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Originally posted by SilverSurfer
Oil wouldn't become worthless even if all the cars in the world switched to fuel from water.. isnt just about every plastic oil-based ?
Just think of how much plastic an average household has.. sure oil would perhaps become less valued or atleast it would be sold in less quantities.. but it would still be a very useful product.
Originally posted by acura_el2000
you guys are saying that "they" would not let it happen, because they would loose profits in oil, and loose control. dont you think that it is silly to think like that, I mean, if someone could make a car that ran on water, and everyone could afford it, they could easily offset the difference in the cost of the car, say 15,000$ car today, becomes 30,000$ car because youve included the cost of gas for such and such years. all it means is that the control will shift to other companies with other interests, and so on...
or, it could only run on a special type of water, then charge that a fuel, there could be big money to be made from dasani in the future.
either way, i dont belive that there is a feasible working model, these "free engery" devices never work.
Originally posted by txdan06
and so if this type of technology was applicable and ready to use WHY THE HELL HASNT ANY GOVERNMENT OR NOTABLE PRIVATE AGENCY PUT THIS IDEA INTO A WORKABLE PROTOTYPE OR MODEL???
evidently this would be a massive accomplishment if we could have cars run on water so why has not one major governemnt or private group tried this???
just answer that question and i think you will see that A.) because of the conservation of energy it is impossible to make the car run for what it says it will and B.) if it is plausible how come no major group has used it or developed it? those are two looming questions that need to be answered before any more debate is done on the topic.
Originally posted by LazarusTheLong
A simple on site electrolysis set up, using filtered well water also on site... with a solar or wind powered set up to use for electricity?
Originally posted by Aelita
I don't have time to do calculations, but I can imagine that generating enough energy (for a filling station) would require prohibitively large solar or wind farms - real estate is limited in most areas.
[edit on 19-5-2006 by Aelita]
Originally posted by JIMC5499
One thing though. Has anybody given any thought what will happen if the world moves to Hydrogen? We will be replacing all of that carbon in the atmosphere with huge amounts of water vapor. We will also be reducing the particulates that are needed to form rain drops. Would this be a good or bad thing?
Originally posted by LazarusTheLong
So a infrastructure is feasable regarding location finding,
but is it feasable regarding energy needed to produce the local populations need of hydrogen?
Thanks for any help aelita, or other gifted mathmatical mind...
Originally posted by Aelita
Ok, let's assume that a medium to large size gas station powers 500 cars a day (I think it's fairly realistic). Each car has a 15 gallon tank (average). So we have 7500 gallons a day, which translates into 10**12 Joules. Assuming 100% conversion effiency, you need a generating plant with 10 million watts capacity, which is 10 Megawatts. One square meter of surface can produce about 100 watt at 100% efficiency. So you need the area of 10**5 square meters, which is 25 acres.
Every inefficiency will bring that surface area up.
Originally posted by JIMC5499
You are going to need more hydrogen than gasoline to drive the same distance. That shoots the 15 gallon tank in the foot.
The only economical way to carry enough Hydrogen to fuel a car is to liquify it, add the power for that process to your requirements
Originally posted by billybob
i heard a guy on art bell who claimed to have a hydrogen car which was completely self sufficient, with it's own solar cells as the source of energy, and the resultant hydrogen as fuel.
extended periods of darkness are a problem.
i don't know if it's true. i don't trust art bell farther than i could throw him.
Originally posted by JIMC5499
Originally posted by billybob
i heard a guy on art bell who claimed to have a hydrogen car which was completely self sufficient, with it's own solar cells as the source of energy, and the resultant hydrogen as fuel.
extended periods of darkness are a problem.
i don't know if it's true. i don't trust art bell farther than i could throw him.
It is possible, but not practical. The car would probably have to sit in the sun for a month just to make enough hydrogen to drive around the block.
Originally posted by JIMC5499
Originally posted by billybob
i heard a guy on art bell who claimed to have a hydrogen car which was completely self sufficient, with it's own solar cells as the source of energy, and the resultant hydrogen as fuel.
It is possible, but not practical. The car would probably have to sit in the sun for a month just to make enough hydrogen to drive around the block.
Originally posted by warpboost
I've watched this water fuel video clip several times. one thing I noticed at the very begining when he shows that flame is only warm to the touch but then proceeds to cut rate theu something is that he adjusts the valve on the torch handle like when you turn the oxygen on with a conventional oxy acetylene setup. I'm not saying he's using oxy accetylenne or that he's a fraud but it was something I noticed.
In looking up the correct spelling of acetylene I learned that its C2H2, and was wondering if the HHO gas this guy is creating is somehow bonding with carbon atoms when put on steel, rock etc.. becoming C2H2 and O2 and basically working as a supercharged oxygen accetylenne torch?
When he says he's using electricity to break water down by breaking the bonds on H2O and making HHO doesnt that electrolysis process require more electricity than the system could produce; especially in something like a car where it would need power for both propulsion and fuel egeneration?
In looking around for an answer I found this page which suggests using a fuel cell paired with a electrolysis process
hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu...
This was posted on ATSNN a while back. I think it's a scam. People have been claiming to have reinvented hydrolysis to produce some magical gas mixture since cars were invented.
From their own website:
The H2O Model 1500 Aquygen™ Gas Generator is powered by water and electricity only! - website
I was also unable to locate any of their supposed "patents" in any patent database I have acces to (including some paid subscription commercial databases).
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