Let Chinese tell you what is "FaLun Gong"

Let Chinese tell you what is "FaLun Gong" ?
Here you go!



www.timesonline.co.uk...

//"Falun Dafa is good!" the woman screamed, as Mr Hu was making his opening remarks. "President Bush, stop him from persecuting!" Her voice was so loud that Mr Bush turned to look, appearing visibly embarrassed.

Within seconds she was led away, struggling and still crying out, by a group of uniformed White House staff.

The Falun Gong-affiliated newspaper, The Epoch Times, later identified her as Dr Wang Wenyi, a pathologist and Falun Gong practitioner based in New York. She had received a press credential through the newspaper.

Mr Bush, standing next to Mr Hu, leaned over and whispered to him: "You’re okay", indicating the Chinese leader should continue with his opening remarks. Mr Hu, who had paused briefly when the shouting began, resumed speaking.//

Living in a Canadian Chinatown, there's no problem here with Falun Gong/Falun Dafa, they practice next block and the meditation and breathing exercises are just cooling the things downtown. Truthfulness - Compassion - Tolerance is nothing wrong in my point of view. They distribute brochures nowadays explaining to everybody the
rapes , brutality, tortures in secret death camps, the thousand practicioners killed for the organ traffic... I won't post any photos here because it's too gross.

A secret concentration camp in Sujiatun, China has stockpiled thousands of Falun Gong practitioners who are being killed for their organs

for more information

www.clearwisdom.net...

www.theepochtimes.com...

I would not comment on some guys subjective judgement of who make us think "FaLun Gong" is a cult.

But here is a thing I should correct someone------"Qi Gong" is not some religion.The different between religion and "Qi Gong" is that religion is not realistic,but "Qi Gong" is realistic.Some good "Qi Gong" can make you body stronger.

Chapter 3.

The first time I know about "FaLun Gong" is when I was in junior high school.At that time,"FaLun Gong" was not banned in China.

My uncle was a "Qi Gong" lover.The story about how he met "FaLun Gong" is that one day,My aunt and My uncle were walking on the street.They met some "FaLun Gong" group was practicing.There is a "FaLun Gong" small leader give my uncle a book.The book is free,The "FaLun Gong" small leader was so eager to get my uncle into the group.My aunt describe the "FaLun Gong" group they met was like a "sell" group,who continuous selling the "FaLun Gong" to the people who stop by.And I don't know what my uncle really thinking.But a few days later,he was in the group.

With the days goes on,My uncle getting more and more given into the "FaLun Gong".He bought and collected lot's of things about the "FaLun Gong".There were books,video tapes of the "FaLun Gong" master,audio tapes of the "FaLun Gong" master........etc.

My uncle has serious arthritis problem.When my aunt ask him to go to hospital,my uncle denied.He said if he go to hospital,the sin inside his body would increase.The illness must be cured throught practice "FaLun Gong".The "FaLun Gong" master's spirit dody is everywhere which would protect his prentice.So he insist not go to the hospital.I don't know exactly about the detail.But the fact is my uncle's arthritis problem getting worse.But he still believe it is a process of getting his sin out of the body.Finally,several man in my family compel him to go to hospital by using physical force.

After that,the situation between my uncle and my aunt get worse.My uncle completely fall into the "FaLun Gong" stuff.The job,The kid,The family,All of the thing which he used to have and love was just like a trash throw out of the window.He was becoming very paranoiac.At last,my uncle and my aunt divorced.

This is the first and only time i know about "FaLun Gong" throught my real life.I was shocked,And i feel weird.Because i also have the experience of practice "Qi Gong",but none of the "Qi Gong" i practiced like "FaLun Gong".There is no "sin in your body",no "master's spirit body everywhere" in the "Qi Gong" that i used to practice.I feel really weird.

Chapter 4.

The picture below was the statistic of the people who died because of practice "FaLun Gong".


Here i will translate it for you.

The statistic of the people who died because of practice "FaLun Gong".
(till 1999.9)
The number was based on the cursory statistic from 29 provinces and main cities.There is 1404 people died because of practice "FaLun Gong".

BeiJing:59 GuangDong:72 HaiNan:20 ChongQing:80 GuiZhou:50 HeNan:88
FuJian:14 JiLin:58 JiangXi:64 AnHui:48 JiangSu:46 ShanXi:13 GanSu:9
ShanDong:192 ShangHai:13 HeBei:62 TianJing:11 YunNan:18 HeBei:66
HuNan:85 LiaoNing:87 SiChuan:87 ShanXi:17 ZheJiang:9 HeiLongJiang:82
XinJiang:22 NingXia:7 GuangXi:13 NeiMengGu:12


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Chapter 5.

The character "FaLun" is based on the term of Buddhism.In Chinese "FaLun" means magic wheel.The "FaLun Gong" can also called "FaLun DaFa".The character "Da",In Chinese means "big" or "Great",The character "Fa",In Chinese means "Magic".

So you can see,If i translate the "FaLun Gong" into english.It means "Magic Wheel Qi Gong"If i translate the "FaLun DaFa" into english.It means "Magic Wheel Great Magic".

If you don't understand the chinese culture,you would not truly understand some of the "FaLun Gong" members thought.In the chinese long history,There are lots of myth.And most of the myth is telling the people how god growed.(When i mentioned the god,it is not mean Jesus,it means Chinese culture related gods.)

For example:There is a myth tell people Sakyamuni sat under the tree of Buddha,after billions of years(I don't know the exactly number of the year),Sakyamuni become the biggest god in the world.And found the Buddhism.In chinese we often call that process is "Practice yourself".And there are not just only one god.There are bunch of god through "Practice itself" to become the god.The small god use less years,The big god use more years.

I think the "FaLun Gong" is far beyond the "Qi Gong",it started from "Qi Gong",but intend to attract more people,It elevate its role into a more higher lever.

People usually Practice "Qi Gong" as a way to stronger own body.But in "FaLun Gong",It means more.It means throught practice "FaLun Gong",you can become some sort of god.

The picture below is the LOGO of "FaLun Gong"


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Chapter 6.

There is an US media interview with the "FaLun Gong" master Li Hongzhi.You can see what is the Li Hongzhi's explaination of "FaLun Gong",then you will understand what is the "FaLun Gong" adherents thought,And what kind of person Li Hongzhi is.
I will give you the link here.
www.time.com...
www.time.com...
www.time.com...

On April 26, Erping Zhang, a close associate of Li Hongzhi, the mysterious leader of the Falun Gong religious movement, called TIME in New York to say that major events were transpiring in Beijing. "It looks as though quite a few people have shown up," he said. When we asked how many, he guessed that it might be 10,000. "But this is getting bigger," he said. "They are planning to go to the government offices." As it turned out, Zhang was correct. At least 10,000 Falun Gong members gathered in front of Zhongnanhai, the seat of China's government, to demand recognition from authorities and freedom to practice their beliefs. The demonstration appeared to indicate that Falun Gong--which may have as many as 100 million adherents worldwide, mainly in China--is tightly organized. But Zhang insists that the protest was "spontaneous."

A few weeks before the demonstration, TIME interviewed Li Hongzhi, the soft-spoken 47-year-old creator of Falun Gong, in Manhattan where he settled after leaving China a year ago. Li believes the ancient Chinese art of qigong (Falun Gong is one variation) can endow practitioners with superhuman powers. He also says the world is in chaos today because the human race has been invaded by aliens from other planets who hope to challenge mankind through scientific means, especially through human cloning. If Li's ideas seem far fetched, it is worth noting that he has fans and followers worldwide. On Oct. 11, 1996, Houston mayor Robert C. Lanier proclaimed the date to be Li Hongzhi Day. Li was interviewed in New York by TIME correspondent William Dowell. He spoke in Chinese and Zhang acted as interpreter.

Here is the interview:

TIME: How does Falun Gong differ from other types of qigong?
Li: There are different practices of qigong in China and in other countries, but they are primarily aimed at healing illnesses or keeping fit and maintaining good health. I am teaching a higher level of qigong. It encompasses a greater content. It is like the Tao, which is known in the Western world.

TIME: And this expresses an inner energy?
Li: You probably know that some people have supernormal capabilities. They are unique capabilities that are created during the course of the cultivation practice. In order to reach a higher level, we require people to reach the perfection or completion of cultivation. In Chinese we call this attaining the Tao.

TIME: In your book [Zhuan Falun] you talk about people levitating off the ground but you say that they should not show other people. Why is that?
Li: It is the same principle that Western gods in paradise should not be seen by ordinary mortals because they cannot understand its meaning.

TIME: Have you seen human beings levitate off the ground?
Li: I have known too many.

TIME: Can you describe any that you have known?
Li: David Copperfield. He can levitate and he did it during performances.

TIME: You have said that this type of qigong should not be used to cure illness. Why is that?
Li: Healing illnesses belongs to the lower level of qigong. A person with an illness cannot practice to a higher level. One has to purify one's body in order to have gong. Healing and fitness are for laying a foundation at a lower level of practice.

TIME: Would you use qigong to cure an illness?
Li: I can do all of this, but I won't do it.

Chapter 7.

Here i will continue post the interview.

TIME: Why not?
Li: Because I only teach people how to learn this dafa [great law] and to practice cultivation. I only teach the principles of fa to mankind. I won't do anything else.

TIME: What is the final goal?
Li: The ultimate purpose is to enable people to attain the Tao and to complete their cultivation practice. In the end they can free themselves from the worldly state. I know that human lives are not created from the dimension that human beings think they know.

TIME: Why does the master reveal this path to the qigong now?
Li: Mankind has many things that it never knew before. What I can tell you is that human moral values are no longer good. In the course of the cultivation practice, one can upgrade oneself. Many people will be able to complete their cultivation and attain the Tao. There will be some who will not be able to complete cultivation but will become very good people.

TIME: Why did you come to New York?
Li: In China, the government is a centralized government. Because the number of our practitioners is large, the government may feel pressure.

TIME: It is difficult to teach in China?
Li: In China, there are more than 100 million who practice this. The official estimate of the number of practitioners is 60 million. I want to teach people to be good and not to be involved in politics. I told people not to get involved in political events to make sure that they have a very good practice in their environment without interference.

TIME: So why is the Chinese government concerned?
Li: America is a country with democracy. You probably don't understand what it is like in a country that has a centralized government. The Chinese government knows that what I am teaching is good and that I am teaching people to have high moral values. They are only concerned because there are so many people practicing cultivation.

TIME: When did you learn about qigong?
Li: I started to learn when I was four years old. I was very young, and my teachers taught me aspects that were very simple.

TIME: Who were your teachers?
Li: I do not wish to have their names known. I had masters in two schools. Prior to the Cultural Revolution people enjoyed quite a bit of religious freedom. Chinese were quite used to such things. It was like going to church in the West.

TIME: When did you start teaching?
Li: I am more than 40 years old, and I have been practicing qigong for many years. When qigong became popular, I did not come out in the public. I did not want to teach about stopping illnesses or keeping fit.

TIME: What made you finally come out?
Li: When these masters asked me to come out. At the time I said that there were too many people practicing qigong, and I said that I did not want to cure illnesses or to help people keep fit. They said, "What you do will be different. These people who are teaching how to cure illnesses and teaching fitness, are paving the road for your coming out."

TIME: Where were these masters?
Li: They were in the mountains.

TIME: How did the movement spread?
Li: Many people practice qigong in China. They all want to practice it to the higher levels, but no one was teaching them. They all wanted me to teach them. Some people organized the events and applied to the government for approval.

TIME: When did you decide to come to America?
Li: I came here last year, and I started the application the year before that.

TIME: Did you feel you were in danger in China?
Li: The government did not express a clear position, but the security ministries felt that there were too many people practicing. When we tried to hold meetings, they did not approve them because they felt there were too many people.

TIME: What is the wheel that is Falun?
Li: It is a pattern, or a symbol on the surface. What it is inside is much better.

Chapter 8.

......Here i will continue post the interview.

TIME: So it is an idea?
Li: In the West, the spirit is separate from the body. In the East these are things that are very real and concrete.

TIME: You talk about placing the wheel into the body.
Li: I can use my mind to direct and order things to happen.

TIME: Is cultivation achieved through mental effort or physical exercise.
Li: Both are needed.

TIME: What happens after one attains the Tao?
Li: We have all heard about the Chinese deities. When one completes cultivation, one has special powers.

TIME: Can qigong prevent death?
Li: In the West, one can reach paradise through cultivation practice after death. In the East, one can achieve a divine status through cultivation practice while one is still alive.

TIME: You talk about the period of the end of Dharma.
Li: While Buddha Sakyamuni [563-483 B.C.] was teaching his Dharma, there was no written language so the Dharma was passed by word of mouth. After 500 years, human discourse changed Buddha Sakyamuni's original words and it came to an end. The ending of the Dharma means that the cultivation method began to become chaotic and could no longer enable people to practice cultivation.

TIME: Why does chaos reign now?
Li: Of course there is not just one reason. The biggest cause of society's change today is that people no longer believe in orthodox religion. They go to church, but they no longer believe in God. They feel free to do anything. The second reason is that since the beginning of this century, aliens have begun to invade the human mind and its ideology and culture.

TIME: Where do they come from?
Li: The aliens come from other planets. The names that I use for these planets are different . Some are from dimensions that human beings have not yet discovered. The key is how they have corrupted mankind. Everyone knows that from the beginning until now, there has never been a development of culture like today. Although it has been several thousand years, it has never been like now.

The aliens have introduced modern machinery like computers and airplanes. They started by teaching mankind about modern science, so people believe more and more science, and spiritually, they are controlled. Everyone thinks that scientists invent on their own when in fact their inspiration is manipulated by the aliens. In terms of culture and spirit, they already control man. Mankind cannot live without science.

The ultimate purpose is to replace humans. If cloning human beings succeeds, the aliens can officially replace humans. Why does a corpse lie dead, even though it is the same as a living body? The difference is the soul, which is the life of the body. If people reproduce a human person, the gods in heaven will not give its body a human soul. The aliens will take that opportunity to replace the human soul and by doing so they will enter earth and become earthlings.

When such people grow up, they will help replace humans with aliens. They will produce more and more clones. There will no longer be humans reproduced by humans. They will act like humans, but they will introduce legislation to stop human reproduction.

TIME: Are you a human being?
Li: You can think of me as a human being.

TIME: Are you from earth?
Li: I don't wish to talk about myself at a higher level. People wouldn't understand it.

TIME: What are the aliens after?
Li: The aliens use many methods to keep people from freeing themselves from manipulation. They make earthlings have wars and conflicts, and develop weapons using science, which makes mankind more dependent on advanced science and technology. In this way, the aliens will be able to introduce their stuff and make the preparations for replacing human beings. The military industry leads other industries such as computers and electronics.

Chapter 9.

......Here i will continue post the interview.

TIME: But what is the alien purpose?
Li: The human body is the most perfect in the universe. It is the most perfect form. The aliens want the human body.

TIME: What do aliens look like?
Li: Some look similar to human beings. U.S. technology has already detected some aliens. The difference between aliens can be quite enormous.

TIME: Can you describe it?
Li: You don't want to have that kind of thought in your mind.

TIME: Describe them anyway.
Li: One type looks like a human, but has a nose that is made of bone. Others look like ghosts. At first they thought that I was trying to help them. Now they now that I am sweeping them away.,

TIME: How do you see the future?
Li: Future human society is quite terrifying. If aliens are not to replace human beings, society will destroy itself on its own. Industry is creating invisible air pollution. The microparticles in the air harm human beings. The abnormality in the climate today is caused by that [pollution], and it cannot be remedied by humans alone. The drinking water is polluted. No matter how we try to purify it, it cannot return to its original purity. Modern science cannot determine the extent of the damage. The food we eat is the product of fertilized soil. The meat we eat is affected. I can foresee a future when human limbs become deformed, the body's joints won't move and internal organs will become dysfunctional. Modern science hasn't realized this yet.

At the beginning you asked why I did such things. I only tell practitioners, but not the public because they cannot comprehend it. I am trying to save those people who can return to a high level and to a high moral level. Modern science does not understand this, so governments can do nothing. The only person in the entire world who knows this is myself alone.

I am not against the public knowing, but I am teaching practitioners. Even though the public knows, it cannot do anything about it. People can't free themselves from science and from their concepts. I am not against science. I am only telling mankind the truth. I drive a car. I also live in the environment. Don't believe that I am against science. But I know that modern science is destroying mankind. Aliens have already constructed a layer of cells in human beings. The development of computers dictates this layer of body cells to control human culture and spirituality and in the end to replace human beings.

The USA government and some anti-China power trying to make people believe that "FaLun Gong" is a respectful religion,trying to make people believe China is persecuting "FaLun GOng",they using "FaLun Gong" as a political chess to anti China.they trying to make people believe if some Chinese citizen call "FaLun Gong" is cult,that Chinese citizen must be brainwashed,but unfortunately,seems the one who has been brainwashed was not Chinese.I hope American people can know more about China,Not just listen to the ideology propagandize

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I believe that the incidents of self-immolation were a operation by the CCP to demonize FLG to the Chinese citizens.

Booya, that would fit.

Originally posted by shirasiyu330

I believe that the incidents of self-immolation were a operation by the CCP to demonize FLG to the Chinese citizens.

Booya, that would fit.

prove it.

Chapter 10.

After the introduction above.You may understand the behavior of the "FaLun Gong" members.

Some of the picture may bloody.So I would not post here.But i will give you the link.If you like,you can see it.

The picture below is the suicide picture of "FaLun Gong" member.The man's name is Ma Jiangmin.A retired worker in the oil company.After Practice "FaLun Gong",He always feel there is a wheel in his bingy.So he cut his bingy to find the wheel.When he died,he was 54 years old.

The picture below is the suicide picture of "FaLun Gong" member.The man's name is Zhang Jian.An engineer in chemical company.He start pratice "FaLun Gong" in 1999.1.After he practice "FaLun Gong",He always stay in his room,never come out.In 1999.2.16,The man jump from veranda.(his family lived in 4th floor).When he died,he was 36 years old.

The picture below is the woman who practice "FaLun Gong".The woman's name is Liu Fengqin.retired from a produce company.she always thinking she has some superpower.after she hit by a car.she refuse to go to hospital.so her state of an illness get worse.she died in the 1997.12.27.when she die.she is muttering,"master Li save me,master Li save me.!!




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The supernatural powers attributed to qi gong brings to mind some of the Chinese influence in cultural entertainment. Specifically the 2000 movie, Crouching Tiger, Sleeping Dragon, all the jumping and flying thru air:

The fantasy aspect of the film comes into play whenever the three protagonists fight. They possess seemingly magical powers, literally vaulting across roofs, running up walls, and moving with superhuman ease. These powers are explained in the movie only by the protagonists' training and secret knowledge of the Wudang school of martial arts. This aspect of the film, which is characteristic in the wuxia film genre, also lends itself to frequent parody.

Directed by Ang Lee (Brokeback Mountain). Hollyweird sending more messages?

The next thing this correlates to is Joseph Smith and the Latter Day Saints--Mormonism in the USA. Only instead of a cadre of Prophets leading their people to the Promised Land, it seems that Li plays to what Lenin would have charitably described as “bourgeois intelligenti”, or less charitably as “useful idiots”. With money.

Li is a visionary in the sense that China is ripe for Capitalism since so much is offshored there, and yes this is a threat to the government--while they profit from it now. 100 million in just over a decade would make Brigham Young proud.

The hog wash about aliens tells me that he's just another kook. But anything connected to spirituality and has this kind of organization can be considered religion. Li says so himself in the articles.

And religious freedom is a human right not to be oppressed. With that, Li's pretty much got them over a barrel. Has he even been to Utah, I wonder? Charismatic leaders who emerge on the worldwide religious stage need serious scrutiny, imho.

Falun Gong - tastes like chicken - right. Is it served with rice?

prove it.

did ya know that here in america, doctors, misdiagnosis, and medications are the third leading cause of death?? at least for some people, going to the doctor can kill ya!!

okay, I admit, I didnt read everything you have posted, lack of computer time. but well, just what have these people done that has harmed other people, society, or threatened the security of the nation of China. I'll admit, if they have done any of these things, well, then maybe something should be done, but if you consider someone denying medical care as a reason, well.....I would disagree. same with conning people into wasting money, unless you can point to some evidence that it is blatant fraud.

and even if any of this is going on, well.....I'll stand against torture, and using people for slave labor no matter what country I believe is doing such things. I've spoken out against my own government concerning this, and I will China. and I will also boycott companies that I find profiting from the exploitation of people in this manner. no matter what a person has done, they don't deserve such treatment. sorry.

By appealing to the intelligensia crowd, Li is also using narcissim to his advantage. He knows where to find them (and they have money), and those poor folks are already suffering a disorder of the psyche, so much easier to control.

Narcissism, Culture, and Society



Li has put together an almost fool-proof scam (if you ask me), levitating helps bring in the crowds. Then he gives them the message, and it may not be all that bad--Tolerance is certainly good. But aliens...??? C'mon, deny ignorance.

Tell me, did your uncle ever seem very self-centered to you? You can google that, Zhangii, Narcissism, if your country allows it.

Keep telling your story, it's fascinating and I'm enjoying this thread. Learning about cultures is a hobby of mine, and a deep interest to my son who is a college history major--(like we need more of them?). He's attracted to religions and I think a bit of a narcissist himself. Not such a good combination in my estimation obviously, but I like the fact that he applies himself to the study. Keep posting and practicing your skills. Agent or not, we need to cross these barriers and get to the heart of the matter.

I believe it's economics. Follow the money, then see how many 'religions' practice what they preach.


Concerning his secret answer to the essence of life. Could it be the air that we breathe? That ignites the god spark in us all as we continue the circle? If it is, the people living in congested areas are sure to be doomed.

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my speech is not finish yet.

I already told you,I'm a lazy person.Maybe i will continue my speech later!

well,you guys reply give me support.

At least there is someone looking at my thread.lol

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Tell me, did your uncle ever seem very self-centered to you? You can google that, Zhangii, Narcissism, if your country allows it.

Well,in my opinion,My uncle seem very Master-centered.He think the master is the greatest god in the universe.He totally fall into the "FaLun Gong" stuff.
And my country does have some kind of free of religion.My country's law forbid spread "FaLun Gong",but talk about "FaLun Gong" or some other issue.... come on,don't just listen to the US media.

Keep telling your story, it's fascinating and I'm enjoying this thread. Learning about cultures is a hobby of mine, and a deep interest to my son who is a college history major--(like we need more of them?). He's attracted to religions and I think a bit of a narcissist himself. Not such a good combination in my estimation obviously, but I like the fact that he applies himself to the study. Keep posting and practicing your skills. Agent or not, we need to cross these barriers and get to the heart of the matter.

well,if your son is researching the religion.I may say it is very good for him to focus on his study.I think it's different between religion adherents and religion researcher.

Concerning his secret answer to the essence of life. Could it be the air that we breathe? That ignites the god spark in us all as we continue the circle? If it is, the people living in congested areas are sure to be doomed.

well,I don't exactly know Li Hongzhi's definition of life.But in the Chinese "Qi Gong",you can controll the air you breathe,the air in your body.I don't know the science principium support on it.but it is true.it's not religion,you can compare it to yoga.I think Li Hongzhi's "FaLun Gong" is far from "Qi Gong".

That ignites the god spark in us all as we continue the circle? If it is, the people living in congested areas are sure to be doomed.

you are right,practice "FaLun Gong",you can become some sort of god.
But i don't understand "we continue the circle".my poor english.

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