Water Car Inventor Murdered.

Originally posted by BillyBobT
...who the heck care about patents and schematics?...

I do for one...I'd like to get hold of a set of plans to build my own working version, and as part of my CAD engineering education...anyone know how to get hold of plans if they're lodged as public records with US/International patent offices??

Just get in touch wih the patient office.

Just get in touch wih the patient office.

Just get in touch wih the patient office.

Stan Mayer's device is based on the fact that very little electricity can be used to separate H2 from water. Is this a viable assertion or is it BS?

Stan is not the first to be murdered (by oil barron goons?)....a guy in New Zealand was also....what makes Stan different is that he had perfected it down to a fine art over 20 years....his Hydrogen Dune Buggy could go from LA to NY on 22 gallons of water...& run much better than on gasoline....motors run much cooler on hydrogen, they are more powerful & smoother...the 'safe' Hydrogen Tech that makes & uses Hydrogen from water that he fine tuned is not the dangerous fuel cell or storage tank type that has been 'allowed' us....There are less efficent (up to 40% improvement) versions of Stans type available out there now for a few hundred bucks but they draw 8 amps or more from car alternator....but Stans was TOO good...the military wanted it....Stan died....GB

[edit on 25-10-2007 by dave7]

[edit on 25-10-2007 by dave7]

Just found some more info.... [ Stan Meyer was our technological savior. He said that America had become too dependent on oil and he wanted to change that. Although he had no formal education having quit high school, Stan Meyer was an inventive genius and his ideas were revolutionary. Using his amazing intellect for good rather than personal gain, he intended to help humanity. He wanted to free us from our enslavement to the Oil companies. He wanted to stop global warming. He was bound for the greatest glory that any person has ever known. He would have been the man who shattered humanity's oil dependency forever, ushering in a new dawn of prosperity, freedom, and hope for all except the greedy maniacal few who profit from selling oil and war.

His water powered car was better than an electric car because without numerous solar panels and plenty of sunlight they too must be charged by electricity produced ultimately from fossil fuels. Stan's car was far ahead of General Motors hydrogen car, which simply burned hydrogen stored in a fuel tank which had also been produced with power generated by fossil fuels.

Stan found a way of using only half an amp of electricity to fracture water molecules separating the oxygen and hydrogen on demand. As the hydrogen was produced it was burned creating combustion more powerful than gasoline, and water was the only significant exhaust emission. Stan Meyer's water engine technology could easily have been developed to power planes, ships, trains, and spacecraft, completely eliminating our need for oil.

Stan Meyer said he trusted in angels to protect him, but in March 1998, Stan was poisoned and died in the parking lot of a restaurant in his home town of Grove City, Ohio. According to his brother Steve, the U.S. Government came to Stan's home a week after his murder and confiscated his car, which got 100 miles per gallon of water, and they stole all of his research equipment which he had used to develop the new technology.

Stan had been threatened many times and would not sell out to Arab Oil Corp. Stan said he was offered a billion dollars from an Arab to basically shelve his idea but he said, "No, this technology is for the people."]
...." Energy yields from one gallon of water were predicted to equal that of 44,000 to 108,000 barrels of oil "....with his newest unpatiented tech...his standard WFC (Water Fuel Cell)...= USP # 4936961 .........the last words he said were, " I've been poisoned" , then he rushed out of the restaurant & collapsed & died in the parking lot.....


[edit on 26-10-2007 by dave7]

Originally posted by dave7
Stan is not the first to be murdered (by oil barron goons?)

No, he certainly wasn’t. He wasn’t murdered, period.

a guy in New Zealand was also

Prove it.

....what makes Stan different is that he had perfected it down to a fine art over 20 years....his Hydrogen Dune Buggy could go from LA to NY on 22 gallons of water

I never saw any proof of such. He liked to go drive around claiming his dune buggy ran on water, but never proved it.

...& run much better than on gasoline

Says who?

....motors run much cooler on hydrogen, they are more powerful & smoother...

Uh huuuh. And I’m sure you can quantify that.…

the 'safe' Hydrogen Tech that makes & uses Hydrogen from water that he fine tuned is not the dangerous fuel cell or storage tank type that has been 'allowed' us

True, because it doesn’t work.

....There are less efficent (up to 40% improvement) versions of Stans type available out there now for a few hundred bucks but they draw 8 amps or more from car alternator....but Stans was TOO good...the military wanted it....Stan died....GB

No, no and no.

Just found some more info.... [ Stan Meyer was our technological savior. He said that America had become too dependent on oil and he wanted to change that.

No, but that was his spiel.

Although he had no formal education having quit high school

That should be an indicator right there.

Stan Meyer was an inventive genius and his ideas were revolutionary.

Not at all. Scammers have been using the idea of unknown science and science kept secret for centuries.

Using his amazing intellect for good rather than personal gain, he intended to help humanity.

Stan found a way of using only half an amp of electricity to fracture water molecules separating the oxygen and hydrogen on demand.

Prove it.

As the hydrogen was produced it was burned creating combustion more powerful than gasoline, and water was the only significant exhaust emission.

Nope, hydrogen combustion is much weaker than gasoline, unless you’re using liquid hydrogen or hydrogen gas at very high pressures.

Stan Meyer's water engine technology could easily have been developed to power planes, ships, trains, and spacecraft, completely eliminating our need for oil.

If only it was real and not a stage act.

Stan Meyer said he trusted in angels to protect him, but in March 1998, Stan was poisoned and died in the parking lot of a restaurant in his home town of Grove City, Ohio.

Wrong. He died of an aneurysm.

According to his brother Steve, the U.S. Government came to Stan's home a week after his murder and confiscated his car, which got 100 miles per gallon of water, and they stole all of his research equipment which he had used to develop the new technology.

No word on what agency it was?

Stan had been threatened many times and would not sell out to Arab Oil Corp. Stan said he was offered a billion dollars from an Arab to basically shelve his idea but he said, "No, this technology is for the people."

You believe much too easily in what Stan said.

Energy yields from one gallon of water were predicted to equal that of 44,000 to 108,000 barrels of oil

By whom?

the last words he said were, " I've been poisoned" , then he rushed out of the restaurant & collapsed & died in the parking lot

Yeah. Guess his paranoia was genuine enough.

reply to post by NRen2k5

Originally posted by dave7: Stan is not the first to be murdered (by oil baron goons?)
NRen2k5: No, he certainly wasn’t. He wasn’t murdered, period.

Gasoline mileage has always been of interest to car owners. In my youth the popular story was the 250 mpg carburetor. Usually it was Standard Oil Company (ExxonMobil) that bought the invention or development and then put it safely “on the shelf” to prevent a great reduction in their sales of gasoline. Sometimes it was GM. (The Dupont family held the largest bock of shares in GM, 25% and a large stake in Standard Oil as well). See Note 1 below.

Most cars in the 1930s and 1940s got in the low 20s mpg. Highway cruising speeds were 45-50 mph. (During War 2, there was a Federal speed limit of 35 mph. See Note 2 below). It was popular for hucksters to demonstrate all kinds of high mileage devices at state and county fairs which were totally unregulated in the “good old days” as to gross exaggerations or even frauds. Caveat Emptor.

When World War 2 began in 1941, the following companies produced cars: GM, Ford, Chrysler, Studebaker, Nash, Hudson, Packard, Willys and Graham-Paige and Hupmobile. The latter 2 did not survive the war. Kaiser-Frazer joined the industry in 1947, but failed 6 years later. (There were no significant car imports into the US prior to 1946). Can you imagine how advantageous it would have been to any of the smaller car companies to have even a 50 mpg capability in competing with the Big 3?


NOTE 1:
dave7 says Stan Meyer patented his standard WFC (Water Fuel Cell).= USP # 4936961. I believe anyone can obtain a copy of this patent for $35 from the US Patent Office in W-DC.

NOTE 2: Low car cruising speeds were limited both by primitive bearing technology and large tolerances (by today’s standards) for moving parts. Lubricating oil capabilities were likewise elementary. Gasoline octane ratings were lower than today's. But most of all speeds were low before Dupont invented rayon and nylon because cotton cord tires were not able to withstand much heat before failing.


[edit on 10/27/2007 by donwhite]

For anybody about to jump in with “he got a patent, so it must work!”, not so fast.

A patent does not mean that the device patented works. A patent is a way of protecting a design for an invention from theft.

I saw some footage from CNN last year about a water powered engine and that the US military were interested in the technology (here is the link the video vids.myspace.com...).

I sent it around to everyone i knew and asked them to pass it on in the hope that someone would strive to commercialise this technology but to no avail.
The scientific based people came back saying the technology was not possible or at least, it would take more energy to breakdown 2H2O into 2H2 and O2, something to do with thermodynamics if i remember correctly.

Recently i got in contact with someone whom was willing to assist me (he is an engineer for an automotives company) and we hoped to have preliminary design for the reaction chamber where the electrolysis takes place by early next year. Due to present circumstances neither of us are able to work on the project at this time but we will strive to have it complete as soon as humanly possible (a design that isnt already patented).

One thing you can be sure of, if we get this working we will make sure the whole world and his son/daughter knows about this. We are out to better the world (and not our bank balance) and if some men in black offer large sums of money for the technology or to keep quiet i for one will not give into them nor will i live in fear. If something happens to us (ie murdered) rest assured people will know it was in relation to this and it will become public knowledge that the powers that be are in fact evil selfish greedy ******s with an agenda that is not to suit the masses.

Wish us luck =]


[edit on 27-10-2007 by rapturas]

[edit on 27-10-2007 by rapturas]

Originally posted by rapturas
I saw some footage from CNN last year about a water powered engine and that the US military were interested in the technology (here is the link the video vids.myspace.com...).

Ah, Denny Klein. Scammer. Next?

I sent it around to everyone i knew and asked them to pass it on in the hope that someone would strive to commercialise this technology but to no avail.

No surprise. Most people are smart enough to be skeptical about such videos. A good deal of people are smart enough to see right through them.

The scientific based people came back saying the technology was not possible or at least, it would take more energy to breakdown 2H2O into 2H2 and O2, something to do with thermodynamics if i remember correctly.

That’s correct.

Recently i got in contact with someone whom was willing to assist me (he is an engineer for an automotives company) and we hoped to have preliminary design for the reaction chamber where the electrolysis takes place by early next year. Due to present circumstances neither of us are able to work on the project at this time but we will strive to have it complete as soon as humanly possible (a design that isnt already patented).

Okay, good luck. I could tell you right now that it won’t work, but you’ll understand better when you figure it out for yourself.

One thing you can be sure of, if we get this working we will make sure the whole world and his son/daughter knows about this.

That’s a very big “if.”

Originally posted by NRen2k5

lol at least my post highlights the fact that CNN lie through their teeth =]

reply to post by NRen2k5


I have read that gasoline has about 34-36,000 btu per gallon. That it takes about 8,000 btu to bring a gallon of gasoline from the ground through the refinery to the pump. A net gain.

I have heard that ethanol contains about 24-26,000 but per gallon. That it takes more like 30,000 btu to plow the field, sow the seed, cut the weeds, harvest the crop, haul it to the mill, ship it to the Archer Daniels Midland plant where it is converted into ethanol using electricity from nearby coal fired plants as the energy source, and then to FORCE the sale of its product - say thank you Senator Dole - to gasoline refiners who must add it to their product thereby reducing the heat content per gallon. A net loss.

Taxpayers pay farmers to grow corn to sell to ADM, which makes an unnecessary product called ethanol which petroleum companies MUST buy to mix with gasoline under a law sponsored by Senator Dole, and at inflated prices, all to the final (and fiscal) disadvantage of taxpayers. An EARMARK that keeps on giving to the Rich and Famous and continues to COST the poor and poorer taxpayers. Thank You, Senator Dole!

[edit on 10/27/2007 by donwhite]

That very well may be true, though I suppose it varies from producer to producer.

Yep, Stan was murdered just cuz he gave the world
almost free energy. The government nor oil companies
can make a profit off of water. Can anybody say
"Oil Bankruptcy" ???

I shal post the material about the plans on building such a device, some of you e-mailed me , don't ask for help because I have experimented with it just a little, I lack the materials needed.

reply to post by Zeta115


He could also have been killed by bottled water companies.

Just saying.

Originally posted by donwhite
NOTE 1:
dave7 says Stan Meyer patented his standard WFC (Water Fuel Cell).= USP # 4936961. I believe anyone can obtain a copy of this patent for $35 from the US Patent Office in W-DC.

No need to pay. It's right here on Google Patents:

www.google.com...

And here's a search that returns all patents by Stanley A. Meyer:

www.google.com...


[edit on 1-12-2007 by nataylor]

Wow... all I can say is that some of you people are so narrow minded, it almost sounds like you're saying that nobody is supressing any alternative fuels and that gasoline is still our best bet. It's been more than 100 years, guys. And we're still running on the same damn thing as in the early 1900s. Whereas other technologies have improved thousands of times over, cars are still runing on stone-age fuel. There IS a cover up. I don't have proof, but ya know, look at history for your proof, ya friggin pinheads trashing everyone and not giving any evidence. God you people make me so sick. Morons like you still going "Ahilk gasoline is our only friend." I wanna shake you until all the indoctrination from all your years and years of "education" comes spilling out your nose.... How can you people be ON THIS SITE, yet be so naive and narrow minded?
Somebody close this argument before the flag waving oil addict Amerizombies spew any more garbage outta their mouths.
That's my two cents, and if you don't like it, go pray to science to come smite me.

[edit on 1-12-2007 by indierockalien]