They already have it!

I ve tried to find some info here but its quite hard to search through every single thread for this question, BUT...

Does anyone know or believe that the technologies of the governments are far in advance of the ones that they are selling? That the reason they are not releasing them now is because they want to get rid of the surplus old stock and squeeze as much profit out of aged products as possible before introducing new ones?
eg. 3G phones, Pentium processers, fuel technology
I have looked for this extensively and cant find much on the subject of dripfeeding our products to us, could someone please enlighten me with details they have to hand?

www.boston.com...

www.ece.ubc.ca...

Governments DEFINITELY have all the good stuff and when they're done with it we get it. Example; Recently a guy bought a MiG-21 Fishbed off of eBay. But the gov't gets the goodies before we do, particularly the military. Says a lot about human nature, huh?

Actually the gov't for some strange reason (democracy) has to show it is investing wisely in basci research by partnering w/ universities and average people to develop their discoveries.

In the general public, there is only so much money for development so you only see what developers think they can sell. You can apply yourself to these programs and look at recent tech development I know alot of other countries do. They go right up to NASA, Universities, DARPA and say 'what cha got'. There is sometimes an outcry in Congress that other countries benefit from our basic research more than we do.

You don't have to believe me, but I can tell you from firsthand experience that the technologies that are being tested by the government today are years away from being revealed to the public.

I wish I had knowledge of some intriguing, edge-of-your-seat, sci-fi style technology, but the project I was aware of is actually a pretty mundane thing that definitely would have been developed eventually for commercial applications.

But still...

In the mid- to late-90s when I became aware of it, it was still about 8 years away from being mentioned to the public.

That's all the proof I need.

BTW the situation was that I worked as a security guard at a company that was a DoD contractor and required S or TS clearance. I was already cleared to S because of my military service, but the company was a civilian security company. They very openly displayed some of their prototypes literally in the lobby of the building, so there was not much secret once you got inside the doors (no easy task in itself, though). I think the company only really made that one product anyhow...

And for those who might ask me to say what the item was, I know it's now public knowledge (and it's pretty boring), but I signed something saying I'd never even reveal the name, location, or nature of what I did, and I'm not taking any chances even though I hear that those statements expire after a certain number of years.

I just wanted to add my $.02 and re-assert that you folks are correct.

[edit on 4-6-2006 by therainmaker]

No time right now to read links.. but what do you think they have ?

Anti-gravity (gravity reduction etc..) ?
Quantum computing ?

any theories.. usually things tend to be crap when they are just released (price vs. performance).. take the first cd-burners for computers for example.. the first ones cost what $5-6000 or something.. had no buffer underrun and very expensive discs.. was really slow 1 hour for burning a disc.. alot more failures than with todays burners.. wich is sub $100.





[edit on 4-6-2006 by SilverSurfer]

I think he thinks they have a Stargate.

or something of that nature.















[edit on 6/5/2006 by bodebliss]

Originally posted by bodebliss
I think he thinks they have a Stargate.

or something of that nature.

Now that would be something.. a time machine or a stargate that would be something to hide

A Stargate or similar device could be shown to the public.. to initiate trading with aliens.. etc.. if they should have something along those lines and be able to work it.

A time machine on the other hand, this i would see more reasons for keeping it hidden.

A Stargate? Thats a bit much really... Kurt Russell fan?

I recently bought and computer! Piece by piece i researched it to find the best deal\specs for my budget! now a year later i find that all the hardware i bought is almost obsolete! i have an AMD 64 3200+ processor and i have recently read that there are dual core processors available now for the same price a year later! In the pipeline (3-5 years) there will be computers with up to forty mini processors running at the same time!

This seems to me a perfect business model of

Indroduction - Increase - Saturation - Decline

As soon as the product reaches saturation they release a new better one! They have made it so that we have to consume at the first two levels of the business model for the most expensive prices and then when in decline they have nothing more to do with it! (eg. no guarantee\warranty) Leaving us to our eBay and such like to pawn off our second hand tat with major depreciation in price and quality usually in favor of one of their new products.

I am speaking fro experience on technological matters and have seen the value of my electronic equiptment (of which i have quite a lot) decline rapidly. Almost to the point where they are obsolete. Now I am not talking about an IBM 486 processor from 1989, Im talking about laptops, MP3 players, DVD drives and so on.
The new windows vista will leave everyone standing when they announce that no new software will be compatible with Windows 98\ME\2K\ or XP. Imagine
NO NEW SOFTWARE WILL BE COMPATIBLE WITH WINDOWS XP!!!! Insane

They have the technology but do not want to release it before people have "saturated" themselves with their more inferior designs.

Example:

Nokia 3210 in 1995 508 Euros (400 Irish Pounds but the rest of the currency will translate to euro)

Nokia 3210 in 2006 35 Euros if you are lucky

Sharp J-SHO4 (first camera phone in 2000) 110,000-pixel CMOS 675 Euros

Today just 6 short years later Samsung are announcing their first ever 10 megapixel camera phone check this website about probable "leaks" in design security

"APPARENTLY samsung is not even thinking of releasing such phone wasting money for that 9 megapixel when theres a samsung 10 megapixel phone already existing."
www.mobileguerilla.com...

Just these few examples from what i know should suggest to people that there is a stalling of our technological evolution, and if they are coy enough to make a few bucks on it and keep a few mobile phones from us whats to say that they are not keeping other technolgical advances from us aswell. The technology to vastly advance medical science, genome\stem cell scientific research, inexhaustable fuel sources? And the things they never want us to know about... Star Wars anyone? Reagan let it all slip there! They are holding back the human race and human evolution for their own selfish material gain.

Other foods for thought, Lasers in the fifties, Zero-point energy, Blu-ray DVD's, Wirelass Internet and any of Nikolai Teslas ingenius inventions??

I have used the prefix they, but unfortunaltely i do not know who THEY are. I wish i did. anyone that can throw light on my comments, it will be welcomed. I am doing my own research also and will post later

SenorJordo

ive heard they a 1GP (yes, GigaPixel) sattellite camera about 5 years ago, when we were only getting 3MP cameras for $800. but who knows.

I read about blue ray about 15 years ago. Its barely coming out now. hmmm.

Another thing to think about though is cost/retrun ratio. Would you intro duce soemthing you knew would fail. For instance if no one drove petrol powered cars anymore, would introduce one that ran on it?

On the other side, they still have to test these products to make sure they are safe for us and the environment. I wish they would release more technology sooner, but on the other hand i would not want insuffecient testing so that we have another FDA prescription drug problem. I think theories or ideas should be released and a public poll taken so at least the people know if they want to wait for sowmthing or not.

"I read about blue ray about 15 years ago. Its barely coming out now. hmmm."

DVD's were just coming around 15 years ago and replaced VHS and Laser Disc mediums. I doubt you read about blue ray 15 years ago considering Sony has only developed it in the last few years.

Maxell has better storage on there holodisk format which can supposedly 1.7 terrabytes or more when it is released it will replace the hard drive and other formats and will be much cheaper then blue ray or the soon to be ill faded HDdvd.

Blue lasers has been around for a while, it wasn't until 10 years ago that they got small enough to put in a CD Bay sized drive, 5-6 years ago is when they first discovered the data capacity of a Blue laser and a year after that the first prototypes of this technology started rolling out of Prototype Fabrication facilities.

Just because such and such a thing was invented a while ago doesn't mean that "they are keeping it to themselves." Sure they do do that in Aeronautics quite frequently, IT, however is a different beast. Companies need to justify R&D expenses and Government contracts are not exactly the ideal source of revenue as they could get cut off at any moment for a variety of reasons.

We may have had Pentium quality chips in the 70s, but I can tell you one thing for sure, it would not fit in an ATX PC Case. The First terrabyte harddrive was invented a while ago too and it was around the size of a coffie table. Just imagine how large a 500 Mhz processor in the 80s would be.

Miniturization is the primary driver for Computers. Government Contracts do not put food on the table indefinately. Nothing on this earth is truely capable of stopping a corporation from releasing technology to the public so they can profit from it.

Another thing to think about though is cost/retrun ratio. Would you intro duce soemthing you knew would fail. For instance if no one drove petrol powered cars anymore, would introduce one that ran on it?

This is the primary reason why so much technology never see's the light of day. Another reason is from a phenomenon called "Orphaned Patents." That is basically a Patent whose owner cannot be located to give permission or grant licence to use his patent for profit.

Do I believe that the US Government has some stuff that is way better then what I have? Sure they do, look at the B-2 Bomber. Do I believe that the majority of them have access to 15+ Ghz processors with a RL Physics Chip and a BFG 18950 4 TB GDDR18 with a Gigaquad Harddrive? Hell no. That would be so extremely expensive that it would just be cheaper to buy off the sheft hardware and tie them into a cluster to make an ad-hoc supercomputer. It takes up more space, sure, but it's a helluva lot cheaper, doesn't need specialised manufacturing equipment(which also costs Mucho Dinero), and doesn't require specialized programmed and training to use.

[edit on 7-6-2006 by sardion2000]

SenorJordo

Why would you want a 9 or 10 MegaPixel cellphone/camera.. the optics is just not good enough its mostly hype anyway getting gullible consumers buying more megapixels with but with bad optics.. if you want this size (number of pixels) then you should get a better and much bigger camera that can also change lenses. Ive got a 2 Mpixel camera-phone its fairly good pictures for a cellphone.. also a got a small digital camera with 6 mpixel (about the same size as my motorola v3x but twice the thickness).. and i can say that already on 6 mpixel there is too much noize and the pixels are wasted on bad optics.. so im thinking of getting a proper camera. My old APS had very good pictures clearly superior to my digital camera. But its unfortunatley broken.. but ive seen pictures taken by a more expensive camera i think its about $1500 and these more or less match those by my old analogue camera (wich did cost me about $500 7-10 years ago).


Blu-ray DVD's *cough* Blu-ray disc.

LG are currently releasing the first 4x blu-ray burner this month (priced at 799 euros), this will mean that you can burn 25 gigs in about 22 min. I don't think blu-ray will start selling much until it reaches 8x and comes down in price anyway.
www.cdrinfo.com...


You could right now buy server sized motherboards from Tyan with a special add-on motherboard to hockup a total of 8 CPU's and 64 GB RAM... i think its maybe possible to run 2 graphics cards in SLI on this beast also... you could get supercomputers without special hardware.. i recall that compaq(?) had some special sofware to hookup many computers together.. maybe its comonly used today.. (in supercomputing) so all you need to do would be buy a number of these beasties.. and you could have supercomputing in your home.. of course it would be really really expensive.. but peanuts compared to developing futuristic technology to get the same performance. Also these 8 CPU's would have 2 cores each for a total of 16 cores in each box.. this number will double once the quad core CPU's gets released by AMD in 2007

Here to buy one or many for your own supercomputer
www.cybernex.co.uk...

[edit on 8-6-2006 by SilverSurfer]

ok...

My point as you have all proven is that this technology was available and is now available! but why sell it for such a high price? and at selling and introducing it at such a high price, the cost of previously VERY high prices hardware goes down dramatically! these blu ray discs! they are the next big thing! for sure but what will happen to their competitors? they will flail and falter! anyone remember 3DO and playstation? or those videocds that were as big as an LP? of even the humble floppy disc? nad my personla favourite the Sega mega drive! these are all things of the past that were widely used mainly because of their affordability! and now with the advent of more affordable items with better performance they are getting left behind! Monopolys on items, brands and formats far outwiegh the hunger for advancement! the hunger for money is unsatisfiable!

and one to ponder?...
why is windows vista SLIGHTLY delayed until just after christmas? Ladies and gentlemen i am thinking about this topic purely at a practical and philosophical level! check this... Xmas comes around and kiddies want computers. not even just kiddies but big kids like me also! Xmas is the perfect time to buy, the expendable income, the need for presents and the waining joy in what you already have! so they go and buy a computer. with XP. now some will hold out on christmas and try to get one in the january sales! my mother was a big patron of this. stay with me here
so they all buy a computer at Xmas and enjoy it for a little while, and those that waited for the january sales will be greeted with the big VISTA signs in the computer outlets. now if the kid (or big kid) is gonna splash out that much on a computer they might as well go a little bit more for the "future of homecomputing". therefore microsoft gets the last bang out of XP this xmas and they get the chaff of "bargain hunters" in the january sales! if they released Vista this xmas XP would already dead. and by next christmas all those that bought an XP system would already be out of date and they will have to buy a new system next Xmas!

i know its a little bit of a messy concept but you get my drift! so its not about the technology its about the capitalist philosophy!

Discuss!!

You might be on to something here.. since ive heard that OEM's will be shipping computers with Vista in q4 this year.. but also maybe Microsoft had to grandiose plans for Vista (and a very optimistic time scehdule).. since there have been many things that was planned for Vista wich is now delayed.. new file system was just one of the things.. can't recall them all right now..

DVDs can't be that old, 15 years? Nah. Not even 10, not here anyway.

But I do think that we all know something that loads of other people apparently don't know about, in regards to some aspect or type of advanced technology. Many 'ordinary' people have signed things saying they won't reveal what they know ( quote marks just to emphasie that folks don't tend to think of themselves as that priviliedged to be so aware of whatever it may be ).

Probably the papers have been changed so that you now can't say that you signed anything either. Let's all mistrust one another and then post about what we suspect may be the case in areas out of our expertise.

If you want access to teh beta versions you can get a MSDN subscription (not cheap) and get it before its released. I have had access for about year to beta version.. but have not bothered to try it. Why... cause i still use a PIII 1G 256MB laptop with only 32MB of video. Its basically only used for internet and tuning the car. I don't even do video on that thing. Heck, my phone is running at around 500MHz. However, i can use the added HP for that application. Could i use better technology, sure... but would the cost benefit ratio suite my needs and am i willing to pay it.


One more thing about the computer industry (which may be a conspiracy) is there was a rule made (forgot by who) but it said that processer speed would double every 18 months. So far its been true.

Moores Law
en.wikipedia.org...'s_law

Technology doesn't have to get smaller when it comes to processor and bus architecture. I think if the size limit is reached (for things such as how many transistors fit on a certain area without the currents crossing over to unconnected paths) then the solution is just to make bigger chips again, and design boards that use way more than one processor - and OSs that make proper use of all features!

Personally I'd prefer to see more EEPROM being used for memory storage, especially for built-in OSs (with ROM ability for security etc, you don't want to do a 'hard-drive to the wastebin special'). I'd like to be able to switch on a computer and it's ready to go immediately, far more stable also. Not that HDs are no use, I just find it mad that they are used to store things like the OS in most use on.

Does anyone have any info or links to leaked info about supposed government work on "smart drugs" that enable more potential mind use?