What Color is Allah to Muslims?

a reply to: truthound

Woe. The Koran mentions Mary and Jesus.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

Much like the different Bible versions today, there are flavors of interpretations of the Koran based on sect or as we call them in Christianity Denominations. The current one trying to kill off all other versions is that promoted by the Islamic State known as ISIS they claim to have the only true INTERPRETATION, Sunni interpretation. While the Shiites claim they have the only true interpretation. And here in America you have the Nation of Islam and it is nothing like Islam of Indonesia, Africa, Middle East. It is the same problem here as it is with Bibles today, SINFUL, MURDEROUS, SICK, PERVERTED MEN AND WOMEN DESIRING TO RULE OVER OTHER SINFUL, MURDEROUS, SICK, PERVERTED MEN AND WOMEN. But sin was already dealt with on the cross. Love it or leave it.

you can write a whole thread.

You can write a whole novel, a series of novels arguing your belief.

It doesn't change the fact that Allah is Arabic for God.

So when you post this

It will open your eyes to the truth about the so called god, Allah.

you have said .... it will open your eyes to the truth about the so called god, God.

the history you have has been changed to hide the truth.

is a response to being shown how wrong you are.


No point in interacting with a wall that is built not to move an inch.


Lucky for ATS we have a poster that knows of a hidden history and will only allude to it when shown they are wrong about documented history.



You win 1st prize for joker of the day

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
the history you have has been changed to hide the truth.

History is verified studies of evidence. And we have many independent secular historians from all over the world, free from biased views of religion institute, or influence of government disinfo agents. So rest assure with the truth. It will eventually surface no matter how sneaky it hides. Try to control internet freedom of information? Easy. Just hack firewall or use vpn or proxy. China, Russia and India release their own satellite communication we could always use, in case, US and Europe going nuts with freedom of speech. I'm sure foreign interest in religion artifact would not harm China, Russia and India internal security. See? Problem solved. Easy. There is no way to hide information with ancient history. Not that it's worth the trouble anyway.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
A unicorn is a hair covered, one horned beast that cannot be tamed, anyone who thinks it is a horned horse is a fool.

Only a fool believe unicorn was not man-made term for mythical horse. It baffle me why God inspired author choose this childish Greek fantasy creature to represent the word of god.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
I would not want to die with those words "I leave the sin myth on cross" in my heart for they would condemn me forever.

Being forsaken was a necessary part of the work Jesus came to do, that is why he agonized in prayer the night that began the sixth day of the week of unleavened bread.

My father never forsake me. No matter how much I sin. Even if I reject Him, He will never curses me. Instead he tears and suffer for my rebellion. He takes all the burden and let me see. It's through his grace and suffering that I come to repent and realize the sin I've commited.

My father is not Jesus.

a reply to: EasternShadow

yeah yeah I have heard it all before, not just about Christian history, but about secular history, science history, and history's history.

Unicorn was the name given it by Adam when God brought them before him to see what he would call them. And whatever he called them that is what they were called. Some 3,000 year old fossilized remains of a short legged, broad bodied, with hair (so it was a mammal), teeth of an Bovine more or less, with a large horn that took up most of it face. It is thought the horn was used to plow the ground to dig up roots and for protection. Scientist lost out, as well as so called biblical scholars who tried to make it a rhinoceros. Turns out the unicorn was a herding animal, rhinoceros are not herding and they don't have a real horn at all. Rhino's are pack animals so science does not technically categorize them as herding animals. Unicorns are just short, fat little cattle with one real horn in their face, they herd meaning they graze like most herding animals i.e. cows and bulls, sheep, goats, antelope, Elk and deer.

If you would put timelines to "so called Greek fantasies" you would find that most of the Greek gods were based on Biblical characters, pre and post flood, as well as Biblical characters like Samson, no Greek record of Hercules until after Samson was on the scene, giant gods were known as the sons of God dating back to the time of the Flood and then appeared shortly there after. The sons of God are angles, Cherubs, Seraphims and Cherubims, they stood anywhere from 12 to 18 ft tall. Not 90 feet as Mohammad tried to sell off his wares after reading the OT Rabbi's commentaries which also claimed such about all the sons of God including Adam (plagiarized like he did Bible verses that were read to him). Pan is a description of a Cherub, reddish burning bronze color, with the face and head of an Ox with horns, cloven feet, Satyrs were also known in Biblical times before the Greeks came to prominence as a world power to spread their false gods copied from the Jews.

You know little about the character of the LORD God Almighty, you either come to him via Jesus Christ's (his literal blood born son) finished work of the cross today or the sword of his wrath is still got its point on you.

You are correct Jesus Father is not your father, nor is Jesus who is called an ever lasting father. Your father is the one who opposes God and is known as the father of lies and has been a murderer from the beginning. Your fathers act of murder took place long before man was created. That is how there came to be darkness.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: truthound

Woe. The Koran mentions Mary and Jesus.

Yep. In fact, the 19th Surah (Al-Mariam) is named after Mary/Mariam. And the Qur'an flat out calls the Prophet Jesus "Masih/Messiah" multiple times, including Surah 3:45 (Pickthall translation) and Surah 4:171 (Pickthall translation.

The Prophet Jesus is one of the 4 most revered Prophets in Islam. However, we believe that he was a mortal man and that he was only able to do his miracles with God's direct blessing. If you read the second link I posted (that goes to Surah 3, Ayat 45), it even goes on to affirm Mariam/Mary's virginity, too.

45. (And remember) when the angels said: O Mary! Lo! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a word from him, whose name is the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, illustrious in the world and the Hereafter, and one of those brought near (unto Allah).

46. He will speak unto mankind in his cradle and in his manhood, and he is of the righteous.

47. She said: My Lord! How can I have a child when no mortal hath touched me ? He said: So (it will be). Allah createth what He will. If He decreeth a thing, He saith unto it only: Be! and it is.

48. And He will teach him the Scripture and wisdom, and the Torah and the Gospel,

49. And will make him a messenger unto the Children of Israel, (saying): Lo! I come unto you with a sign from your Lord. Lo! I fashion for you out of clay the likeness of a bird, and I breathe into it and it is a bird, by Allah's leave. I heal him who was born blind, and the leper, and I raise the dead, by Allah's leave. And I announce unto you what ye eat and what ye store up in your houses. Lo! herein verily is a portent for you, if ye are to be believers.

I've intentionally chosen not to participate in this thread because it's amazing how much people here speculate on Islam when they clearly don't even know the basics. It would be like me ranting against Hamlet for multiple pages in threads without ever having read it.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
yeah yeah I have heard it all before, not just about Christian history, but about secular history, science history, and history's history.

Yes. History is not just story. It's a verified well studied story of the past. Unlike the fable unicorn in classical English or Greek.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
Unicorn was the name given it by Adam when God brought them before him to see what he would call them. And whatever he called them that is what they were called.

Adam did not call it unicorn. Unicorn is English word for well known man-made fantasy horse. And English doesn't exist in the beginning.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
Unicorns are just short, fat little cattle with one real horn in their face, they herd meaning they graze like most herding animals i.e. cows and bulls, sheep, goats, antelope, Elk and deer.

That would not be unicorn. Hebrew call them reem. No one herds unicorns except maybe in fantasy stories.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
If you would put timelines to "so called Greek fantasies" you would find that most of the Greek gods were based on Biblical characters, pre and post flood, as well as Biblical characters like Samson, no Greek record of Hercules until after Samson was on the scene, giant gods were known as the sons of God dating back to the time of the Flood and then appeared shortly there after. The sons of God are angles, Cherubs, Seraphims and Cherubims, they stood anywhere from 12 to 18 ft tall.

Greek is not the first. Before Greek, there was Babylon, Assyria, Egypt and other ancient empires that was told in the period of Biblical Old Testaments. We have a lot of ancient evidences to compare with. Greek sun god(s) Helios and Apollo was also Roman god Sol Invictus celebrated by Christian every 25th December. Did Jesus teach you that? Did Jesus teach you to observe Passover? You choose to ignore him, do you?

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
Not 90 feet as Mohammad tried to sell off his wares after reading the OT Rabbi's commentaries which also claimed such about all the sons of God including Adam (plagiarized like he did Bible verses that were read to him).

Muhammad didn't plagiarize unicorn to make up the fairy tale of word of god. That's obvious.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
You know little about the character of the LORD God Almighty, you either come to him via Jesus Christ's (his literal blood born son) finished work of the cross today or the sword of his wrath is still got its point on you.

Lol. Threating others is what your god did best. But this is modern age. We are no longer the fools who submit easily by mythical threats. Especially from your god. It has become cliche and boring. I don't afraid of unicorn believers empty threat.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
You are correct Jesus Father is not your father, nor is Jesus who is called an ever lasting father.

You are right. I don't worship Sol Invictus ( aka Helios or Apollo ), his son and ghost. I don't celebrate 25th December every year. I don't believe in Greeks mythos and Santa Claus. I don't believe in Easter Rabbit. I don't believe in magical laziness to bear fruit by simple faith.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
Your father is the one who opposes God and is known as the father of lies and has been a murderer from the beginning. Your fathers act of murder took place long before man was created. That is how there came to be darkness.

Your story is as old as time. Your Sun God, Sol Invictus through Constantine lied and murdered a lot too. What can I say?

My father also murdered billion human with flood, earthquakes and many natural disasters. He commanded genocide to the Amalekites, expelled the Jews from holy land, and will release gog and Magog to devour the world. This pathetic world will end and many people will die.


Now go read John of Patmos's revelation and believe as much as you want before they happen. Pray that the seven spirits will grant your wish to see unicorns, Satyr, dragon, cockrice, the talking donkey and others to life. Hopefully they will be friendly to you. If they don't, then pray to Jesus to have mercy on you.

In the beginning, the world was void and without form. In darkness, everlasting work in order as intended.

a reply to: GreatTech

Two things.

1) The Qur'an blames Adam and Eve equally for the sin of eating the fruit. So your "point" there doesn't have any bearing on Islam. From Surah 7, Ayats 20-23 (Pickthall translation):

20. Then Satan whispered to them that he might manifest unto them that which was hidden from them of their shame, and he said: Your Lord forbade you from this tree only lest ye should become angels or become of the immortals.

21. And he swore unto them (saying): Lo! I am a sincere adviser unto you.

22. Thus did he lead them on with guile. And when they tasted of the tree their shame was manifest to them and they began to hide (by heaping) on themselves some of the leaves of the Garden. And their Lord called them, (saying): Did I not forbid you from that tree and tell you: Lo! Satan is an open enemy to you ?

23. They said: Our Lord! We have wronged ourselves. If thou forgive us not and have not mercy on us, surely we are of the lost!

2) According to the Qur'an, humans aren't able to see God in the first place. So your question is kind of pointless. The same Surah 7 (Ayat 143) says the following when the Prophet Musa/Moses asked God to reveal Himself to him.

143. And when Moses came to Our appointed tryst and his Lord had spoken unto him, he said: My Lord! Show me (Thy Self), that I may gaze upon Thee. He said: Thou wilt not see Me, but gaze upon the mountain! If it stand still in its place, then thou wilt see Me. And when his Lord revealed (His) glory to the mountain He sent it crashing down. And Moses fell down senseless. And when he woke he said: Glory unto Thee! I turn unto Thee repentant, and I am the first of (true) believers.

So not only could Moses not see God, but the mountain crumbled when trying to reflect God's image and Moses fainted from the experience.

And Surah 6, Ayat 103 (Pickthall translation) makes the point in even simpler terms:

102. Such is Allah, your Lord. There is no God save Him, the Creator of all things, so worship Him. And He taketh care of all things.

103. Vision comprehendeth Him not, but He comprehendeth (all) vision. He is the Subtile, the Aware.

a reply to: GreatTech

The bible isnt saying God is the color of light

I mean, really. Is the topic what color is gods flesh or would it be if he chose a husk for himself?

double.

a reply to: EasternShadow

I know too that Dec 25th is a pagan holiday, and is not Jesus Christ's birth date. We celebrate the holiday, like a secular holiday, though in our home it is Christmas, for lack of a better term, all year round. I always give gifts to my wife and kids even though it is not a holiday or their birthday. I once gave the shirt and shoes I was wearing to a homeless man because he had none and they fit him.

I like to use, what is unique about that date Dec 25th, as an analogy. The earth, the home of mankind, is the furthest from the sun, which gives life to the earth. Just like when man was the furthest he could get from God, God sent his son in the likeness of sinful man. So even the made up Alexandrian Roman Catholic Church has an analogy to it by using that date.

Even the day of Christ's resurrection very rarely lines up with the Alexandrian Roman Catholic Church day of Easter Sunday another pagan holiday. I like to remember his actual day of resurrection, even though we may go to church that day and have to listen to the Easter story or a preaching of some kind on that day.

Even though it was Paul who teaches the church, the physical bodies of the believers on Christ, was to gather on the first day of the week, again very seldom does that day line up with our current Sunday. I have yet to find a church that follows the Hebrew calendar over the current Gregorian one.

Mohammad may not have plagiarized unicorn but he did a few other Bible verses and events.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: EasternShadow

I know too that Dec 25th is a pagan holiday, and is not Jesus Christ's birth date. We celebrate the holiday, like a secular holiday, though in our home it is Christmas, for lack of a better term, all year round. I always give gifts to my wife and kids even though it is not a holiday or their birthday. I once gave the shirt and shoes I was wearing to a homeless man because he had none and they fit him.

You could not do that on Passover? How very convenient of you.
Jesus celebrate Passover. You celebrate Christmas. Jesus prayed on Passover. You pray on Christmas. Jesus pray to his father ONLY. You pray to godhead, "In the name of father, son and holy spirit...". Jesus never say about unicorn and Easter Rabbit. Yet, You believe in this as word of god.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
I like to use, what is unique about that date Dec 25th, as an analogy. The earth, the home of mankind, is the furthest from the sun, which gives life to the earth. Just like when man was the furthest he could get from God, God sent his son in the likeness of sinful man.

Of course. The Cult of Sol Invictus would used the same analogy. They have their own son of god too, Mithra.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
So even the made up Alexandrian Roman Catholic Church has an analogy to it by using that date.

The cult of Sol Invictus made up a lot of fairy tales. It's not surprising at all.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
Even the day of Christ's resurrection very rarely lines up with the Alexandrian Roman Catholic Church day of Easter Sunday another pagan holiday. I like to remember his actual day of resurrection, even though we may go to church that day and have to listen to the Easter story or a preaching of some kind on that day.

I'm sure Easter Rabbit will be grateful to your devotion. More you honor Pagan's "Holy Days," more closer to you to Greco-Roman Paganisme.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
Even though it was Paul who teaches the church, the physical bodies of the believers on Christ, was to gather on the first day of the week, again very seldom does that day line up with our current Sunday. I have yet to find a church that follows the Hebrew calendar over the current Gregorian one.

Yup. Typical Christian. Hypocrisy to no ends. You claim to follow Jesus way, but you make your own law. You claim to honor Jesus, but you do not honor his Passover tradition. Instead you prefer to honor the birth of sun god. You claim you believe in Jesus' words, but you believe in Santa Claus and Easter Rabbit to bring you gifts. You claim you believe in Salvation, but you are lazy to keep Jesus' command. That's why your religion has the most priest who commit pedophilia. Your hypocrites shun you from the god of Abraham. You do not worship the god of Abraham and you do not honor Jesus. You worship Sol Invictus and honor Mithra. Your prophet is Constantine and your Gospel is Eusebius, a licking boot for sun emperor and the father of lies.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
Mohammad may not have plagiarized unicorn but he did a few other Bible verses and events.

Muhammad worship god of Abraham. He did not invented the Old Testamens. Unlike christian who worship mithra, and Sol invictus, and invented Unicorn, Santa Claus and Easter Rabbit. Way to go with false faith.

Your sun god does not even know you honor his birthday every 25th December. Neither Rabbit nor Santa Claus could have thought to bring gift to christian children. And you are responsible to teach them lies.Your entire generation of religion is based on mythical lies.

You never follow Jesus' way. And you dare to say my father lies?

a reply to: EasternShadow

Even if we wanted to celebrate the Passover which included the 7 days Feast of Unleavened Bread, and a holy convocation at the end of it, we could not do it as God wanted it to be done.

You know why?

1) We are not Jews. If you are, you still could not do it Biblically because there is no Temple.

2) The Passover is for Jews only.

3) Again there is no temple.

I pray every day at least once but on an average about three times a day.

Col 2:16 ¶ Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]:

I don't worship the sun, but it is interesting that the day the RC chose to place his birthday on coincided as I said with the time the Earth is farthest from the Sun as it could get. Why not have a day to make merry and give gifts that is what people do. Oh, wait that is what they will do when they kill the two witnesses during the Great day of the Lord, the Lord's day, the day of great darkness, also known as Jacob's trouble.

Do you know what day the true Sabbath days will fall on our Secular calendar for the next three weeks? They are not on Saturdays but occasionally they o fall on a Saturdays. The actual resurrection day this year fell on Monday April 2nd.

Jesus never placed law on a gentile. James the brother of Christ along with the other elders in Jerusalem, gave a declaration that was sent to the church, the body of Christ, that not one law would be placed on the Gentile believers. Also Paul reiterated 9 of the 10 commandments and the only one he never restated by inspiration of God was observing the Sabbath.

Romans 13:7 ¶ Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.
8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

I worship Jesus Christ, the fullness of the Godhead bodily, the Word, he is one with and is God.

John 1:1 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
1John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
Rev 19:13 And he [was] clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

He alone is the only one worth worshiping, he is the only one worthy of all honor, glory and raise forever and ever, Amen.

I am not a jew and I will not convert to Judaism for that religion is for Israel alone, a kingdom of priests they shall be and serve him in the temple (not here yet), The Nations (the UN) will come every month and make oblations unto him and one day God will complete the work the earth was really for to honor and glorify Jesus Christ on a throne and a city not built with hands but built of God. After 1,000 years God will judge both the living and the dead of all men who ever lived.

Rev 20:1 ¶ And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
11 ¶ And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Rev 21:1 ¶ And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

Mohammad never made one prophecy, Jesus made quite a few and they all came true. And there are about 300 Biblical prophecies that will still come to pass including all I posted above.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: EasternShadow

Even if we wanted to celebrate the Passover which included the 7 days Feast of Unleavened Bread, and a holy convocation at the end of it, we could not do it as God wanted it to be done.

Yet again, you show your defiance to the bible.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
You know why?

1) We are not Jews. If you are, you still could not do it Biblically because there is no Temple.

2) The Passover is for Jews only.

You are not even good with Paul's teaching. This is the message from Paul to the gentiles.
1 Corinth 5:7
"Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth”

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
3) Again there is no temple.

Who said Passover has to be done in Temple only? Jesus did not had his last super at any temple at all. Instead, he celebrated his last Passover with his followers. This is what known as Passover Seder. Now go read Jesus last super.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
Col 2:16 ¶ Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]:

You do not follow Jesus' Passover. You do not follow Paul's advice to keep the festival, 1 Corinth 5:7. You made a lot of excuses.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
I don't worship the sun, but it is interesting that the day the RC chose to place his birthday on coincided as I said with the time the Earth is farthest from the Sun as it could get. Why not have a day to make merry and give gifts that is what people do.

Jesus did not teach you that. Neither did Paul. You Christian, like to make up your own excuses not to follow Jesus' way.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
Oh, wait that is what they will do when they kill the two witnesses during the Great day of the Lord, the Lord's day, the day of great darkness, also known as Jacob's trouble.

Again more excuses. Why don't you just admit you lies to your children with regard to Santa Claus, Easter Rabbit and Unicorn? At least your children don't grow up with your lies, and appreciate you more for giving them presents, instead of magical fat man from north/south pole.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
Do you know what day the true Sabbath days will fall on our Secular calendar for the next three weeks? They are not on Saturdays but occasionally they o fall on a Saturdays. The actual resurrection day this year fell on Monday April 2nd.

Spare me the April fool joke. I know you dont celebrate Jesus actual resurrection days. You rather celebrate Pagan's Easter Rabbit than actual Resurrection days. You never follow Biblical Calender. And you mock the actual resurrection days, You pagan sun worshipper.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
Jesus never placed law on a gentile. James the brother of Christ along with the other elders in Jerusalem, gave a declaration that was sent to the church, the body of Christ, that not one law would be placed on the Gentile believers.

Don't lies.
Acts 21:25
As for the Gentile believers, we have written them our decision that they must abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals, and from sexual immorality.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
I worship Jesus Christ, the fullness of the Godhead bodily, the Word, he is one with and is God.

He alone is the only one worth worshiping, he is the only one worthy of all honor, glory and raise forever and ever, Amen.

Worship Jesus alone? You are not very good with christian godhead, either. What happen to the father and holy spirit? Are you ditching the godhead, three in one, already?

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
I am not a jew and I will not convert to Judaism for that religion is for Israel alone, a kingdom of priests they shall be and serve him in the temple (not here yet),

Who ask you to convert to Judaism? I certainly never hint that. All I did is to remind you of Jesus way, whom christian like you have long forgotten and abandoned. I am neither a Pharisee, nor a Saducee. You are welcome to ignore me. If you believe your god is NOT the god of Abraham, then it's fine me. It does not negate the fact that Allah is Arabic generic term for god. To be fair with you, I will use one of Allah's 99 proper names. How about Al(EL)-Ahad ( The One )? Or would you prefer Hebrew names, such as, אֶהְיֶה אֲשֶׁר אֶהְיֶה ( I AM THAT I AM )?

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
The Nations (the UN) will come every month and make oblations unto him and one day God will complete the work the earth was really for to honor and glorify Jesus Christ on a throne and a city not built with hands but built of God. After 1,000 years God will judge both the living and the dead of all men who ever lived.Rev 20:1

John of Patmos did not said 3000 years ( another 1000 years after 2000 years of failed prophecy ). He said "soon", but you are welcomed to make up any years you want. You know more than Matthew 24:43, 1 Thessalonians 5:2,1 Thessalonian 5:4, 2 Peter 3:10.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
Mohammad never made one prophecy, Jesus made quite a few and they all came true. And there are about 300 Biblical prophecies that will still come to pass including all I posted above.

Muhammad never made failed prophecies, nor promised it will happen "soon" or "in the same generation" like New Testament BS. Jesus would never make such fatal mistakes.

Your so-called "inspired" man make mistakes with many things. Perhaps you should really stop believing in sun god lies, Santa Claus, Easter Rabbit, pagan tradition and Unicorn.

a reply to: EasternShadow

First, you're taking 1 Cor 5:7 right out of its context, Paul was not talking about the Law of Moses, for gentiles to keep the Jewish Passover. He's talking about having fellowship with false believers.

And lastly, you made hayah a name when it is not a name at all. Just because Moses asked God what he should say to them if they asked who sent him, does not make hayah a noun, a title or a name, it is a statement to Moses and then the LORD said to Moses tell them "I Am hath sent me unto you", shalach with no hayah in that last statement Moses was to say to Israel. In Old English just like today capitalizations were used to show importance not just to signify it was anoun because it was not a noun. Moses was never told to say unto them "I AM THAT I AM", that is a false teaching from whom ever it was who first said, "Moses was to say unto them I AM THAT I AM hath sent me unto you".

God knew that the children of Israel would know when the term "I am" was who sent Moses, they would run it back to Abraham and know it was the Lord God Almighty. Not I AM THAT I AM. Read the verses below in simple 6th grade English, Moses was to to say unto them that "I am hath sent me . . . ." No one before Moses knew him a Jehovah JHVH and no on knew him as I AM THAT I AM.

Ex 3:14 And God ('elohiym) said ('amar) unto Moses, (mosheh) I AM (hayah) THAT I AM: (hayah) and he said, ('amar) Thus shalt thou say ('amar) unto the children (ben) of Israel, (Yisra'el) I AM hath sent (shalach) me unto you.
Ex 6:2-3 And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD: And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

You can't read 6th grade English and you are trying to teach me Hebrew? You came to verse three and replaced it with verse two, and in so doing you corrupted the words of God.

So because of your corruption of his words, the rest of your post is moot because it is made of nothing but mistakes and lies.

yet I say again, I don't believe in Santa Claus, Easter Bunnies or sun gods. But Unicorns are in God's word, so I believe it over yours. And you are welcome to do and to believe whatever you like, just remember self-righteousness will get no one in the good graces with the Lord God Almighty, Jesus Christ or the Holy Ghost now or in the day of their judgement.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: EasternShadow

First, you're taking 1 Cor 5:7 right out of its context, Paul was not talking about the Law of Moses, for gentiles to keep the Jewish Passover. He's talking about having fellowship with false believers.

Who said anything about Law of Moses? I said follow Jesus' example and follow Paul's teaching. Paul said, "LET US"."US" there do not mean false believers. It's for all the gentiles, including Paul himself. Allow me to paste again what Paul's said.

For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. Therefore let us keep the Festival,
So what's out of context are you talking about?

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
And lastly, you made hayah a name when it is not a name at all. Just because Moses asked God what he should say to them if they asked who sent him, does not make hayah a noun, a title or a name, it is a statement to Moses and then the LORD said to Moses tell them "I Am hath sent me unto you", shalach with no hayah in that last statement Moses was to say to Israel. In Old English just like today capitalizations were used to show importance not just to signify it was anoun because it was not a noun. Moses was never told to say unto them "I AM THAT I AM", that is a false teaching from whom ever it was who first said, "Moses was to say unto them I AM THAT I AM hath sent me unto you".

Wow strawman argument. I cant believe, you are disagreeing your own King James Version with regard to Ehyeh asher ehyeh (Hebrew: אֶהְיֶה אֲשֶׁר אֶהְיֶה), being a proper name of God of Abraham. Obviously your opinion has no merit to KJV translators.

The King James Version of the Bible translates the Hebrew as "I Am that I Am" and uses it as a proper name for God

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Now study the names of god from link above.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
So because of your corruption of his words, the rest of your post is moot because it is made of nothing but mistakes and lies.

My corruption of his words? Lol. You don't even know God of Abraham proper names in Hebrew. Grade 6th student should know Hebrew noun has nothing to do with English noun. They are different language with different syntax and grammar. You obvious have failed this.

Now stop BSing and study the proper names from the link I provide above.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
I say again, I don't believe in Santa Claus, Easter Bunnies or sun gods. But Unicorns are in God's word, so I believe it over yours.

So, Santa Claus, Easter Bunnies and Sun god is not OK, but to celebrate them due to paganism is OK? Lol.
You would believe unicorn, but reject KJV for using god proper names in Hebrew such as, "I AM THAT I AM"? And you equate them with 6th grade? Lol. This is the funniest joke you make today. You really get caught denying KJV perfectionist this time. I feel sorry for you. You seriously need to study the archaic English KJV which you defend vigorously.

Your pride is one of the seven deadly sin. But that's your call.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
And you are welcome to do and to believe whatever you like, just remember self-righteousness will get no one in the good graces with the Lord God Almighty, Jesus Christ or the Holy Ghost now or in the day of their judgement.

Isn't that what you always do? It's OK for you to be self-righteous, but it's not OK for other people? Lol. Christians' hypocrisy is amazing unbelievable.

Your self-righteous is the reason you claim that god is not the same as Allah in the first place. It's your self righteous to try to force your belief to other people. Aren't you the one who first claim that Allah is moon god with three daughters pre-Islamic, in the first place? So, why are you agitating when I refute you back with sun god? Your religion's tradition is derived from Greco-Roman paganism such as Christmas and Easter Days. You know I'm telling you the truth. It hurts, doesn't it?

it's my position that God or Allah are/would be the color of the Ink the Scribes used to jot down All-the-Holy-Books

I have a suspicion that only certain ink combinations were officially used to produce the sacred scrolls of ancient writing of Holy text...and on through history the ink tradition continued, including the Vatican/Roman church using only 'holy ink' used by the Monks who made copies of the 'scriptures' as their Duty to-the-Faith.

of course the 'disclaimer' that God/Allah has no image or form which we can comprehend...so no skin color...

I disagree
No ancient "Holy Books/Scrolls' are dark parchment or animal skin with white or lighter colored lettering/symbol

~ergo... the dark symbols written on a lighter medium are a representative reflection of the Deity itself~

a reply to: EasternShadow

Keeping the Passover is part of the law of Moses and it was not found anywhere in 1Cor 5. You inferred it was when you highlighted "let us keep the feast", that is the feast of the Passover and the 7 days that follow. But Paul was not speaking of the feast of the Passover as you imply, but only about fellowship with those who claimed to be brothers in Christ and were still living in sin.

You miss-applied the whole context to keeping a feast and it had nothing to do with a feast but fellowship.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: EasternShadow

Keeping the Passover is part of the law of Moses and it was not found anywhere in 1Cor 5. You inferred it was when you highlighted "let us keep the feast", that is the feast of the Passover and the 7 days that follow. But Paul was not speaking of the feast of the Passover as you imply, but only about fellowship with those who claimed to be brothers in Christ and were still living in sin.

You miss-applied the whole context to keeping a feast and it had nothing to do with a feast but fellowship.

I am well aware of what the entire 1 Corinth 5 are about. Paul was addressing his church to imitate him.

1 Corinth 4:14-16
I am writing this not to shame you but to warn you as my dear children. Even if you had ten thousand guardians in Christ, you do not have many fathers, for in Christ Jesus I became your father through the gospel. Therefore I urge you to imitate me.

1 Corinth 5 deal issue with immoral sexuality. He was concern his followers had boasted their sinful act, thus 1 Corinth 5:6-8 was issued as comparison to keeping the feastival.

1 Corinth 5:6-8
Your boasting is not good. Don’t you know that a little yeast leavens the whole batch of dough? Get rid of the old yeast, so that you may be a new unleavened batch—as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. Therefore let us keep the Festival, not with the old bread leavened with malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

There is no out of context with "keep the feastival" there. It's out of context because you want it to be appear that way. But it doesn't negate that Paul mentioned literal event, which is “Christ our Passover was sacrificed for us.”

Some go to great lengths to attempt to sidestep this clear command to “keep the feast” by alleging that the expression is in some way figurative, since he uses other figurative language in this section of Scripture. But the reason he gives to “keep the Feast” is because “Christ our Passover was sacrificed for us.” Christ’s sacrifice was a literal event; so is keeping the festival that relates to His sacrifice. And a cardinal rule of interpreting the Bible is to prefer “the simple, obvious meaning” ( Edward W. Goodrick, Do It Yourself Hebrew and Greek, p. 12:1 ).

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David Stern concludes:

“I question the common assumption that Sha’ul’s Passover language here is entirely figurative. I see no compelling reason in the context to excise the plain sense…from the phrase, ‘Let us celebrate the Seder.’ Instead, it seems the early believers, Gentiles included, observed the Jewish feast of Pesach…Evidently the Corinthian congregation observed Passover without supposing that, as many of today’s Christians might think, they were ‘going back under the Law’” (Jewish New Testament Commentary, p. 447) .

These feasts were kept by all the faithful until, under the influence of the Church of Rome, paganism entered and began to corrupt the once pure faith. Under the guise of “converting the pagans,” Victor, the Bishop of Rome, compromised with paganism, adopting pagan celebrations such as Christmas and Easter while setting aside the feasts of Yahuwah.

Polycrates, an early Christian martyr, learned from Polycarp, one of John’s disciples, to keep the feasts. When Victor sought to enforce the observance of Easter, Polycrates wrote him a letter in which he lists important Christian fathers who kept Passover, not Easter:

Therefore we keep the day undeviatingly, neither adding nor taking away, for in Asia [Minor] great luminaries sleep, and they will rise on the day of the coming of the Lord, when he shall come with glory from heaven and seek out all the saints. Such were [the apostle] Phillip. . . There is also John who lay on the Lord’s breast. . . . And there is also Polycarp at Smyrna, both bishop and martyr, and Thraseas, both bishop and martyr, from Eumenaea. . . . [Also] Sagaris,. . . .Papirius,. . . .and Melito. . . . all of these kept the fourteenth day of the Passover according to the gospel, never swerving, but following according to the rule of the faith. (Polycrates, Letter to Victor, Bishop of Rome, quoted in Eusebius’ Ecclesiastical History)

The adoption of pagan holidays was deplored by Tertullian who, around 230 AD, lamented that the Biblical feasts had been laid aside in favor of pagan festivals:

“By us who are strangers to Sabbaths, and new moons, and festivals, once acceptable to God, the Saturnalia, the feasts of January, the Brumalia, and Matronalia, are now frequented; gifts are carried to and fro, new year’s day presents are made with din, and sports and banquets are celebrated with uproar; oh, how much more faithful are the heathen to their religion, who take special care to adopt no solemnity from the Christians.” (Tertullian, De Idolatria, c. 14, Vol. I, p. 682.)

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The replacement of biblical injunctions with customs from other religions is seldom questioned today.

Yet Jesus warned that it is possible to worship God in vain by following humanly devised traditions (Matthew 15:9). Long before, God inspired Moses to command the nation of Israel not to adopt the religious customs of other nations to worship God (Deuteronomy 12:29-32).

We would be well advised to reconsider the biblical instructions regarding Passover and the Holy Days God established. Paul tell us that these festivals offer “a shadow of things to come” in God’s plan of redemption (Colossians 2:16-17). Consider the sage advice of Will Rogers: “Never tear down a fence until you find out why it was built.”

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a reply to: EasternShadow

Just proves you don't Believe what the BIBLE SAYS!

You're just another Bible corrector that has fallen away in the last days and will be here when the son of perdition makes himself known, after the gathering to Jesus into the clouds takes place.

Salvation so close yet you put it just out of reach.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
Just proves you don't Believe what the BIBLE SAYS!

I don't believe your KJV is the bible from god. God never said unicorn. He said Reem. I don't believe God speaks in Archaic English either. I don't believe god allow anyone to lie to their children telling them Santa Claus on Christmas and mythical rabbits on Easter Days. Your transgression for lying to your children is your own falling. Not mine. You are a sinner every time you give present to your children on Pagan's Holy Days. You disrespect god for all the gifts he gave to you. You lie to your children and you know it.

I believe Jesus celebrate Passover. I believe Peter and the apostles celebrate Passover. I believe Paul celebrate Passiover. I imitate Jesus' life to keep his command as he had wished. You don't.
You believe in corrupted church and corrupted scriptures.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
You're just another Bible corrector that has fallen away in the last days

I did not attempt to correct KJV translation word for God's proper name, such as "I AM THAT I AM". You did. Lol. I guess, that make you "another Bible Corrector"?

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
and will be here when the son of perdition makes himself known, after the gathering to Jesus into the clouds takes place.

Now I will use Jesus own word, since you have no respect to Paul sayings. I dare you to challenge Jesus's word.

Matthew 23:37-39
37 Jerusalem, Jerusalem! Your people have killed the prophets and have stoned the messengers who were sent to you. I have often wanted to gather your people, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings. But you wouldn’t let me. 38 And now your temple will be deserted. 39 You won’t see me again until you say,

“Blessed is the one who comes
in the name of the Lord.”

Now you lost sheep, don't expect to see your Shepard's return unless you keep his command. Start with, you shall not lie to your children.

Go ahead, prove me wrong if you dare.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
Salvation so close yet you put it just out of reach.

I know where my salvation is. Unlike you. Your salvation is at the foot of unicorn on the day of Christmas and Easter. You poor confused and lost sheep of Jesus.

John 8:21
Jesus answered, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

How is celebrating the day "our planet been the farthest from sun" the way of Jesus? You hypocrites, bible corrector yourself.