What all Americans need to know....

This is a lie. Esau is not father to the Arab people. Esau is father ot the white people. Esau came out red and hairy and white people are the only one race of people that I know look like that. It certainly ain't the Arabs.

Ishmael is the father of the Arabs.

Originally posted by Tyriffic

The idea that the Jews in Israel are not the original Jews goes mostly to the history of the Ethiopian Jews- yet, born Jewish is Jewish none the less whether you were born in Addis Abbaba or Moscow. If you come from the 12 tribes it doesn't matter.

www.haam.net...

More lies. It DOES matter. How can you be "born" a Jew if you're parents not truly Jews? So, yes, one would HAVE to come from the 12 tribes of Israel. So, it DOES matter.

I really dont like Sharon. He should be assasinated. With all the violence against Palestine, I doubt the 2 countries will not be able to live in peace, even with new treaties, because of all the negative that comes from violence. I wish the slaughter of Palestineans by the the Jewa was more publicized in the American media. I support Arafrat and pray that things will work out for him and his country.

Originally posted by Colonel

Originally posted by Tyriffic

The idea that the Jews in Israel are not the original Jews goes mostly to the history of the Ethiopian Jews- yet, born Jewish is Jewish none the less whether you were born in Addis Abbaba or Moscow. If you come from the 12 tribes it doesn't matter.

www.haam.net...

More lies. It DOES matter. How can you be "born" a Jew if you're parents not truly Jews? So, yes, one would HAVE to come from the 12 tribes of Israel. So, it DOES matter.

i gotta agree with colonel on this one. how can a person be born a jew if neither parent is jewish? thats like saying i'm asian even though neither of my parents are asian. apparently if i want things to be a certain way all i have to do is say so and its so.

see how stupid this sounds?

judaism is a religion, not a race. thats like saying christians are a race, muslims are a race or buddhists are a race.

i also have a question. if a jewish person is a jew then are all christians christ? just wondering.

Originally posted by KrazyIvan



and the plaistinians are violateing # too by strapping bombs to their chest and blowing up buses of isrealie children!

what would you do if that was happining to people taht you know?

[Edited on 10-24-2003 by KrazyIvan]

What else are they to do with no hi-tech weapons, being forceable removed from their homes, being treated as third class citizens, forced to live in slums, etc.

What would I do? I wouldn't invade people's homes so it wouldn't happen to me.

the isreals and palistiniens should just kill each other off.......'cause that is the only way that this situation will be resolved....niether side will ever stop retaliation killing.....how can they ever stop when they each blame each other for stuff the grandaddy did.....sort sounds familar....

More propaganda.

Stick to the historical facts and you'll see through the anti-Israeli propaganda.

Where is the help from the Arab "brothers"? You know, the ones that are more than ready to give them money and logistics with which to blow up innocent people.

Im not siding with Palestine, but it's not like the Isreali's are angles. The fact is that both "nations" should stop fighting. But how this can be done, I don't know.

Where do you get this racist �Jews aren�t really Jews� bull?

In Israel today about 20% of the population or 1.2 million is Arabic/Muslim. These Arab-Israeli citizens enjoy all the same rights, representations and privileges as are enjoyed by Israel�s Jewish and Christian population, which is to say the best education, highest per-capita income, and the most civil rights of any Arabic population in any Arabic nation.

These are the descendents of the regions Arabic populations who did not flee in the Israeli war of independence where the armies of 5 different Arabic nations attacked with the intent of �driving the Jews into the sea� otherwise called genocide.

The Palestinian-Arabs have a homeland. It�s called Jordan. It�s the country directly to the East of Israel on the other side of the Jordan River. In the days of the British Mandate when Palestine was ruled by the British after the fall of the Ottoman Empire, they set aside that land to be Arab only, which means that the Jews who lived there had to move. Jordan is five times the size of Israel, the Gaza Strip and the West Bank combined and contained by far the best farmland and natural resources of the region.

The Palestinian-Arabs have been offered statehood on the West side of the Jordan River many times since, starting with the U.N. Partition Plan in 1947 and most recently with the Camp David summit in 2000. They don�t have a state today because they have consistently for almost 60 years shown that they prefer war to self-determination.

Originally posted by Colonel
What annoys me about the Israelis (besides claiming to be the original Jews and they are not) is that they are hypocrites. They were without a homeland and were given one and the expense of the Palestienans. Now, the Palestineans want a homeland too but they refuse to share a portion of their land at all.

The world condemns them for their military actions which, if done by any other country would also be condemned, and they ignore the world or call the world "anti-semite."

Its a lot of BS.

Originally posted by Colonel
This is a lie. Esau is not father to the Arab people. Esau is father ot the white people. Esau came out red and hairy and white people are the only one race of people that I know look like that. It certainly ain't the Arabs.

Ishmael is the father of the Arabs.

colonel. Read the Bible ok.

Jacob tricked Esau out of his inheritence from Isaac, God then eventually blessed Jacob and showed His face to Jacob later on. God renamed Jacob Israel- you can't be Israel and Arab at the same time. I know about Ishmael also. His descendants were said to live by the sword and that each would use that against their brother- sound familiar to the constant war and unrest in the middle east?? Why is the middle east the fulcrum of the world?

It is not a white/Black issue.

Originally posted by ThePrankMonkey

Originally posted by Colonel

Originally posted by Tyriffic

The idea that the Jews in Israel are not the original Jews goes mostly to the history of the Ethiopian Jews- yet, born Jewish is Jewish none the less whether you were born in Addis Abbaba or Moscow. If you come from the 12 tribes it doesn't matter.

www.haam.net...

More lies. It DOES matter. How can you be "born" a Jew if you're parents not truly Jews? So, yes, one would HAVE to come from the 12 tribes of Israel. So, it DOES matter.

i gotta agree with colonel on this one. how can a person be born a jew if neither parent is jewish? thats like saying i'm asian even though neither of my parents are asian. apparently if i want things to be a certain way all i have to do is say so and its so.

see how stupid this sounds?

judaism is a religion, not a race. thats like saying christians are a race, muslims are a race or buddhists are a race.

i also have a question. if a jewish person is a jew then are all christians christ? just wondering.

Judaism is a religion. Being a Jew is not.

I never stated or expanded like both you and colonel did. I said born Jewish is Jewish.

Did I day anymore than that?? If you are of the 12 tribes of Judah, you are Jewish.

Sammy Davis Jr. may have been a follower of Judaism, I don't know if he was Jewish/Israelite!!

...in anwser to your thoughtful question. All of us are children of God. Jesus is our saviour. Even if one does not believe this, it is true. Being Jewish/ Isreaelite, only means you are chosen as the people of God. It does not alienate the rest of the world. Why do you think the world hates Jews?? Any one who confesses Jesus as his saviour and believes in the resurrection is saved- Jews mostly do not follow the new testament. Many have accepted Jesus as saviour. Do a google search of Messianic Jews for more info.

I agree with the fact that we have to let them fight it out and resolve their own problems. We should not be involved.

In Kosovo I might have agreed with you there. In Iraq, there was no viable fighting/resistance force to oust the tyraant.......
Believ me, I wish none of this happened. I wish people would just mind their own problems in life without killing someone over them instead.

This is our world my friend unfortunately....someone must stand up to the challenge and indeed, must take the heat and fire of speculation that comes with such actions.

Damned if you do..........

Samfashow....TARFU ALSO...........

[Edited on 27-10-2003 by Tyriffic]

I agree that we need to quit giving money and weapons to Israel so they can persecute their neighbors. If they did not have all the weapons, they would have to actually sit down and talk to the palestinians to work out a peace accord.

AD 135: Jews are expelled from "Palestine", the very name given to Judea by Rome.
Quoted from:
"Political Dictionary of the Middle East", by Avraham Sela


Here's what I don't understand about the "whole issue"....
"The Arab world has certainly demonstrated great skill in the "myth" of imagination. They have done such a good job that they have convinced much of the world that their "myths" are facts. Perhaps their biggest myth is the myth of Palestine. The Arab world would have us believe that the Palestinians have been in "Palestine" from "time immemorial" but were displaced by the Jews when Israel became a state in 1948. But what are the facts?
While we are not certain of the exact dates, Joshua conquered the Land God promised the Jews in the 13th century BCE. King David established Jerusalem as the capital of Israel around 1000 BCE. King Solomon built the Jewish Temple about 960 BCE. This was almost 1000 years before the beginning of Christianity and 1600 years before the rise of Islam. As Prime Minister Barak has noted, "When Jesus came to Jerusalem to celebrate the feasts, he didn't come to a church or a mosque, he came to the Temple." It is not the Church Mount or the Mosque Mount that is fought over, it is the Temple Mount. It was the Temple Mount centuries before Christianity tried to make it the Church Mount and Islam tried to make it the Mosque Mount.
However, not to be confused with facts, in a personal audience I had several years ago with the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, who was appointed by Arafat, he boldly declared that the Arabs had been living in the Land for 10,000 years. Based on conservative Bible chronology, that means the Arabs have been living in the Land before the Almighty created Adam and Eve.
How did Israel become Palestine and who are the Palestinians? The second Jewish war with the Romans took place in 132-135 CE. Led by Rabbi Akiva and Simon bar Kochba, the Jewish uprising was crushed by the Roman Emperor Hadrian who sought to de-Judaize Jerusalem and make it a pagan city. Hadrian renamed Jerusalem "Aelia Capitolina" in honor of Jupiter. He changed the name of Judea and gave it the name of the Jews ancient enemy, the Philistines. He called it -- Palestine.
Over time, Palestine was ruled by the Roman Byzantines (312-637) [Persian interrupt 614-629], Omayyad Arabs (638-750), Islamic Abbassid's (750-1099), Crusaders (1099-1291) [Saladin the Kurd interrupt 1187-93], Mamluks (1291-1516), Ottoman Turks (1517-1917), and the British Mandate (1917-1948). None of these rulers established a sovereign state in the Land and Jerusalem was never the capital of any empire since the time of King David. Palestine was a forgotten desolate, wasteland, but historical records show there was always a Jewish presence in the Land........"Palestinians" have never been a distinct people, they have never had a sovereign land called Palestine, Jerusalem has never been their capital, there is no Palestinian language or culture, and there is no Palestinian people. It is a myth created after the Jews liberated Jerusalem in 1967."

From:
"Middle East Myths: The Myth of Palestine"
Link:
www.rbooker.com...


And WHY was there never any mention of a "Palestinian state".....not under:
1) The Romans
2) The Crusaders
3) The Turks
4) The Arab Kingdom of Jordan
5) Then with the English and Jews immagrating back do we start hearing this then it finally hit full force with: #6...
6) not until the establishment of Israel has there been the cry for a "Palestinian state"

Truth beknown, the Palestinian are not Palestinians at all. They are Arabs, and a very good percentage should be Jordanians, technically.......

Israel will continue to recieve support from the US and other beknown countries despite what anyone thinks, feels, or says.....including Colonel.

I would suggest that this issue of Israel, Palestine, and the Arab world, in it's relation to this matter, be brought up as a research project(s).

Colonel quotes a site and again thinks and then calls it "gospel truth and fact"........when in truth, their is more to this whole issue then what that 'mere' site had to baisly give.


regards
seekerof

[Edited on 28-10-2003 by Seekerof]