The Truth part 2

isnt it illegal to try to go ona crusade now days,trying to get ats members to join ur crazy cult just because we believe in aliens,what kind of man are you

A man that will never give up.

It's one thing to beleive in aliens it is another to create multiple threads for the purpose to suck people into scientology. Why your plan won't and has not worked for the most part is that your words are how they say 'out there'. That and you come off as somewhat brainwashed and deceptive.

I've already spread this knowledge to some and am in communication with them now- my plan IS working.

Could I be mostly reptilian without even knowing it?

Maybe... but the most obvious questions would come up.

-Where you adopted?
-Do you have unusual characeristics?
-Can you shapeshift?


What I would do for the answer, would be research David Icke's material- wether or not you like Icke, his material is top-notch. You need to come up with this conclusion by yourself, i'm not some prophet here, just a highly inspired person who wants to spread correct information about Scientology to people who have UFO/Alien interests on ATS.

[edit on 19-6-2006 by jaguarmike]

-Where you adopted?

how would I know if I've been lied too all this time? Who do I trust?

-Do you have unusual characeristics?

characteristics are open to interpretation, my skin has just gone funny because I was vomiting alcohol all last night...you could say that my skin looks reptilian.

-Can you shapeshift?

Well, I have stretchy skin and very expressive features...I can morph from a smile into a frown in a miniscule of a second. On top of that I can bend the top joint on all my fingers independantly.

As for david icke...he scares me...looks even more reptilian than me..and i'm not feeling very well.

Q: Why can't Lisa McPherson read this page?
A: Because she's dead. Our sympathy to her family, and the families of all Scientology victims.


Space Opera as Theology: Scientology's OT III
This page is dedicated to the analysis and criticism of what Scientologists must consider to be the most significant document in the history of the human race: L. Ron Hubbard's "OT III". (See legal notes below.) The first page of this historic work, jotted down in Hubbard's own hand, is presented herewith:




Transcript:
Data (1) (1)
The head of the Galactic
Confederation (76 planets around
larger stars visible from here)
(founded 95,000,000 yrs ago, very space opera)
solved overpopulation (250 billion
or so per planet) -- 178 billion
average) by mass implanting.
He caused people to be brought to
Teegeeack (Earth) and put an H Bomb
on the principal volcanoes (Incident 2)
and then the Pacific area ones
were taken in boxes to Hawaii
and the Atlantic Area ones to
Las Palmas and there "packaged."
His name was Xenu. He used
renegades. Various misleading
data by means of circuits etc.
were placed in the implants.
When through with his crime Loyal Officers
(to the people) captured him
after 6 years of battle
and put him in an electronic
mountain trap where he still
is. "They" are gone. The place (Confed.)
has since been a desert.


Read the rest of this interesting info from here:

www.xenu.net...

You definatley want to read this one!

www.skeptictank.org...

heres freezone faqs:

www.fzaoint.net...

another interesting site:

www.cs.cmu.edu...

and another:

www.xs4all.nl...

wow!

www.holysmoke.org...




There you go.....Jaguarmike!

Heres a few things you can start explaining to us since you were born ot3.

Looking forward to it!

[edit on 19-6-2006 by Termite197]

why is scientology the key outta here?

Hey jaguarmike I would appreciate it if you could respond to my last post at the bottom of page 9 ... thanks.

Originally posted by Fiverz
That's the point I am trying to make ... you say there's even a 20% influence but how are you coming up with these numbers? There seems to be alot more negativity in this thread towards your ideas than that. Also, people's words on an internet forum can have major, little, or no bearing on their actual beliefs and personalities. Even if those in Scn have an inate ability to discern suppressives from non-suppressives through personal interaction, stating that someone is based on a few posts on an internet thread would seem to be impossible to me.

Originally posted by jaguarmike
In order to do this and have your case be properly handled, you need personnel. These people make hardly anything, but yet work anyway and work harder than most people. Some of the most professional people i've met work in Scientology Missions and Orgs (but I have to say one Mission in particular sticks out). Running any organization requires oodles of money. SP's have a tight control on the planet, and battling them is very costly. I hope this answers your question.

So you're saying that if the church has millions of dollars it will be easier to remove "SP" influence from the world? How is that possible? Buying people off?

Originally posted by jaguarmike
You already having OT8 abilities... if this is true, and you are not just probing me for an answer, I would say congradulations.

I was just saying you should propose that question to those above you in your religion. Their answer might have you rethink everything.

Originally posted by jaguarmike
Then, I would say why aren't you being ethical with your power and helping others do this ALL THE TIME.

This is my exact point. Why do I need to follow Tom Cruise and RLH and give the church huge sums of money if I can do all these things? And seeing as most of the tech is on the web, assuming someone could achieve the same levels is plausible.

So if your ideals are good, and anyone can truly find them and work at meeting them, why do they need to give you large sums of money for it? Seems to be much more ethical to do things on my own and much more helping to donate my money to those who are too poor to carry on themselves. This is why people refer to it as a scam ... I'd say it's not necessarily a scam, but nothing more than a large business venture built around some unique philosophies and a few good ideals. Just my two cents.
[edit on 18-6-2006 by Fiverz]

*The 20% number is an average. Think of Nazi Germany, the 20% number was much greater for PTS people- same goes for North Korea, former Soviet Union, China, and a few others... even our middle class unfortunately. I knew i'd get flamed going in, but it doesn't matter. The game is so big little stuff like flaming or outrageing the SP's is of little concern.

*Buying off SP's is about as smart as feeding a hungry crocodile in your way a filet mignon and expecting it to let you pass. The Church expands with missions, operations, and spreading/disseminating the information. In order to do this, you need a stable atmosphere, and buying buildings costs money.

*I've already talked about so much material with different OT's. Most are reluctant to talk because it can damage your case... this is stuff you need to find out on your own with your own self- it's that powerful. There are no OT's that just magically appear unless they were made an OT in their past life... and when they "magically appear" thats not correct, they didn't really go anywhere. The only organization that can make OT's is Scientology. It is possible to get clear on your own but the chances are so slim... I mean we're talking rare occurances like Jesus Christ here, he was clear after studying and practicing Buddhism. Scientology is the ONLY guaranteed way.

*The whole scam theory is put out by SP's because they know it works. This technology has and will continue to revolutionize the planet. The world will never be the same. To quote Dr. Stephen Greer and his philosophy from this famous song, "Its the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine." Change is here, it will progress and it is literally unstoppable by the hands of man.

If you have these powers like you say you have, you'd be connected to all OT's and would be part of the organization- I know you are not OT. You can't get OT by yourself even if the stolen OT3 document is on the internet... that document is altered, and the background information is missing... case in point, reading that will only hurt you and not help you. If you have gifts that most people don't possess, I would say use them for good at all costs. Just know you have a home of people who can do all the same stuff you can and can teach you how to make it even more. Immortality? Do you want it?


By the way, it's hilarious I was warned. I know i'm doing something correct now lol.

[edit on 19-6-2006 by jaguarmike]

[edit on 19-6-2006 by jaguarmike]

Originally posted by jaguarmike
If you have gifts that most people don't possess, I would say use them for good at all costs. Just know you have a home of people who can do all the same stuff you can and can teach you how to make it even more. Immortality? Do you want it?

As I have said twice before now, I do not claim to be OT, clear, or anything else. I just think that using my few good talents and modest income to help out others directly is much better than giving Scn my money. I am sure a very large percent of the population (much greater than 20%) would agree with me. Does that make us all part of that 20% suppressives or what?

And what if I possess the ability to become OT or whatever but CHOOSE to give the middle finger to the church? I am still doing good, I am helping out people, I am helping the world moved towards your enlightened ideal ... so what's the problem with that? Once again, where does the money come into play? What ever happened to building churches on donations? If this stuff was so great, people should be dishing out money WILLINGLY to achieve enlightenment ... and not be forced to give a fixed amount of income.

Like I said, talk to your elders about that situation. Their responses will make you think about Scn in a different way (maybe not necessarily negatively, just differently). As I said I had read the handbook and became interested in it until I proposed that question to a few Scn members. Their answers turned me off in a big way.

*** By the way my responses are in no way a personal attack on you ... you have your right to believe whatever you want. Just like I have the right to believe what I want. There may be not true freedom of speech in this world but there is definitely freedom of beliefs.

[edit on 19-6-2006 by Fiverz]

ok, so... what did these OT's say that put you off so much?

Jaguar, please explain to me why scientology is the only way to escape this prison. I mean it sounds like a really cool concept and all, but just seems a little over the edge. I believe aliens may have helped seed the human race, but I'm not just going to believe anything. Tell me how and why scientology is the only way to escape this prison planet. I'd like to believe, but it's hard to go along with a religion that requires you to pay a certain amount to learn about it, and uses celebrities like Tom Cruise to manipulate people into joining. Didn't Hubbard himself say that the best way to get rich is to start a religion? Didn't he do exactly that?

I know I sound a bit skeptical, but I'm not trying to offend you at all. I'm just curious about certain aspects of scientology that turn me off about it. Please enlighten me.

Insted of asking accusing questions could you please answer them?

[edit on 19-6-2006 by Tiloke]

Originally posted by jaguarmike
ok, so... what did these OT's say that put you off so much?

You need to talk to your elders and get their response. It wouldn't be powerful enough to you or mean as much coming from me. You would just dismiss me as being a suppressive or something along those lines. Just ask your elders and reply in this thread with what they tell you ... who knows, maybe they will tell you something different than they told me because you are paying to be part of the church.

Like I said, i've had MANY conversations with OT's. What did the OT tell you

Originally posted by Barcs
Jaguar, please explain to me why scientology is the only way to escape this prison. I mean it sounds like a really cool concept and all, but just seems a little over the edge. I believe aliens may have helped seed the human race, but I'm not just going to believe anything. Tell me how and why scientology is the only way to escape this prison planet. I'd like to believe, but it's hard to go along with a religion that requires you to pay a certain amount to learn about it, and uses celebrities like Tom Cruise to manipulate people into joining. Didn't Hubbard himself say that the best way to get rich is to start a religion? Didn't he do exactly that?

I know I sound a bit skeptical, but I'm not trying to offend you at all. I'm just curious about certain aspects of scientology that turn me off about it. Please enlighten me.

All throughout this post, and the Spanish Inquisition post, I have been explaining this. Re-read over everything and then ask questions please.

He did ask questions mike and valid ones I think lots of people have but if you want straight forward questions then here ya go?

1: Why does scientology tell it's members that those who oppose the religeon are enemies?

2: Why have scientologies members time and time been involved in major criminal activities such as fraud, embezzlement and very likely murder?

3: Why do scientologists pressure those who leave to join again with threatening phone calls and other forms of harrassment like house calls?

4: Scientologists claim drugs are evil... But why did L. Ron Hubbard use drugs, beat his wife,children and feed his son and daughter narcotics?

5: If scientology is for the betterment of mankind why is it you need to open up your wallet and pay thousands of dollars not only to the church but to buy their merchandise?

6: Why does the organization work like a pyramid scam structure you sign a member make money, They sign.... all the money goes to the top?

7: Who makes the most money in scientology?

8: why is it scientologists have delusions of grandure including your self? (reference ants in kitchen comment)

9: In regards to the personality test and e-meter why do they tell people they are no good unless they are scientologists?