What all Americans need to know....

Originally posted by Gazrok

I never claimed Isreal is innocent or blameless. They've done many things to escalate it. Who started it is rather academic, and a matter of debate, but a debate that is best left to schoolyard antics... The point is, the Palestinians could have ended this numerous times. They continually choose the path of violence. What always stops peace talks? An Isreali raid or terrorist assassination? No, a Palestinian wanders into a group of civilians and blows a bunch up....that's what.

It's like they are mentally retarded or somthing... They keep ramming their head into the brick wall that is Isreal, with the continued belief that eventually it will crack. I've got to give them props for tenaciousness...but deduct points for stupidity....

This too is not right. What happens is that there is a truce which the PA and the Hamas agree to with Israel. Next thing you know, the IDF target and assasinate a Hamas leader (killing innocent Palestineans in the process) which breaks the truce and brings forth another suicide bomber.

The Israelis are the ones who don't want peace. They gain nothing for having peace.

...are formed with the information need for them to be correct or accurate.
Those who know the real truth about these things control the media, which is by many used to form these opinions,so in reality your opinion is controlled by others and is probably wrong.
You think but you don't think your own thoughts.
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
The Arab world was decieved by great Britain in WWI,as always,for oil and exploitation of resources.
This phase in history will likely draw to a close soon,and the Arabs look to be on the losing end again,as far as the opinions of those who really don't know what it is they are opining about.
Your college education only makes it clear that you think inside the box, you will not be a threat to those who want not to lose their power over you, unless you are schooled in law you likely have no idea how far the truth is out of the reach of most.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion,for the moment,keep snoozing and see if you don't wake up without the right to have one.
Terrorism does not exist to those who understand that the worst that can happen is death,which was unavoidable last time I checked.
Life is a lesson in loss,with or without terrorists.
Problems overseas are a distraction from what we need to confront in the US, worry about something you can control,stop wasting your time.
It is all quite meaningless.

lets just let the isrealies and palistinanies wipe each other out. if the palistinians cant stop blowing buses of isreali children up, i do not feel sorry for them. they are cowards. charlie had more balls!. they deserve every coming to them!

Originally posted by KrazyIvan
lets just let the isrealies and palistinanies wipe each other out. if the palistinians cant stop blowing buses of isreali children up, i do not feel sorry for them. they are cowards. charlie had more balls!. they deserve every coming to them!

Wrong agian. The israelies are violating UN resolutions by bulldozing Palestinean homes for new Israeli homes in the Occupied Territories. They are literally trying to exterminate the Palestineans. You can see this by their actions and by a comparison of the numbers of dead.

Next thing you know, the IDF target and assasinate a Hamas leader

Check the timelines for yourself...no need to believe me... It's always the same 1-2-3 step....

1.Truce
2. Suicide Bombing blamed on non-affiliated faction
3. IDF hit on Hamas

Originally posted by Gazrok

Next thing you know, the IDF target and assasinate a Hamas leader

Check the timelines for yourself...no need to believe me...

It's always the same 1-2-3 step....

1.Truce
2. Suicide Bombing blamed on non-affiliated faction
3. IDF hit on Hamas

You're gonna have to explain this better (nonaffiliated faction?). Plus, I need to see this timeline you refer to.

Not to take sides or anything - But if the Israelis were wanting to exterminate the Palestinians, given the armament they possess, I think the Palestinians would be all but exterminated by now (without outside influences in place to dissuade them)

intelgurl

Originally posted by intelgurl
Not to take sides or anything - But if the Israelis were wanting to exterminate the Palestinians, given the armament they possess, I think the Palestinians would be all but exterminated by now (without outside influences in place to dissuade them)

intelgurl

And reap world scorn? And start up a holy war with every Muslim on the planet? I don't think so. Ya gotta do it slow.

And reap world scorn? And start up a holy war with every Muslim on the planet? I don't think so. Ya gotta do it slow.

They have almost achieved this on several occasions. whats from stoping them now ?

You have a point....

You Are Agreeing with me ................ cool

What annoys me about the Israelis (besides claiming to be the original Jews and they are not) is that they are hypocrites. They were without a homeland and were given one and the expense of the Palestienans. Now, the Palestineans want a homeland too but they refuse to share a portion of their land at all.

The world condemns them for their military actions which, if done by any other country would also be condemned, and they ignore the world or call the world "anti-semite."

Its a lot of BS.

who cares what they call the world. what do you want us to do. if the u.n or u.s tries to intervien then they are medling in others affairs if they do nuthing they are condemed forleting it happen. no win situation you cant make every one happy

Originally posted by tealc
who cares what they call the world. what do you want us to do. if the u.n or u.s tries to intervien then they are medling in others affairs if they do nuthing they are condemed forleting it happen. no win situation you cant make every one happy

Give the Israeli foreign aid WITH stipulations.If the stipulations are violated, then yank it back. Stop sellingthe Israelis such sophisticated weaponry. There's a start.

Seems somehow that the word anti-semite comes out of someone's mouth and the entire world automatically assumes that those who the word is being aimed at are wrong.
Like recently,some feller was criminally charged for denying the holocaust really happened the way some say it did.I'm not pro nazi,but it is a tad rediculous that one is considered a criminal for uttering their opinion or expressing their views.
I do not feel any pity for the Israeli's,the palestinians are hopelessly outgunned, yet when they are slaughtered,the Israelis get all puffed up and proud,then when the palestinians respond to being slaughtered with one of their little suicide bombers,or a hit on some IDF guys,they are branded terrorists.
So if one uses high-tech weapons to slaughter defenseless palestinians in retaliation for something they cannot be proven to be responsible for,it is OK.
But when some little palestinian attacks Isaeli interests or civilians,it is a terrorist act.
Ok,it's backward,it makes no sense.
Arabs were at one time a peace loving people who minded their own business,got involved in WWI on the side of the British,and lost everything for a lie.
Once the British or the US becomes involved,everything is wrong.
Iraq is just another insult to the Arab world,Islam really has not much to do with it.
It's just been turned into something being used as an excuse to steal oil from the middle east,nothing more,the emotional presentations by the Israeli's are just to shut everyones brains off to the truth,yet no one seems to want to hear what the Palestinians have to say.
The only ones who speak the truth are not talking and not being heard.
He who speaks the loudest is usually the biggest liar of them all.
Let Israel rot,stop supplying them with weapons,cut off the funds.
Then the only democracy in the middle east is powerless,democracy doesn't fit into the middle east anyway.
Leave it alone then.

If Israel would stop bombing the markets of Palestine, then maybe the people would stop building bombs and go to work (a luxury too many Americans take forgranted). The suicide bombings are a desperate act by a desperate people -- they fight the ongoing war with the only weapons they have left. Let us not forget that 'total war' (which is being waged against the Palestineians every day) involves killing civilians. This is a practice started when the west created the jewsish state after WWII, and continued by the IDF to this day.

Israel doesn't want peace with Palestine, they want peace without Palestine. Hitler taught them well.

This injustice cannot go unnoticed forever. The jews do not 'run the world through proxy'; maybe America is short-sighted and selfish, but the rest of the world is watching. Remember that the Palestineians outnumber the Israelis. The Muslim world may yet unite to stop Israel. I only hope that we (America) don't choose to back the opressors.

Hitler was stopped. It would seem that the jews learned his methods, but not his lesson.

[Edited on 24/10/2003 by JoeDominion]

I'm telling you people, that whole area just needs to have an "accident". Then we can all move ahead and deal with the real problems in the world (mass starvation, melting icecaps, Bush, etc.)

Originally posted by Colonel

Originally posted by KrazyIvan
lets just let the isrealies and palistinanies wipe each other out. if the palistinians cant stop blowing buses of isreali children up, i do not feel sorry for them. they are cowards. charlie had more balls!. they deserve every coming to them!

Wrong agian. The israelies are violating UN resolutions by bulldozing Palestinean homes for new Israeli homes in the Occupied Territories. They are literally trying to exterminate the Palestineans. You can see this by their actions and by a comparison of the numbers of dead.

and the plaistinians are violateing # too by strapping bombs to their chest and blowing up buses of isrealie children!

what would you do if that was happining to people taht you know?

[Edited on 10-24-2003 by KrazyIvan]

there will be civil war. Frankly Israel is a stratgic military location for re-fueling weapons, getting supplies & military positioning in the Middle East. That is my opinion, since I am not ex-Military

And, Israel has been a true friend to the United States. They are also one of the very few countries that have actually paid back their loans to us, from what I understand.

We support Israel for the obvious reasons- They are similarly Democratic and are a strategic ally. We also support them for other reasons...

The idea that the Jews in Israel are not the original Jews goes mostly to the history of the Ethiopian Jews- yet, born Jewish is Jewish none the less whether you were born in Addis Abbaba or Moscow. If you come from the 12 tribes it doesn't matter.

Please read Genisis Chap. 27:35-41.

Esau is the father of the Arab peoples. God appeared to Jacob, blessed him and changed his name to Israel in Genesis 35:9-12


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