions, who am I to judge that action made by a high-level OT.

Yes people do make mistakes, but there are not only just small changes, but deletions of LRH's words.

Originally posted by jaguarmike
As for me responding to questions I don't like and that saying something about Scn, I am not Scientology. My name is Mike, and I speak for Mike. I am not high up in Scn. I don't make decisions for them. I am just a regular guy named Mike who isn't even clear. I won't respond to questions that are obviously slander, lies, and deceit created by these 2 1/2% of insane violent people running all over society.

See, through the beauty of comm we are getting somewhere. Most of the people on this forum have not had an opportunity to talk to a Scientologist within the church. To them, you do represent Scientology. How you behave, like it or not, reflects on Scientology simply because you are the one who brought it up and you are a member.

You're not the only Scientologist on this board, but the rest of them use a little more tact when refuting claims. It must be all the comm courses they have taken.

It's nice to know you don't consider me an SP, because I'm not. I have no problem with the tech or people that use the tech, it can be a useful set of tools. I don't like the church, but just as you are not Scientology, neither is the church. The tech is Scientology.

Being a pre-clear, it is interesting that you know about the alien origins. That is to be reserved for OT3 and higher. Did you know that according to the church, you should be dying from some deadly flu-like illness by now?

I'm curious, might I ask how long have you been involved with Scientology?



[edit on 16-6-2006 by Duzey]

So TKheinsa are we officially SP's as jaguarmike has accused us of? I mean we had to form a club and all...

Originally posted by zorgon
So TKheinsa are we officially SP's as jaguarmike has accused us of? I mean we had to form a club and all...

Yeah. It would be a pity to disband the club now... (Or rather Secret Society... )

This is indeed a very interesting twist in this thread! Two people that support Scientology (or rather the tech/teachings) are now antagonists. Didn't see that one coming.

And TKheinsa makes some very interesting points. JagMike, you should learn from him. Although I'm still not interested in Scientology, TKheinsa makes a good case for Scientology, much better than the method you (JagMike) use. Less personal attacks and belittlement - TKheinsa doesn't believe himself to be better than the rest of us (so far?) - and more Personal experience. None of that "Join the Church and find the truth for yourself" strategy. We get to hear what HE knows and experienced... Look and learn.

The No JaguarMikes or Tom Cruises Allowed club!!!

I doubt it.

You are stating your opinion as you know with the data you have.

The church does such bad that it can't be any other way. The Members of the church is who does the most good. I had had both sides of the coin.

So unless you kick the dog just to have fun and beat your kids up each day you are probably safe. Since you asked I highly doubt it as an SP probabl would not ask.

An SP does damageing things pretending to be help. The resluts of their product is what counts. Speaking one's mind does not qualify.

Some people are just plain messed up and act like an SP but are not because giving the desire they can improve. The Real SP will not improve with any type of counseling but pretend to do so.

Everyone knows how an SP really is in other words and mostly they are callead Toxic people. Well not all toxic people are SP's.

We do not want any which hunts and I feel sorry for the church person. He has a rude awakening comming. It was very hard on me when my awakening came. I am still for the positive teachings in the church so I am in the Freezone.

Boy Mike thinks no one but the church can have standard tech. Well that is impossible and the church's PR brainwashing to say so. So many have left and took the tech with them and are working together to go forward.

About the Xenu story. I thought it was riduclas when I first saw it in a news paper. I when I read the critics still thought it was stupid till I talked to my very Christian friend. All religions have some type of bad spirits in it. So it is another type of story. Weather it is true or not is up in the air. Some freezoner's do not believe it. Some think as long as their personal lives improve it does not matter if it is true.

To me I think there are spirits that are in trouble. The story of how they got that way is up in the air to me.

So it is not important to me. And Mike does have one point this world is a mess and he is doing what he thinks to save everyone. The point even if you think the tech is right there would not be enough time or resoruces to do it all. Most people think it is trash because of the out ethics of the church.

I am not denying what the church does and I am not tossing the baby with the bathwater. (church.) Scien is not the church. I found a lot of wise data there and that is what one keeps.

I have found a few church members are waking up on their own and know what is going on as I posted is true. That is the only hope the mother church has in surviving is that these people will stand and fight the takeover of the church by real SP's

Barb

Originally posted by zorgon
So TKheinsa are we officially SP's as jaguarmike has accused us of? I mean we had to form a club and all...

A slight correction here. I am a she.

There are many of us out here like me. The freezone is full of us. I know many who are smarter than I am and not of the church. When I explain the tech to them they get it easily. A lot more easily than I do.

Forgive Mike, he does think he is trying to save the world. I would take it he just got in not that long ago or he is young. When I was young I did the same. I overwhelmed people with stuff that is not really so.

See the events at the church is filled with this stuff as well as the mags. I saw a lie myself recently in a magazine.

It said that 3 orgs brought in thousands of people and my local org which has been updated was one of them. I knew that is a lie for most times in the past they could not keep heat on, Electric running or a phone. I know better. Myself I thought the higher church were doing as their PR said and I felt when I got there I found fairy tale land. It was like heaven. Heaven has thorns you know. Basically Heaven threw me out to my own hell. God must like me because it was not the hell I thought to be without the church and my eternity is not ended.

I believe the SP's in the church are buying real estate with the local people's money and effort as investments. The local people break their hearts putting together the ideal org and they put so much money and work in it that they do not own the building. It is own by management who do not invest much into it.

The freezone, friends and the counselor helped me to go on and find my proper road still using the tech and following what is true. I still have some church progamming and it is hard to shed but I stomp on it when I find it.

I wish I could get Mike to see truth without the PR stuff. In the church is where I learned to hate PR. IN this world most times it is lies. If it was honest PR then the church would not be going down. I was sent virus in email to my computer by the OSA operatives in the church. Fortunetly for the most part I am not high on their list to shut down. The church members are not allowed to talk to me if you want to know the truth. They break up family's with the SP declares. It should not be going on but it happens often. I suppose I will get my SP declare one day. You know what I doubt it will upset me as much as it would have after I found the truth. I should frame it as my graduation from the church certificate.

T'Kheinsa is a name I took when I wanted to hide from the church. I accidently let me to be known so I no longer hide. I am a Trek fan as well. I played a game as being a Kheinsa which is a Romulan Counselor. Well being in the freezone I thougt it fit.

I am not trained in the church but I know enough to know this person is not running on his own determination. I am surprised by what I did learn. By being tossed by the church I found I knew the tech better because the SP"s have the church and I can see their products. It is a first hand learning expience.

Barb

Originally posted by Gemwolf

Originally posted by zorgon
So TKheinsa are we officially SP's as jaguarmike has accused us of? I mean we had to form a club and all...

Yeah. It would be a pity to disband the club now... (Or rather Secret Society...

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This is indeed a very interesting twist in this thread! Two people that support Scientology (or rather the tech/teachings) are now antagonists. Didn't see that one coming.

And TKheinsa makes some very interesting points. JagMike, you should learn from him. Although I'm still not interested in Scientology, TKheinsa makes a good case for Scientology, much better than the method you (JagMike) use. Less personal attacks and belittlement - TKheinsa doesn't believe himself to be better than the rest of us (so far?) - and more Personal experience. None of that "Join the Church and find the truth for yourself" strategy. We get to hear what HE knows and experienced... Look and learn. [/qu

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[edit on 22-6-2006 by TKheinsa]

I am sorry Tom Cruise has the brainwash as well.

I have read that he gets whatever his heart desires in the church. If he wants a field of flowers to run threw, the head of the church will make the staff work hard to create it for him just to run in with his girl. The pay and conditions these people worked under is illegal but it happens anyhow.

He is not thinking logically. I too am not for the drugs the shrinks put out. I am not against all such docs. There are good one's and bad one's.

I have a sister on such drugs and they have not helped her one bit and probably made her worse.

So to me playing with the mind with drugs is not cool.

Tom is also not thinking for self either. He has some truth and some falsehoods.

I bet once they find out who Mike is they will tell him to go to ethics and forbid him to post here or he will be tossed from the church. But even if that would happen i would be very hard on him at first but he knows of the freezone which I did not when I was tossed for fighting to keep the tech in.

They make it almost impossible to return as well. Now the church has made the freezone enemy #1 because the stats are crashing. Wrong target it is it is because of the out ethics of OSA and mangement as well as the major altering of the teachings.

Favored people in the church with money are allowed to have no confront of life and problems.

I get upset at times and I am busted poor so who wins. I know it was not me. But in the end I will win because I was tossed and found a lot of truth out here and starting to think for self.

Barb

Originally posted by The_Doctor
The No JaguarMikes or Tom Cruises Allowed club!!!

[edit on 22-6-2006 by TKheinsa]

[edit on 22-6-2006 by TKheinsa]

Originally posted by TKheinsa
I am sorry Tom Cruise has the brainwash as well.

I have read that he gets whatever his heart desires in the church. If he wants a field of flowers to run threw, the head of the church will make the staff work hard to create it for him just to run in with his girl. The pay and conditions these people worked under is illegal but it happens anyhow.

He is not thinking logically. I too am not for the drugs the shrinks put out. I am not against all such docs. There are good one's and bad one's.

I have a sister on such drugs and they have not helped her one bit and probably made her worse.

So to me playing with the mind with drugs is not cool.

Tom is also not thinking for self either. He has some truth and some falsehoods.

I bet once they find out who Mike is they will tell him to go to ethics and forbid him to post here or he will be tossed from the church. But even if that would happen i would be very hard on him at first but he knows of the freezone which I did not when I was tossed for fighting to keep the tech in.

They make it almost impossible to return as well. Now the church has made the freezone enemy #1 because the stats are crashing. Wrong target it is it is because of the out ethics of OSA and mangement as well as the major altering of the teachings.

Favored people in the church with money are allowed to have no confront of life and problems.

I get upset at times and I am busted poor so who wins. I know it was not me. But in the end I will win because I was tossed and found a lot of truth out here and starting to think for self.

Barb

Originally posted by The_Doctor
The No JaguarMikes or Tom Cruises Allowed club!!!

[edit on 22-6-2006 by TKheinsa]

[edit on 22-6-2006 by TKheinsa]

I've already done my job here, I got two people that think like me on our side through posting here and openedup a discussion for people who are obsessed with UFO/Aliens and want their truth. I have said no confidential material, and have done a good job explaining.

This was my own origination and I did my duty. Nothing I have said here is against the church at all, I find it odd you would suggest I would be punished... Barb, if what you believe is so true to you, and you say you are a higher/better OT then what the church has to offer, and that "SP's have taken over the church"... then why haven't you done something about it? The fact that you've simply seperated shows your flaw in argument... even if you were simply tossed, there is an ethical way to get back in... if you're not SP.

Another fatal flaw... SP's can't become OT. You mean to tell me that the OT's throughout Scientology would not recognize THEIR LEADER (LRH) or leader here (Miscavige) as a bad one? That is rediculous and shows your lack of knowledge despite how you try to say i'm naive or new to the church. LRH and Miscavige are heroes- that's the bottom line.

You say you get upset sometimes and are busted poor... if you're OT, MEST is no problem to you... why don't you postulate a business and make money. Barb, we're blessed to have Earth be a planet where this tech. was introduced, but you have to realize this is the long haul here- there are many more planets like ours, and although to some it might seem complicated now, the full understanding is not far away to anyone.

And finally, three absolute lies I can't forget... "stats are crashing according to freezone" and "the pay and conditions of the church staff are illegal" and "the church is buying real estate... boohoo donaters their name isn't on the lease"

1) Your Freezone organization is not sanctioned by the Church set up by LRH. If you say it was altered, changed, or "taken over by the real SP's" I say hogwosh to you... you think a high level OT doesn't have connection from LRH right now, and isn't being constantly briefed on what is going on in other planets? Phase 1... Phase 2. The Church stats are not crashing, your information is not yours, and is not handled by the appropriate people as determined by LRH.

2) Church staff work extremely hard and are not money motivated. If they were money motivated, it would be a different scenario entirely. The conditions are completely NOT illegal... you are full of slander and lies.

3) If you are a Scientologist, the Ideal org and ORG is your home. You are welcome there- this is where you go to learn Scientology. I thank the Church for buying real estate... it takes donation to do this, and every check signed is done with a smile and knowingness.



SP's will never win. I'll make sure of that.

Another fatal flaw... SP's can't become OT.

You mean to tell me there is no room for conversion in your church? what kinda dumb Idea is that?

Right and he just proved my point. He can't see for nothing nor will he. He ran but I am going to answer him anyhow.

This is what the church tells him.

The church does not welcome me. Nor will they if they did they would not have tossed me in the first place and used disconnection that almost did me in.

I knew I was wasting my time here but I am here more for you than Mike. I wanted the truth to be put out for all to see. Mike will not see it and if he does he has a hard crash comming. Some do not make it through that crash and does themselves in.

I noticed he said nothing about Jeremy Perkins that I knew that killed his mom.

He ran so his confront on the truth is very very low.

Ron was not SP but the other is highly likely is one. Ron was not perfect either and I do not expect him to be for he did come up with others help a good path for people to follow. The church puts out Promo that says he did everything so perfect and and he did it all but he did not.

See guys I wanted you to know the tech and Scien is not what the critics say it is nor how the church behaves. Mike, I have no hope for right now. The church forbids me to talk to anyone I loved there. I am not even declared as an SP yet. At least that will not be effective in me on control anywhere. My family does not go to the church and I already lost my friends. So I speak when I can to show there are sane people out here. I recently talked to a couple church person who sees the truth of what I said. They are the one's that will reform the church. Now off to answer Mike.


Barb

Originally posted by zorgon

Another fatal flaw... SP's can't become OT.

You mean to tell me there is no room for conversion in your church? what kinda dumb Idea is that?

[edit on 23-6-2006 by TKheinsa]

Originally posted by jaguarmike

I've already done my job here, I got two people that think like me on our side through posting here and openedup a discussion for people who are obsessed with UFO/Aliens and want their truth. I have said no confidential material, and have done a good job explaining.

** You are proving my point in running away. Where is your confront or are you OSA? No, you did not do a good job in expaining. You went out gradient and it is against policy to do so. You could be called up on ethics for going out gradient. The upper levels is not much different than what most church's think and some do get sick before they are ready for them and some do not.

** Your confront is not much higher than the auditor I had.

This was my own origination and I did my duty. Nothing I have said here is against the church at all, I find it odd you would suggest I would be punished... Barb, if what you believe is so true to you, and you say you are a higher/better OT then what the church has to offer, and that "SP's have taken over the church"... then why haven't you done something about it?

** Are doing an admends project and that is why your duty is done? You will be punished for you know of the freezone. See what would happen if you told them you were posting here. I suppose you are so not thinking they might do nothing about it though. I know one who was declared SP just for talking to critics. So I guess you have a lot to learn.

** I have done more about it the takeover than you have. Why do you think I was tossed. I fought for the tech, it's proper use and I was tossed for it. I am not the only one either. Why do you think there is a freezone. It is the result of the alterations and the behavior of the church. If you question anyone on the alterations you will be tossed as well if you persist long enough and try to KSW in. Many have tried and you do not know the history of the church. I am probably much older than you and I was in the church before the takeover so I know what I am talking about. I know and you do not grant me the right to know. You are so taken with the PR of the church you do not think for self. I was suprised they let you post here. Either you are doing an admends project which is highly likely, You are OSA or you are as blind as you are. I am glad I went through that hell of fighting for the tech. I have my church story written up and I let a friend who is knows the tech read it and he said I did right in trying to corrects the outs. I in the ends wasted my time trying to do so. You do not even know what the church does. I did not and it is not lies either that you will be told they are. I lived it so I know. I saw the former course supp take verbal tech and no proof. ASHO broke Policy and tech each time I had auditing. I want you to go find the Ron's original hand written definition for the FN and the 2d changes. If you can find any I will accept it but you will not because there ain't any. I watched church members trying to find them and they could not.

Another fatal flaw... SP's can't become OT. You mean to tell me that the OT's throughout Scientology would not recognize THEIR LEADER (LRH) or leader here (Miscavige) as a bad one? That is rediculous and shows your lack of knowledge despite how you try to say i'm naive or new to the church. LRH and Miscavige are heroes- that's the bottom line.

** I did not say LRH is SP. Where did I say that? You do not know what the leaders have done. Do you know how Ron died and what was done then. Do you know Mary Sue Hubbard died two years ago and the church hides that fact. Do a little research to find out the truth. Facts from agency with proof are freely availble in the public domain.

** You are not niave. You are gullible. I was in the church for 25 years or more so don't tell me how I know the church. I love how you say Miscaviage is a hero. That is how he likes being looked at.

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Originally posted by jaguarmike

Cont post.

** I would not put people pedistals for they often fall off.

You say you get upset sometimes and are busted poor... if you're OT, MEST is no problem to you... why don't you postulate a business and make money.

** Boy are you fooled. And where did I say I was OT? HMMM! In which post? HMM? I have had no auditing for a long time but i have studied to clear up the altered tech I picked up. I learn more out here because it is not altered. How do you know I am not going to make money either? Yeah I am going to pull out my magic wand and create money. The world and postulates do not work that way. Postulates has to be backed up by action. This is how the universe works. I bet you did not know I am an artist. I know you did not know for I did not say that as I did not say I was OT. I am OT to the degree that I work towards my future. Did you ever see an OT do as you think. I myself have done OT things without being OT.


Barb, we're blessed to have Earth be a planet where this tech. was introduced, but you have to realize this is the long haul here- there are many more planets like ours, and although to some it might seem complicated now, the full understanding is not far away to anyone.

** This I mostly agree with but with the way the church is going it is not going to happen. There are about 5-7 billion on this planet and only a few hunderd thousand Scientologist. Maybe a million world wide. With the time left that does not compute with the altered tech.

And finally, three absolute lies I can't forget... "stats are crashing according to freezone" and "the pay and conditions of the church staff are illegal" and "the church is buying real estate... boohoo donaters their name isn't on the lease"

** Sorry I do not lie about the tech. That is church PR that freezone do nothing but lie. You have a lot to figure out and now I am glad I was never as bad off as seeing truth as you did. The worse it is to see the truth the harder it is to fall. Some never see it and I think you may be one of them. I am not going to try to change your mind as it is a waste of my time. I did not want the responders to you think we are all the way you are. I see a few like this in the freezone as well and I told them as well. Most are not thank God. Most want to help and do care for others.

1) Your Freezone organization is not sanctioned by the Church set up by LRH.

** So what if it was not. Ron did not santion DM either and he is running the show. He destoryed the mission network in the early 80's. LRH has been gone for 20 years now. Let's see I guess if I am Christian the only church I would be allowed to go is the Catholic with their permission. So much for the Creed of the church that a person has rights to their own religion. So much for free speech and freedom of religion. This is too also spouted by the church what you said here.

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Originally posted by jaguarmike
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1) Your Freezone organization is not sanctioned by the Church set up by LRH. If you say it was altered, changed, or "taken over by the real SP's" I say hogwosh to you... you think a high level OT doesn't have connection from LRH right now, and isn't being constantly briefed on what is going on in other planets? Phase 1... Phase 2.

** Is that what they are saying to you know? Some OT's may be talking to you. I went though this in the freezone as well. People saying they are talking to Ron. If everyone is talking to Ron how come he does not correct the altered tech? I do not know where Ron is and I am not going to pretend to know what he is doing or where his soul might be. You talk like members of Ron's org in the freezone. Phase one and such things. I am not disagreeing about life on other planets. I tend to follow that there are. I tend to follow a lot on this forum but not all of it is true. Hero worship of OT's is not wise. I also had friends in the church who helped saved my life against policy to do so. Church will not help poor people nor give them auditing. Nor give staff auditing very often. But believe as you will.

The Church stats are not crashing, your information is not yours, and is not handled by the appropriate people as determined by LRH.

** Boy you are so full of false data that you do not know that non church people set up and Run CST who runs RTC. It is in the legal papers if you bothered to look at truth. Also I think I said Ron did not choose the people who are running the church. You read the Church PR and edit the facts of what you do not like out in the real world.

2) Church staff work extremely hard and are not money motivated.

** TRue and guess what they need fed as well. I knew one who worked for staff for so long with no medical she died. She did not get the treatment for being a diabetic. She had kidney failure and died a sad death. She was disconnected as well because she had to surive living off her old mom till Sharon had a heart attack and then had to get a bypass. I helped her to get help to get medical as well as move her so she could live a bit longer. So bull on the money part. It is illegal to not pay staff and immoral to have them starve and live in any manner they need to survive while upper one's at RTS get fancy cars and fancy suits and gowns.

If they were money motivated, it would be a different scenario entirely.

** TRue but they need food to eat and money to care for their kids. They need medical and don't tell me they do not get sick. They do and they die as well.

The conditions are completely NOT illegal... you are full of slander and lies.

** IN religion it is allowed to do this to a certain point but then you have the responsibilty to make sure your local staff can survive. I have seen much in the church. Nuns get to drive cars and get food and medical care.

3) If you are a Scientologist, the Ideal org and ORG is your home.

** No it is not. The ideal org is recent in the last few years. Money spent on mest is not that important. Matter is matter not spiritual. I would not work or give mone to a building that my local org did not own. The higher up's do very little on creating them but they own them. I am not commenting on this any more for again you will not look.

You are welcome there- this is where you go to learn Scientology. I thank the Church for buying real estate... it takes donation to do this, and every check signed is done with a smile and knowingness.

** NO I am not welcome there. I was told I am nothing but trash by the ethics officer and I said then there is a lot of us out here and he said he knew that. All I did was get mad when they would not correct nor have auditor stick to standard tech.
Also it is not done with knowingness as their are lies behind the PR.
I know what I am talking about.

SP's will never win. I'll make sure of that.

Too late they did.

See Mike you do not know what a real SP is and how they work. I learned the hard way and I know.

I bet you believe the ads in the flashy mags as well because it is the ideal looking mag.
Pretty stuff hides a lot of bad.

I am not going to tell you for I see you are too far gone. I am so glad I have talked to church members who know the facts and see the altered tech.

Take care and I hope you do not fall too hard if and when you do.

Barb

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YOU had to have the last word did not you.

IN fact I just read a post in the freezone about the pay of the staff and it made so much sense.

How come it costs so much when the staff and the orgs do not get much?

Christians do good and they do not ask for a lot. Other religions as well and no I am not going to buy the justifications you posted.

You did not asnwer my questions nor will you. I am very thankful tlhere are some in the church who are willing to see truth and if there is enough of them in time a true reform and standard tech can be put back in.

End of story for you for you can have all the last words you want for it will not change the truth no matter how many you try to fool.

I wish you well and I hope if you do find out the truth you do not fall too far. But at least if you do you know of the freezone and the tech is alive and well without the church. I do not get it why you think only one place has the tech.

I better not go to Kmart to buy my next TV because Walmart would not like it and told me in PR that KMart is lying.

Well I wasted enough time on this and it time for me to stop trying to fix the church for it is also another big waste of my time.

I am going to work to stop trying to fix the church as Mike said I was not doing. By posting here it is what i was doing. I can't do it by myself and with too many Mike's around it ain't going to happen.

The rest of you guys I probably will respond to you but I am not going to be going to be communicating to Mike.

Guys the tech works but as in all religions there are things that don't so be kind to the tech of the teachings and keep to the truth of the rights of man.

Take care posters.
Barb

Barb

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