New Video Footage of Flight 77 Hitting Pentagon Released

Originally posted by Souljah
I think this is a GOOD presentation of how it would look like IF a Boeing757 crashed into Pentagon:

Maybe if the 757 was from The Land of the Giants

The tail height of a 757 is only about 44' and the Pentagon is about 77'.

Yet in the GIF the 757 is taller than the building! Funnily enough the suggested dimensions from the limited information available form the videos does kind of fit, though it isn't conclusive. I really wonder how many people discussing this have any grasp of the scale involved? Has anyone here actually stood next to one of these planes or been in one? They really arn't as big as you might imagine.

Originally posted by Indy
Let me ask everyone this question...

If the parking lot and hotel videos got release and it didn't show an American Airlines 757-200 what would your opinion be about this "war on terror"?

However, I think they will be released and this is what they hope will bring people back to Bushs side while discrediting conspiracy theorist and people will not question any other more important questions surrounding that day.

They're just distracting people away from the real truth.

Originally posted by AgentSmith
The tail height of a 757 is only about 44' and the Pentagon is about 77'.
I really wonder how many people discussing this have any grasp of the scale involved?

Any chance someone can fix up a gif with the real dimensions? I would do it if I knew how, it would be sweet if an ATS person did a better job than whats already out there on the net.

Originally posted by Indy
If the parking lot and hotel videos got release and it didn't show an American Airlines 757-200 what would your opinion be about this "war on terror"?

OK we all know the FBI said those videos show nothing, but here is what I would do and in fact did here.

I went to my local Citgo station and asked the owner who I know if I could see what his security cameras see outside and he let me loo. What I saw was cameras pointed directly at each island with the pumps and they were zoomed in so that they showed only the Driver, Car and license plate. That was all you could see, all camera were pointed downward slightly also, which leaves out seeing something in the distance.

Using Logic, I would assume the hotel cameras are set the very same way, they are not interested in anything outside of their own property. Also from what I can gather the Hotel did not have a direct line of sight and was on the other side which would mean the cameras would have had to be pointed up and out, again something I doubt they would have done.

Now if I could go to my local station and manage to see what his cameras saw, why then can't all the conspiracy experts in DC take a run over and ask them what their cameras see and even ask to watch a monitor? My guess is they would see the same as I have concluded, and that is all the cameras are pointed slightly downward with no long range view possible.

They'll never prove anything, the people that believe it wasn't a 757 will always say it's fake and the people that think it was a 757 won't be convinced either on the whole. Not unless they show a picture which clearly shows something else and let's face it, that'll never happen.

They don't need anyone's approval, Bush was/is unpopular - he got re'elected'.
The truth has come out, front page news, on the NSA spying - an incredible crime in your country.. But still people apparantly voted in favour for it in a poll, and even if the poll is false - people think it's true and I don't see a civil war starting anytime soon anyway. You've had celebs on mainstream TV talking about the conspiracies, I see the 'Loose Change' BS is high up on the 'office attachment' type websites so a lot of people are seeing it.. And they all stare on with their glazy eyes as they tumble over the cliff.

People are bumbling around, nobody knows their rights and no-one really cares anyway. All this is just a game now, don't you see?

Originally posted by ronishia

Originally posted by onbekend59
Its a plane allright, no doubt about it.To bad we already knew that from the debris found near the pentagon and inside.

what debris? or am i missing something? maybe just me been a long day lol

There was some debris outside the pentagon and i remember some photos of the front of the crashsite that showed engine parts that have been identified to be part of some jet engine.
Also possible pieces of the landing gear are identified.
This has been discussed here .
I am pretty sure its a plane but i am unaware about the circumstances that day meaning it could have been any plane.

[edit on 17-5-2006 by onbekend59]

Originally posted by Souljah

The NEW tape from Pentagon does not Solve anything...

Nither did your doctored gif. It does state doctered on it; so it is a fake and does not represent the real thing.

Originally posted by AgentSmith

Maybe if the 757 was from The Land of the Giants

The tail height of a 757 is only about 44' and the Pentagon is about 77'.

Yet in the GIF the 757 is taller than the building! Funnily enough the suggested dimensions from the limited information available form the videos does kind of fit, though it isn't conclusive.

Also in the doctored/fake gif the LG appeared to be down which would not have been the case here so you have to subtract the gear height from the overall height.

As for seeing one I have, yes and even flown in one very cramped I might add, totally agree they are not as big as one might think

Indy says:

Also compare the explosions in that video to the explosions in NY. They all 3 have the same bright fireballs associated with exloding jet fuel.

Can anyone shed light on the appearance of the bright white explosion at the instant of impact followed by the red/orange/black sooty fireball? Would the jet fuel atomize and mix with atmospheric oxygen and explode in a bright white fireball like that immediately upon impact?

Originally posted by Indy
Let me ask everyone this question...

If the parking lot and hotel videos got release and it didn't show an American Airlines 757-200 what would your opinion be about this "war on terror"?

It still wouldn't answer the fact that 4 passenger planes can be hijacked , have their transponders turned off and still travel around as though everything was hunky dory.

Originally posted by AgentSmith
The tail height of a 757 is only about 44' and the Pentagon is about 77'.

It is not Taller - if I remember correctly the Plane hit the Building when it was AIRBORNE, meaning, that it was defiently HIGHER then the Pentagon, since it would have to be high at least 30ft, which is not that much for that big of a plane.

You are talking about, as if the airplane was on the ground, which is not possible, since it would blow up, at that kind of approach speed.

Hi everyone im new here but readin posts here for awhile, just to put my bit in here hehe. i dont know if anyone has pointed this out b4 but this video has been on the net b4 but as singular images but the plane seemed darker in the previous images. something else i checked up on was google satelite images of the helipad section of the pentagon were it got struck. i dont know how to link the image but if you go on yourself you can see 2 large trees in the path of were the plane would have flown/skidded into them! the plane was low enough to do some damage to them and they look like they have been there more than 5 years.
if someone could shed some light on that then ok, but its something to think about

Originally posted by Souljah
AIRBORNE, meaning, that it was defiently HIGHER then the Pentagon, since it would have to be high at least 30ft, which is not that much for that big of a plane.

Why 30'? The impact hole shows that at the time of impact the aircraft was exceedingly low. It may have been experiencing ground effect on approach but I imagine he will have thrust forward on the yoke at the end, that sort of force would override and cushioning effect LOL.
As I said anyway, the hole implies a flight level which corresponds with the given information.

I found this ...very interesting on--Madcow Morning News--"5.5 ton coc aine bust reveals new details of 9.11 attack". This madcow news site has some interesting findings........

Firstly, I stand on the side of those who think that all this video does is support the fact that a plane did not hit the Pentagon. A missile, perhaps, but not a plane. Maybe one of those styrofoam wind gliding planes taped to a missile, even...

Anyway, to ask why this was finally released is futile because the answer is simple: a 29% approval rating that was only going to get lower with the NSA spying on phone calls. The Bush Slaughterhouse needed some way to remind the country that there are still "terrorists" out in hiding. Conveniently releasing footage that reminds the public of what supposedly happened on 9/11 was, I'm assuming, a way to hopefully get more people to understand that the phone tapping ordeal was to "protect" them.

However, I think it backfired. I think it backfired BAD. The video is terrible and it's already rasied more eyebrows about 9/11 being an inside job as opposed to causing people to doubt the conspiracy. Keep it going Georgie! Nice job!

If you'd followed the path to getting this released over the last year or so like I have, you'd know it was only being refused due to the Moussauri trial, as that has finished an order was put in and the video subsequently released. The only way it could be a conspiracy to time it now with the popularity ratings would be to have the trial timed with it, over a period of many months at least. Hardly likely....

I know you're not addressing me but how difficult would it be to keep thousands of air traffic controllers, who knew this was Flight 77, quiet? The families of the 125 passengers and crew members, of Flight 77, that knew their loved ones boarded that fateful flight?

First of all I don't know what is up with American Airlines - they gave us info about the flights & passengers - but how can I ever verify? All I know is that the Government Lies on a Routine basis & I am not too Trusting of the Honesty & Integrity of Corporations these days! I haven't seen any interviews with the families of the Victims on TV. Do you know any personally? Is there anyone on ATS that had friends or family on American Airlines flight 77 on that day?

Please don't make a mockery of their deaths!
It's exactly what you and these other naysayers are doing.

How dare you? I am in NO WAY Denigrating the Deaths of the Victims of 9/11 by Questioning my Government & trying to find out the truth about what happened on that day for myself!!! This is well within my Rights - I am merely exercising Free-Speech & Free-Thought! I am an AMERICAN PATRIOT!!! I will not stand by and be told "You see a plane" when in fact I see *NO PLANE*! That is Insulting to ME! Sorry to disappoint you but I am not a Sheep follower!

Do you know what would REALLY be making a Mockery of the Deaths of those we lost on 9/11 - if Ultimately a *CORRUPTED POWER MAD FASCIST* Government was to blame - OUR Government - the Government that we STILL have - the Government that is STILL in Power - the Government that refuses to answer said questions - the Government that instead chooses to TAP our Phones & Computers - to Pass Un-Constitutional Laws - to Intimidate us! They would have us Blame & Chase the "Boogiemen" - when THEY are in fact Liable & Responsible for NOT doing their JOBS to begin with - now THAT is the REAL Mockery!!!

Originally posted by Seraphim_Serpente

Please don't make a mockery of their deaths!
It's exactly what you and these other naysayers are doing.

I will not stand by and be told "You see a plane" when in fact I see *NO PLANE*! That is Insulting to ME! Sorry to disappoint you but I am not a Sheep follower!

i agree completly with this statement if i dont see a plane imma say so, i agreed with most of what u said,
i am not a naysayer or trying to make a mockery of anything, the us goverment are clearly hiding something, and its up to us the people of the world to find out what REALLY happened before during and after 9/11, many people died pointless deaths Why?
because our goverments (the brittish and us) decided to storm into iraq for thier own personal agendas and not caring a damn for the people

Does anybody recall when the Pentagon was 'hit' that a news agency (BBC News 24 I think) reported that 'a large truck bomb has exploded outside the Pentagon'. This statement was never retracted and they never mentioned it again.

Not sure if anybody else can remember this?

check out cnn's website. they released the video yesterday and one of the reporters who was working the 9/11 story @ the pentagon that day did the story on this one. he goes back and reviews his coverage when he talked about not seeing a plane...and changes his story on this one saying "i didnt see it on the ground...i never said i didnt see it in the crash site...LOL